Messages In This Digest (13 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Tim Hartridge
- 1b.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Deb
- 1c.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Ozpagan
- 1d.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Brock Ulfsen
- 1e.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Annie44merlin
- 1f.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Torza
- 1g.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Brock Ulfsen
- 1h.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Deb
- 1i.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Deb
- 1j.
- Re: Pagans care about animals From: Brock Ulfsen
- 2.1.
- Hello From: deanryanbarnes
- 3a.
- Animal souls From: Tim Hartridge
- 3b.
- Re: Animal souls From: Deb
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com wwwozpagancom
Sat Jan 8, 2011 5:01 am (PST)
On 08/01/2011, at 10:24 PM, Ken Howard wrote:
> I won't enter into any battle here as to what is right and what is
> wrong in this particular scenario, or what you decide to publish on
> this group.
> However, I do wonder what, if any, relevance it has to Paganism in
> general, and Australian Paganism in particular!
Hi ya Ken,
err.. do you mean I shouldn't reply? Oh well, this is must be me 'not
really' replying... ;-)
Animals are fundamental to Pagans and Paganism. What witch doesn't
have a familiar (pet or spirit)? What shaman doesn't have animal
allies, or pagan tribe 'not have' a totem animal?
What Aussie sporting team does 'not have' an animal mascot (real or
imaginary)? Our Australian Coat-of-Arms tells us that we Aussies have
the Kangaroo and Emu as animal souls at a national level.
I can't think that any pagan could condone a lack of respect for
life, or the behaviour of bureaucrats in the treatment of this
particular animal. (Check-out Lennox's living conditions in his
concrete approximately one metre square.)
A little background information to my involvement: my partner Tori, a
passionate animal lover, drew my attention to the plight of Lennox. I
suggested she use our social networks to help raise awareness.
This is not actually the first time we have done this sort
networking. Eg, when we raised awareness about the cruelty of live-
skinning of cats and dogs for the Chinese fur trade, we addressed the
practice via the WitchesWorkshop collective social networks. The
feedback was positive and supportive.
But I digress. Ken, if our community can offer a simple email to few
bureaucrats and that helps raise awareness and make a difference,
then I invite you to have go.
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Deb" universalpeace2005@yahoo.com.au darklymystifying
Sat Jan 8, 2011 4:17 pm (PST)
Merry Meet Tim and Tori
I will. I can't tolerate injustices against animals. They suffer substantial
abuse at the hands of humans.
seems the senior dog warden does not like dogs, and is abusing the authority and
power they have been given.
A simple test at the vet will prove if he is a pit bull or not. (If only to
stop Lennox and his owners being harrassed) I really feel so sad for pits.
What they were bred for is just so sick and twisted. The breeders are the ones
who should be locked away.
The warden had no right to take a dog from it's home simply because of a
measurement, and without absolute proof, also some sort of written form stating
banned breeds. How can a law be that perverted? If none of this was done..the
warden had no right.
Pit bulls are banned in some countries. But no one seems to care about their
plight
or the reason they were bred initially, let alone stopping the people who breed
dogs for their insane enjoyment. It is heartbreaking.
_____________________ _________ __
From: Ozpagan <ozpagan@ozpagan.com >
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 4:21:09 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagans care about animals
Lennox is an American Bull dog cross. On the 19th May 2010 he was taken from his
loving home by Belfast City Council Dog Wardens simply because he was measured
with a dress makers tape measure and deemed to be of a "Pit Bull Type" breed.
Please show that pagans care about animals by reading the details on the FB page
and home website below:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Save-Lennox/ 126654624030908? ref=ts
How can you help?
You can write a complaint to the Belfast City Council and complain like hell.
complaints@belfastcity.gov.uk
dogwardens@belfastcity.gov.uk
lightfoots@belfastcity.gov.uk
wylies@belfastcity.gov.uk
mcnaneyp@belfastcity.gov.uk
In particular you might address the Senior Dog Warden, Yolanda Elwood to offer
any good reason why Lenox should not released immediately.
