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1a.

Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Was

Posted by: "christopher.annon@yahoo.com" christopher.annon@yahoo.com   christopher.annon

Sat Mar 3, 2012 6:06 am (PST)



Many Blessings!

My question is... Why all the hate? Just because the Christian don't live up to their beliefs doesn't mean we must lower our selves to their level. I'm a Pagan and damn proud of it! I really have never been in the "broom closet" because I am who I am. You don't have to believe my way and I'm cool with that. If they threaten me, I quickly make them look at their own beliefs, the "golden rule", the 10 commandments and other parts of the Bible.
Bashing, threatening, or harming in any way is against Christian, Pagan, Hindu, Muslim, Heathen, or Buddhist beliefs and should not be tolerated by anyone. Good Christian don't beat women just like Bad Pagans do. Its not the belief but the believer.
If you look at our myths, there was a lot of incest, slavery and womanizing going on. My very own Patron, Hades, kidnapped his niece (which was a product of incest) and made her his wife (which he also cheated on more than once). This does not mean that I'm going to run around on my wife, or have sex with my sister, daughter or niece. Back then, that was the way of life but not now.
So now in the words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?" If we as Pagans bash Christians, we are no better than them.
Much love and blessings
Chris
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@earthlink.net>
Sender: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:03:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
To: <which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates
Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?

Karen, you know that I support you and what you post here 100%. If you decided to drop the group, please let me know because I will be following you. I, too, and tired of the people on this list that don't care to support their own ideas, the ideas of Paganism and Witchcraft. At this particular time, with the Right Wingnut Republicans doing everything to put the unions, women, the poor, those that need healthcare and more into a feudal society where we are the slaves and they, the 1% are the masters, it is more important that we wake up and take up the struggle for our freedom.
Very Sincerely, B*B, Don


-----Original Message-----
>From: karentate108 <karentate108@ca.rr.com>
>Sent: Mar 1, 2012 9:52 AM
>To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?
>
>To the List,
>Am I wasting my time bringing notices of noted pagans, theologians and
>scholars to this list? Seriously. I can't quite figure this list out.
>
>You're supposed to be Pagan I presume by the title, but when ever I've
>brought to light discussions about how Christianity thwarts women, or
>now, having listed my last show where I've interviewed noted Progressive
>Christians who cite how Christian language abuses women and promotes
>male domination - well, that's got characterized as being associated
>with politics - by the guy who told me once he didn't care the Bible
>gave men license to abuse women. What's really with this group? Are
>you really Evangelical Christians?
>
>Does anyone actually ever listen to what these scholars I have on my
>show have to say so you can make a judgement if you might want to learn
>from their knowledge and experience? Or am I wasting my time here?
>
>Please tell me - would you rather I not post here because if what I'm
>trying to provide the public isn't appreciated here, if you could care
>less about what these Pagan and Progressive Christian scholars have to
>say, I won't post here anymore.
>
>I await your feedback - and no, Grambadger's comments don't really count.
>
>Karen
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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1b.

Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Was

Posted by: "Dame Kitty" mdkbic@gmail.com   butimcute101

Sat Mar 3, 2012 7:06 am (PST)



I want to follow the links you post, but idk if I can on my phone, which is
why I don't comment. I was raised christian, and though I've chosen a pagan
path, I don't like to judge people by my standards because not everyone was
raised with them. Do I approve of people abusing their spouses? Absolutly
not. Male, female, does not matter. Verbally degrading someone is abuse.
I've seen it in action, from male to female and from female to male. All I
can do right now is refuse to let it happen happen to me, and encourage the
abused to seek help. -Deardre
On Mar 1, 2012 10:52 AM, "karentate108" <karentate108@ca.rr.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> To the List,
> Am I wasting my time bringing notices of noted pagans, theologians and
> scholars to this list? Seriously. I can't quite figure this list out.
>
> You're supposed to be Pagan I presume by the title, but when ever I've
> brought to light discussions about how Christianity thwarts women, or
> now, having listed my last show where I've interviewed noted Progressive
> Christians who cite how Christian language abuses women and promotes
> male domination - well, that's got characterized as being associated
> with politics - by the guy who told me once he didn't care the Bible
> gave men license to abuse women. What's really with this group? Are
> you really Evangelical Christians?
>
> Does anyone actually ever listen to what these scholars I have on my
> show have to say so you can make a judgement if you might want to learn
> from their knowledge and experience? Or am I wasting my time here?
>
> Please tell me - would you rather I not post here because if what I'm
> trying to provide the public isn't appreciated here, if you could care
> less about what these Pagan and Progressive Christian scholars have to
> say, I won't post here anymore.
>
> I await your feedback - and no, Grambadger's comments don't really count.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
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1c.

Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Was

Posted by: "Heather Darnell" despoenas_readings@yahoo.com   despoenas_readings

Sat Mar 3, 2012 9:14 am (PST)



Karen,
 
Apparently I missed something. The last time I looked the list sends out information for one to use as one needs. Are you an owner/moderator for this list? Was their an argument I overlooked? Is it that you feel that you aren't being heard, ignored or that peope have openly disagreed with you? Not eactly sure what your complaint is... if people simply aren't responding or are in open disagreement that what you are posting, that is their right. It is an open forum, and you cannot not expect everyone to be on your side, to pay attention to you or to validate you. There are as many opposing viewpoints in Paganism as the world provides especially on a list with over 1000 people. Some are liberal, some are conservative.
 
I agree, there IS an issue with the republican regime attempting to undermine women's reproductive rights, one I am none too happy about. This is clearly a subject that you are passionate about. Perhaps you should let the information that you are presenting reach the people it needs to reach and leave it at that. Sometimes people have to reach certain truths in their own time, myself included. So no, I don't think anyone is wasting their times when trying to educate others on another viewpoint, we just can't expect everyone to get on board.
 
Peace,
Heather

"Love is the ultimate outlaw. It just won't adhere to any rules. The most any of us can do is to sign on as its accomplice. Instead of vowing to honor and obey, maybe we should swear to aid and abet. That would mean that security is out of the question. The words "make" and "stay" become inappropriate. My love for you has no strings attached. I love you for free." ~ Tom Robbins
 

________________________________
From: "christopher.annon@yahoo.com" <christopher.annon@yahoo.com>
To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?


 

Many Blessings!

My question is... Why all the hate? Just because the Christian don't live up to their beliefs doesn't mean we must lower our selves to their level. I'm a Pagan and damn proud of it! I really have never been in the "broom closet" because I am who I am. You don't have to believe my way and I'm cool with that. If they threaten me, I quickly make them look at their own beliefs, the "golden rule", the 10 commandments and other parts of the Bible.
Bashing, threatening, or harming in any way is against Christian, Pagan, Hindu, Muslim, Heathen, or Buddhist beliefs and should not be tolerated by anyone. Good Christian don't beat women just like Bad Pagans do. Its not the belief but the believer.
If you look at our myths, there was a lot of incest, slavery and womanizing going on. My very own Patron, Hades, kidnapped his niece (which was a product of incest) and made her his wife (which he also cheated on more than once). This does
not mean that I'm going to run around on my wife, or have sex with my sister, daughter or niece. Back then, that was the way of life but not now.
So now in the words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?" If we as Pagans bash Christians, we are no better than them.
Much love and blessings
Chris
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

________________________________

From: Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@earthlink.net>
Sender: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:03:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
To: <which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?
 
Karen, you know that I support you and what you post here 100%. If you decided to drop the group, please let me know because I will be following you. I, too, and tired of the people on this list that don't care to support their own ideas, the ideas of Paganism and Witchcraft. At this particular time, with the Right Wingnut Republicans doing everything to put the unions, women, the poor, those that need healthcare and more into a feudal society where we are the slaves and they, the 1% are the masters, it is more important that we wake up and take up the struggle for our freedom.
Very Sincerely, B*B, Don

-----Original Message-----
>From: karentate108 <karentate108@ca.rr.com>
>Sent: Mar 1, 2012 9:52 AM
>To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?
>
>To the List,
>Am I wasting my time bringing notices of noted pagans, theologians and
>scholars to this list? Seriously. I can't quite figure this list out.
>
>You're supposed to be Pagan I presume by the title, but when ever I've
>brought to light discussions about how Christianity thwarts women, or
>now, having listed my last show where I've interviewed noted Progressive
>Christians who cite how Christian language abuses women and promotes
>male domination - well, that's got characterized as being associated
>with politics - by the guy who told me once he didn't care the Bible
>gave men license to abuse women. What's really with this group? Are
>you really Evangelical Christians?
>
>Does anyone actually ever listen to what these scholars I have on my
>show have to say so you can make a judgement if you might want to learn
>from their knowledge and experience? Or am I wasting my time here?
>
>Please tell me - would you rather I not post here because if what I'm
>trying to provide the public isn't appreciated here, if you could care
>less about what these Pagan and Progressive Christian scholars have to
>say, I won't post here anymore.
>
>I await your feedback - and no, Grambadger's comments don't really count.
>
>Karen
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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1d.

Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Was

Posted by: "Heather" despoenas_readings@yahoo.com   despoenas_readings

Sat Mar 3, 2012 9:58 am (PST)



Apparently I did NOT get the entire thread. Looks like Grambadger's remark was pretty ignorable.

Peace,
Heather

--- In which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com, Heather Darnell <despoenas_readings@...> wrote:
>
> Karen,
>  
> Apparently I missed something. The last time I looked the list sends out information for one to use as one needs. Are you an owner/moderator for this list? Was their an argument I overlooked? Is it that you feel that you aren't being heard, ignored or that peope have openly disagreed with you? Not eactly sure what your complaint is... if people simply aren't responding or are in open disagreement that what you are posting, that is their right. It is an open forum, and you cannot not expect everyone to be on your side, to pay attention to you or to validate you. There are as many opposing viewpoints in Paganism as the world provides especially on a list with over 1000 people. Some are liberal, some are conservative.
>  
> I agree, there IS an issue with the republican regime attempting to undermine women's reproductive rights, one I am none too happy about. This is clearly a subject that you are passionate about. Perhaps you should let the information that you are presenting reach the people it needs to reach and leave it at that. Sometimes people have to reach certain truths in their own time, myself included. So no, I don't think anyone is wasting their times when trying to educate others on another viewpoint, we just can't expect everyone to get on board.
>  
> Peace,
> Heather
>
> “Love is the ultimate outlaw. It just won't adhere to any rules. The most any of us can do is to sign on as its accomplice. Instead of vowing to honor and obey, maybe we should swear to aid and abet. That would mean that security is out of the question. The words "make" and "stay" become inappropriate. My love for you has no strings attached. I love you for free.” ~ Tom Robbins
>  
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "christopher.annon@..." <christopher.annon@...>
> To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?
>
>
>  
>
> Many Blessings!
>
> My question is... Why all the hate? Just because the Christian don't live up to their beliefs doesn't mean we must lower our selves to their level. I'm a Pagan and damn proud of it! I really have never been in the "broom closet" because I am who I am. You don't have to believe my way and I'm cool with that. If they threaten me, I quickly make them look at their own beliefs, the "golden rule", the 10 commandments and other parts of the Bible.
> Bashing, threatening, or harming in any way is against Christian, Pagan, Hindu, Muslim, Heathen, or Buddhist beliefs and should not be tolerated by anyone. Good Christian don't beat women just like Bad Pagans do. Its not the belief but the believer.
> If you look at our myths, there was a lot of incest, slavery and womanizing going on. My very own Patron, Hades, kidnapped his niece (which was a product of incest) and made her his wife (which he also cheated on more than once). This does
> not mean that I'm going to run around on my wife, or have sex with my sister, daughter or niece. Back then, that was the way of life but not now.
> So now in the words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?" If we as Pagans bash Christians, we are no better than them.
> Much love and blessings
> Chris
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@...>
> Sender: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:03:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
> To: <which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com>
> ReplyTo: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?
>  
> Karen, you know that I support you and what you post here 100%. If you decided to drop the group, please let me know because I will be following you. I, too, and tired of the people on this list that don't care to support their own ideas, the ideas of Paganism and Witchcraft. At this particular time, with the Right Wingnut Republicans doing everything to put the unions, women, the poor, those that need healthcare and more into a feudal society where we are the slaves and they, the 1% are the masters, it is more important that we wake up and take up the struggle for our freedom.
> Very Sincerely, B*B, Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: karentate108 <karentate108@...>
> >Sent: Mar 1, 2012 9:52 AM
> >To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [which_witch_is_witch] Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers - Am I Wasting My Time?
> >
> >To the List,
> >Am I wasting my time bringing notices of noted pagans, theologians and
> >scholars to this list? Seriously. I can't quite figure this list out.
> >
> >You're supposed to be Pagan I presume by the title, but when ever I've
> >brought to light discussions about how Christianity thwarts women, or
> >now, having listed my last show where I've interviewed noted Progressive
> >Christians who cite how Christian language abuses women and promotes
> >male domination - well, that's got characterized as being associated
> >with politics - by the guy who told me once he didn't care the Bible
> >gave men license to abuse women. What's really with this group? Are
> >you really Evangelical Christians?
> >
> >Does anyone actually ever listen to what these scholars I have on my
> >show have to say so you can make a judgement if you might want to learn
> >from their knowledge and experience? Or am I wasting my time here?
> >
> >Please tell me - would you rather I not post here because if what I'm
> >trying to provide the public isn't appreciated here, if you could care
> >less about what these Pagan and Progressive Christian scholars have to
> >say, I won't post here anymore.
> >
> >I await your feedback - and no, Grambadger's comments don't really count.
> >
> >Karen
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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2a.