<elwoody@belfastcity.gov.uk >
Please CC your email to: info@savelennox.co.uk
There are more stories on the home website.
http://www.savelennox.co.uk/
vinum sabbati,
Tim & Tori
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Ozpagan" ozpagan@ozpagan.com wwwozpagancom
Sat Jan 8, 2011 5:23 pm (PST)
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Deb <universalpeace2005com @...> wrote:
>
> Merry Meet Tim and Tori
> I will. I can't tolerate injustices against animals. They suffer substantial
> abuse at the hands of humans.
>
> seems the senior dog warden does not like dogs, and is abusing the authority and
> power they have been given.
> A simple test at the vet will prove if he is a pit bull or not. (If only to
> stop Lennox and his owners being harrassed)
That's good advice - thanks Deb.
Tori wrote the following update to our original Facebook link:
"Local Belfast MP Sammy Wilson has shown his support for Lennox by writing a piece for the paper:
http://www.facebook.com/l/2a96d; politicsni. files.wordpress. com/2010/ 11/lennox1. jpg
I feel very strongly about this issue - even though it's not on my doorstep, Queensland's laws are similar to Northern Irelands, so this could well have happened here. I strongly urge anyone who feels passionately about their animal familiars to show their support by writing directly to Belfast City Council.
There are even some letter templates at:
http://www.facebook.com/l/2a96d; "www.savelennox. co.uk.
Deb wrote:
>I really feel so sad for pits.
> What they were bred for is just so sick and twisted. The breeders are the ones
> who should be locked away.
> The warden had no right to take a dog from it's home simply because of a
> measurement, and without absolute proof, also some sort of written form stating
> banned breeds. How can a law be that perverted? If none of this was done..the
> warden had no right.
That hits the proverbial "nail" Deb - the breeders should be held accountable.
It's ironic that in this case the warden appears, from what I've read, to not be a dog/animal lover.
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Brock Ulfsen" brockulfsen@yahoo.com.au brockulfsen
Sat Jan 8, 2011 5:30 pm (PST)
If the Local Government Authority has a law that specifies a
measurement as defining a pit bull, then that is all the "proof" the
warden needs. Many laws have such deeming provisions, doesn't make
them good laws, but does make them simple.
I'm guessing it from the phrasing that "pit bull type breed" is a way
to avoid the need for expensive genetic testing etc, and to simplify
court proceedings: big bull dog style animal [x] bigger than x-cm in
some dimension [x].
The first question has to be the exact regulation the dog was seized
under. Was it LGA or State?
There are lists of banned breeds at federal and state and LGA level
all across australia for many kinds of animals.
...Brock.
On 08/01/2011, at 10:24 PM, Deb wrote:
> Merry Meet Tim and Tori
> I will. I can't tolerate injustices against animals. They suffer
> substantial
> abuse at the hands of humans.
>
> seems the senior dog warden does not like dogs, and is abusing the
> authority and
> power they have been given.
> A simple test at the vet will prove if he is a pit bull or not. (If
> only to
> stop Lennox and his owners being harrassed) I really feel so sad
> for pits.
> What they were bred for is just so sick and twisted. The breeders
> are the ones
> who should be locked away.
> The warden had no right to take a dog from it's home simply because
> of a
> measurement, and without absolute proof, also some sort of written
> form stating
> banned breeds. How can a law be that perverted? If none of this
> was done..the
> warden had no right.
>
> Pit bulls are banned in some countries. But no one seems to care
> about their
> plight
> or the reason they were bred initially, let alone stopping the
> people who breed
> dogs for their insane enjoyment. It is heartbreaking.
>
> _____________________ _________ __
> From: Ozpagan <ozpagan@ozpagan.com >
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 4:21:09 PM
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagans care about animals
>
> Lennox is an American Bull dog cross. On the 19th May 2010 he was
> taken from his
> loving home by Belfast City Council Dog Wardens simply because he
> was measured
> with a dress makers tape measure and deemed to be of a "Pit Bull
> Type" breed.
>
> Please show that pagans care about animals by reading the details on
> the FB page
> and home website below:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Save-Lennox/ 126654624030908? ref=ts
>
> How can you help?
> You can write a complaint to the Belfast City Council and complain
> like hell.
>
> complaints@belfastcity.gov.uk
> dogwardens@belfastcity.gov.uk
> lightfoots@belfastcity.gov.uk
> wylies@belfastcity.gov.uk
> mcnaneyp@belfastcity.gov.uk
>
> In particular you might address the Senior Dog Warden, Yolanda
> Elwood to offer
> any good reason why Lenox should not released immediately.
> <elwoody@belfastcity.gov.uk >
>
> Please CC your email to: info@savelennox.co.uk
>
> There are more stories on the home website.
> http://www.savelennox.co.uk/
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim & Tori
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
> ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
>
> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>
> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>
> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
> http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
> to these principles & to notify owner.
>
> info@witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Annie44merlin" annie44merlin@yahoo.com.au annie44merlin
Sat Jan 8, 2011 6:01 pm (PST)
Again Alex you stick your opinion in where it is not required....this case is in Belfast.
Alex law this is nothing to do with Australia ... Yes we can give emotional support. And as a practicing pagan of course I do ... But it is not up to us to comment on another countries laws ... No matter what our personal opinions.
It would be good of you to remember that.
Annie
Sent from my iPhone
On 09/01/2011, at 11:30 AM, Brock Ulfsen <brockulfsen@yahoo.com. > wrote:au
> If the Local Government Authority has a law that specifies a
> measurement as defining a pit bull, then that is all the "proof" the
> warden needs. Many laws have such deeming provisions, doesn't make
> them good laws, but does make them simple.
>
> I'm guessing it from the phrasing that "pit bull type breed" is a way
> to avoid the need for expensive genetic testing etc, and to simplify
> court proceedings: big bull dog style animal [x] bigger than x-cm in
> some dimension [x].
>
> The first question has to be the exact regulation the dog was seized
> under. Was it LGA or State?
>
> There are lists of banned breeds at federal and state and LGA level
> all across australia for many kinds of animals.
>
> ...Brock.
>
>
> On 08/01/2011, at 10:24 PM, Deb wrote:
>
>> Merry Meet Tim and Tori
>> I will. I can't tolerate injustices against animals. They suffer
>> substantial
>> abuse at the hands of humans.
>>
>> seems the senior dog warden does not like dogs, and is abusing the
>> authority and
>> power they have been given.
>> A simple test at the vet will prove if he is a pit bull or not. (If
>> only to
>> stop Lennox and his owners being harrassed) I really feel so sad
>> for pits.
>> What they were bred for is just so sick and twisted. The breeders
>> are the ones
>> who should be locked away.
>> The warden had no right to take a dog from it's home simply because
>> of a
>> measurement, and without absolute proof, also some sort of written
>> form stating
>> banned breeds. How can a law be that perverted? If none of this
>> was done..the
>> warden had no right.
>>
>> Pit bulls are banned in some countries. But no one seems to care
>> about their
>> plight
>> or the reason they were bred initially, let alone stopping the
>> people who breed
>> dogs for their insane enjoyment. It is heartbreaking.
>>
>> _____________________ _________ __
>> From: Ozpagan <ozpagan@ozpagan.com >
>> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 4:21:09 PM
>> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagans care about animals
>>
>> Lennox is an American Bull dog cross. On the 19th May 2010 he was
>> taken from his
>> loving home by Belfast City Council Dog Wardens simply because he
>> was measured
>> with a dress makers tape measure and deemed to be of a "Pit Bull
>> Type" breed.
>>
>> Please show that pagans care about animals by reading the details on
>> the FB page
>> and home website below:
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Save-Lennox/ 126654624030908? ref=ts
>>
>> How can you help?