Re: tornados

Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com   enigma9363

Sat Mar 3, 2012 7:03 am (PST)



We send you positive thoughts......stay safe.

Lori B

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Peter Owlett <wyrdwynd69@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> we have had a horid disaster in our area, both in indianna and kentucky as
> a massive tornado outbreak happened today.... were are 30 mile from the
> center of the devastation..several struck near us and we saw two in the sky
>
>
>

--
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Re: tornados

Posted by: "Peter Owlett" wyrdwynd69@yahoo.com   wyrdwynd69

Sat Mar 3, 2012 7:48 am (PST)



we live in one of the outskirt commuinities of louisville but tornados did come our way but chose to not stay down for than a couple of seconds o to a minute...frther out where the heres less hills was where the devestation happened

________________________________
From: Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] tornados


 
We send you positive thoughts......stay safe.
 
Lori B

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Peter Owlett <wyrdwynd69@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
>we have had a horid disaster in our area, both in indianna and kentucky as a massive tornado outbreak happened today.... were are 30 mile from the center of the devastation..several struck near us and we saw two in the sky
>
>

--
Lori B

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NEW JERSEY PAGANS IS THE CENTER OF IT ALL...COME AND CHECK IT OUT!

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM   chic0411

Sat Mar 3, 2012 7:41 am (PST)



REMINDER....AS MUCH AS IT'S GREAT THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE LOTS OF WONDERFUL PAGES AND GROUPS...NJ Pagans was made for everyone to come to ONE PLACE to make
it easier to see everything going on at once instead of bouncing around
and missing out on things because there is WAY TO MANY GROUPS TO FOLLOW
UP ON....Anyone that has things going on in the Pagan Community, NJ or
Tri state Area, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE
OUR PAGE AND GROUPS FOR LOCATIONS, TO GET YOUR WORDS OUT WHERE YOU ARE,
WHAT YOUR DOING, ECT....NJ Pagans has been and always will be the
LARGEST GROUPS WITH PAGAN INFO IN OUR AREA...

STOP IN, INVITE YOUR FRIENDS, AND SHARE AND KEEP IT FLOWING!

We have had a great thing going for 9 years, lets stick together and
keep our contact with one another, come in and help daily with posting
fun things up, daily astrology, readings, links, photos, most important
your meets and events...as well as stores....

WE DON'T ACCEPT
THOUGH OTHER LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS POSTING IN AND TAKING FROM NJ
PAGANS.....RESPECT THE PAGE AND USE IT FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE...we have
been here for years, NJ pagans is your Page and Group so treat her like
it's your own!Like ·
 
Cher
New_Jersey_Pagans...Come in and Chat with us!

Main Yahoo Group NJP:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/New_Jersey_Pagans/
Ning Web NJP:  http://njpagans.ning.com/
Myspace NJP:   http://www.myspace.com/njp_cher
FB Page NJP:    http://www.facebook.com/#!/NJPagans
FB Group NJP:  http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?ref=sb#/group.php?gid=93725735017
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Re: Xtian Language Perpetuates Abuse/Liberating Ministers -

Posted by: "karentate108" karentate108@ca.rr.com   specialjourn

Sat Mar 3, 2012 1:04 pm (PST)



Thanks Katrina and Don.

I'll go ahead and keep posting guests for my show here then I guess.

And I INVITE YOU AND ANYONE ELSE HERE TO MY FACEBOOK PAGE where we can
more easily talk about what's going on in the world without people
getting bent out of shape when we talk about REALITY!

As you so rightly said Don, too many Pagans aren't really awake or
standing up to protect themselves. They whine they don't like politics
- well, it might not be pretty or fun, but politics shape our future!
They should google the DC 40 and things Newt Gingrich has said about
pagans. Google the Evangelical Quiverful Movement and Dominionist
Christianity. Santorum has basically said he's for a theocracy - where
do they think that would leave pagans! Pagans are already discriminated
against. Ever hear of the Lady Liberty League or Patrick McCollum's
fight for Pagan rights?

Karen

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