>> You can write a complaint to the Belfast City Council and complain
>> like hell.
>>
>> complaints@belfastcity.gov.uk
>> dogwardens@belfastcity.gov.uk
>> lightfoots@belfastcity.gov.uk
>> wylies@belfastcity.gov.uk
>> mcnaneyp@belfastcity.gov.uk
>>
>> In particular you might address the Senior Dog Warden, Yolanda
>> Elwood to offer
>> any good reason why Lenox should not released immediately.
>> <elwoody@belfastcity.gov.uk >
>>
>> Please CC your email to: info@savelennox.co.uk
>>
>> There are more stories on the home website.
>> http://www.savelennox.co.uk/
>>
>> vinum sabbati,
>> Tim & Tori
>>
>> --------------------- --------- ------
>>
>> ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
>>
>> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
>> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>>
>> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>>
>> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
>> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
>> http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
>> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
>> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>>
>> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
>> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
>> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
>> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
>> to these principles & to notify owner.
>>
>> info@witchesworkshop.com
>> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
> ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
>
> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>
> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>
> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
> http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
> to these principles & to notify owner.
>
> info@witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Torza" torilou01@yahoo.co.uk torilou01
Sat Jan 8, 2011 6:42 pm (PST)
Hi Brock
This is the crux of the issue. The regulation the dog was seized under was the "Dogs (Northern Ireland) Order 1983". This order prohibits the ownership, breeding and sale of the following types of dog:
1. Pit bull terrier
2. Japanese Tosa
3. Fila Braziliero
4. Dogo Argentino
However Lennox does not fall into any of these categories. He was wrongfully seized because of his appearance and measurements alone. The Belfast City Council took him using a wrongly addressed warrant and using copyright ADBA (American Dog Breeders Association) breed standards guides which the Council were never authorised to use. In doing so they broke international copyright laws and have recently been issued with a 'Cease & Desist' order from ADBA Inc.
In the Order, the ADBA state:
"The breed standards were drafted for the specific purpose of assessing the quality of American pit bull terriers; the standards do not, and cannot, serve as an identifying checklist distinguishing permitted from forbidden dogs in your jurisdiction."
The Barnes family have proof that Lennox is not a pit bull terrier and are currently fighting the Council's decision through the courts, which is a very costly and lengthy process.
This case is relevant to all Australians, pagans or otherwise. One of our subscribers on Facebook pointed out that there are similar laws in existence in Queensland, meaning that this could well have happened right on our doorstep.
According to a website called "Dog's Life" http://www.dogslife.com.au
"In August 2003, due to lack of funds to abide by the restrictions in Queensland, Brigit and her husband Shane were forced to move to NSW with their Pit Bull Terrier, Tyson …[who] was identified as a restricted breed through a security door! Shane had to travel to Brisbane every day for work and Brigit fell into depression and had to quit her job."
And there are other stories just like Brigit, Shane and Tyson's.
As a human companion to two 10 year old rescue cats, I can't imagine what Lennox and his family must be going through (especially having seen evidence of the conditions Lennox is forced to live in). He has been confined to a small concrete kennel for more than 8 months with no toys or bedding and very little human interaction. We are all too familiar with what happens to humans in solitary confinement. This may very well impact on Lennox's ability to integrate with his family and their other dogs when he is released.
I've already contacted the agents of several Belfast celebrities, asking for their support for Lennox and the Barnes family. If anyone on this forum feels strongly enough to write a letter to the Belfast City Council, I would urge you to do so. Any healing, spell work and positive energy for Lennox's release would also be appreciated. He has been separated from his family for long enough.
complaints@belfastcity.gov.uk
Tori
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Brock Ulfsen <brockulfsen@com ...> wrote:
>
> If the Local Government Authority has a law that specifies a
> measurement as defining a pit bull, then that is all the "proof" the
> warden needs. Many laws have such deeming provisions, doesn't make
> them good laws, but does make them simple.
>
> I'm guessing it from the phrasing that "pit bull type breed" is a way
> to avoid the need for expensive genetic testing etc, and to simplify
> court proceedings: big bull dog style animal [x] bigger than x-cm in
> some dimension [x].
>
> The first question has to be the exact regulation the dog was seized
> under. Was it LGA or State?
>
> There are lists of banned breeds at federal and state and LGA level
> all across australia for many kinds of animals.
>
> ...Brock.
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Brock Ulfsen" brockulfsen@yahoo.com.au brockulfsen
Sat Jan 8, 2011 7:33 pm (PST)
Copyright law is irrelevant. Ordering a government agency not to use
published material may make sense in the USA, but out here in the real
world it just sounds ridiculous. A judge is more than likely to
conclude that the disclaimer in the books in question, and the cease
and desist "order" is a deliberate attempt to circumvent legislation
restricting such animals.
When they go to court a judge has to determine three things
- What is the legislation for. (Protection of the public from large
*potentially* dangerous animals)
- Does a dog have to be in the breeders database to qualify as being
of specified breed? (Probably not)
- Would a person familiar with the intent of the legislation on seeing
the dog in question have a reasonable belief that it was a prohibited
dog. (Yes)
Unfortunate as it is, like Rabbits & Ferrets (environmental pests) in
Queensland, the dog in question is almost certainly destined for
destruction through no fault of its own.
...Brock.
(Who had assumed Belfast was one of the LGAs of Victoria or NSW)
On 09/01/2011, at 12:42 PM, Torza wrote:
> Hi Brock
>
> This is the crux of the issue. The regulation the dog was seized
> under was the "Dogs (Northern Ireland) Order 1983". This order
> prohibits the ownership, breeding and sale of the following types of
> dog:
>
> 1. Pit bull terrier
> 2. Japanese Tosa
> 3. Fila Braziliero
> 4. Dogo Argentino
>
> However Lennox does not fall into any of these categories. He was
> wrongfully seized because of his appearance and measurements alone.
> The Belfast City Council took him using a wrongly addressed warrant
> and using copyright ADBA (American Dog Breeders Association) breed
> standards guides which the Council were never authorised to use. In
> doing so they broke international copyright laws and have recently
> been issued with a 'Cease & Desist' order from ADBA Inc.
>
> In the Order, the ADBA state:
>
> "The breed standards were drafted for the specific purpose of
> assessing the quality of American pit bull terriers; the standards
> do not, and cannot, serve as an identifying checklist distinguishing
> permitted from forbidden dogs in your jurisdiction."
>
> The Barnes family have proof that Lennox is not a pit bull terrier
> and are currently fighting the Council's decision through the
> courts, which is a very costly and lengthy process.
>
> This case is relevant to all Australians, pagans or otherwise. One
> of our subscribers on Facebook pointed out that there are similar
> laws in existence in Queensland, meaning that this could well have
> happened right on our doorstep.
>
> According to a website called "Dog's Life" http://www.dogslife.com.au
> "In August 2003, due to lack of funds to abide by the restrictions
> in Queensland, Brigit and her husband Shane were forced to move to
> NSW with their Pit Bull Terrier, Tyson …[who] was identified as a
> restricted breed through a security door! Shane had to travel to
> Brisbane every day for work and Brigit fell into depression and had
> to quit her job."
>
> And there are other stories just like Brigit, Shane and Tyson's.
>
> As a human companion to two 10 year old rescue cats, I can't imagine
> what Lennox and his family must be going through (especially having
> seen evidence of the conditions Lennox is forced to live in). He has
> been confined to a small concrete kennel for more than 8 months with
> no toys or bedding and very little human interaction. We are all too
> familiar with what happens to humans in solitary confinement. This
> may very well impact on Lennox's ability to integrate with his
> family and their other dogs when he is released.
>
> I've already contacted the agents of several Belfast celebrities,
> asking for their support for Lennox and the Barnes family. If anyone
> on this forum feels strongly enough to write a letter to the Belfast
> City Council, I would urge you to do so. Any healing, spell work and
> positive energy for Lennox's release would also be appreciated. He
> has been separated from his family for long enough.
>
> complaints@belfastcity.gov.uk
>
> Tori
>
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Deb" universalpeace2005@yahoo.com.au darklymystifying
Sat Jan 8, 2011 9:54 pm (PST)
Hopefully Lennox's human companions will be successful in having the warden and
or department charged with animal abuse. (that is what they are doing to Lennox)
Glad to read the family has proof Lennos is not a pit bull.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in positions of power who really don't
like animals at all, and would prefer to see them all eradicated. They use the
power of their position to do that. Quite a sad state of affairs.
blessed be
On 09/01/2011, at 12:42 PM, Torza wrote:
> Hi Brock
>
> This is the crux of the issue. The regulation the dog was seized
> under was the "Dogs (Northern Ireland) Order 1983". This order
> prohibits the ownership, breeding and sale of the following types of
> dog:
>
> 1. Pit bull terrier
> 2. Japanese Tosa
> 3. Fila Braziliero
> 4. Dogo Argentino
>
> However Lennox does not fall into any of these categories. He was
> wrongfully seized because of his appearance and measurements alone.
> The Belfast City Council took him using a wrongly addressed warrant
> and using copyright ADBA (American Dog Breeders Association) breed
> standards guides which the Council were never authorised to use. In
> doing so they broke international copyright laws and have recently
> been issued with a 'Cease & Desist' order from ADBA Inc.
>
> In the Order, the ADBA state:
>
> "The breed standards were drafted for the specific purpose of
> assessing the quality of American pit bull terriers; the standards
> do not, and cannot, serve as an identifying checklist distinguishing
> permitted from forbidden dogs in your jurisdiction."
>
> The Barnes family have proof that Lennox is not a pit bull terrier
> and are currently fighting the Council's decision through the
> courts, which is a very costly and lengthy process.
>
> This case is relevant to all Australians, pagans or otherwise. One
> of our subscribers on Facebook pointed out that there are similar
> laws in existence in Queensland, meaning that this could well have
> happened right on our doorstep.
>
> According to a website called "Dog's Life" http://www.dogslife.com.au
> "In August 2003, due to lack of funds to abide by the restrictions
> in Queensland, Brigit and her husband Shane were forced to move to
> NSW with their Pit Bull Terrier, Tyson …[who] was identified as a
> restricted breed through a security door! Shane had to travel to
> Brisbane every day for work and Brigit fell into depression and had
> to quit her job."
>
> And there are other stories just like Brigit, Shane and Tyson's.
>
> As a human companion to two 10 year old rescue cats, I can't imagine
> what Lennox and his family must be going through (especially having
> seen evidence of the conditions Lennox is forced to live in). He has
> been confined to a small concrete kennel for more than 8 months with
> no toys or bedding and very little human interaction. We are all too
> familiar with what happens to humans in solitary confinement. This
> may very well impact on Lennox's ability to integrate with his
> family and their other dogs when he is released.
>
> I've already contacted the agents of several Belfast celebrities,
> asking for their support for Lennox and the Barnes family. If anyone
> on this forum feels strongly enough to write a letter to the Belfast
> City Council, I would urge you to do so. Any healing, spell work and
> positive energy for Lennox's release would also be appreciated. He
> has been separated from his family for long enough.
>
> complaints@belfastcity.gov.uk
>
> Tori
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Deb" universalpeace2005@yahoo.com.au darklymystifying
Sat Jan 8, 2011 10:35 pm (PST)
Those laws need to be re vamped at any government level. It is ridiculous to
have an animal removed just because it has a measurement or a look of a type of
breed.
No, it is not a way to avoid genetic testing. Because the councils / court /
would make the owners pay for it.
It is a way to shove everything under one umbrella and call it same same. A
way to make things 'simple and easy' for those who can't be bothered, and have
an attitude of 'it looks like it, therefore it must be' We really do live in a
society where image has paramount importance, rather than what really counts.
What is more important is the right thing to do. not the easy cushioned path
of simple and easy for those in charge. It seems details are unimportant as with
truth. Blind eyes and deaf ears that see and hear naught.
it is not an animals fault for how they behave. It is the humans at fault that
cause the animals to become skewed.
... aware of the banned breeds. Rottweilers are among them. beautiful family
dogs. Just because a few of them were severely mistreated by humans and they
retaliated. So these horrific cases of animal abuse led to an unjust law.
Animal abuse does not end at dogs, or cats. There is lifestock that is treated
abominably, horses, too.
dogs and cats who become human companions are not 'things' to be shoved outside,
forgotten, and having some sustenance thrown at them every now and then.
It is depressing so little of the population 'see' so little. always there is a
hidden adjenda, ulterior motives, and hidden reasons for what happens.
blessed be
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From: Brock Ulfsen <brockulfsen@yahoo.com. >au
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 9:30:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagans care about animals
If the Local Government Authority has a law that specifies a
measurement as defining a pit bull, then that is all the "proof" the
warden needs. Many laws have such deeming provisions, doesn't make
them good laws, but does make them simple.
I'm guessing it from the phrasing that "pit bull type breed" is a way
to avoid the need for expensive genetic testing etc, and to simplify
court proceedings: big bull dog style animal [x] bigger than x-cm in
some dimension [x].
The first question has to be the exact regulation the dog was seized
under. Was it LGA or State?
There are lists of banned breeds at federal and state and LGA level
all across australia for many kinds of animals.
...Brock.
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Re: Pagans care about animals
Posted by: "Brock Ulfsen" brockulfsen@yahoo.com.au brockulfsen
Sun Jan 9, 2011 4:29 am (PST)
On 09/01/2011, at 4:35 PM, Deb wrote:
> ... aware of the banned breeds. Rottweilers are among them.
> beautiful family
> dogs. Just because a few of them were severely mistreated by humans
> and they
> retaliated. So these horrific cases of animal abuse led to an unjust
> law.
>
Where are Rottweilers banned?
...Brock.
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Hello
Posted by: "deanryanbarnes" deanryanbarnes@yahoo.com.au deanryanbarnes
Sat Jan 8, 2011 4:10 pm (PST)
Hello all.
My Names Dean. I'm new to this...just researching and reading about Wicca to see if its a path I'd like to follow.
Hope to meet some people here I can chat to and get some more info!!
Thanks Guys
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Animal souls
Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com wwwozpagancom
Sat Jan 8, 2011 5:38 pm (PST)
I'm wondering how many people have as their animal soul/familiar
spirit a dog of some sort?
While I don't personally have a dog spirit, I have had experience
with the jackal god Anubis. Anubis is an archetype of the
"psychopomp" (a guide of souls), which I have strongly identify with
during the NOX rites I regularly perform.
While this is different from having a personal animal soul, I have
experienced the same sorts of instinctual capacity I've had with my
familiar spirits of raven and snake.
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: Animal souls
Posted by: "Deb" universalpeace2005@yahoo.com.au darklymystifying
Sat Jan 8, 2011 10:04 pm (PST)
My own dog is my familar. She is not my only familar. She does however, keep me
quite protected in many ways, spiritual and otherwise.
Animals come to me for assistance when they require it. I do my best always to
help.
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From: Tim Hartridge <ozpagan@ozpagan.com >
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 9:38:55 AM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Animal souls
I'm wondering how many people have as their animal soul/familiar
spirit a dog of some sort?
While I don't personally have a dog spirit, I have had experience
with the jackal god Anubis. Anubis is an archetype of the
"psychopomp" (a guide of souls), which I have strongly identify with
during the NOX rites I regularly perform.
While this is different from having a personal animal soul, I have
experienced the same sorts of instinctual capacity I've had with my
familiar spirits of raven and snake.
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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