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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "grambadger@juno.com" grambadger@juno.com   ingram_jd

Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:25 am (PST)



whoa! Martha, you can't go round giving "THEM" the benefit of any doubt. If you can't stay in lock step with the mutual admiration and christianphobe's party, they'll take away your N.O.W. card, and revoke your wicca permit.
;P

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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com   enigma9363

Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:04 am (PST)



Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I don't
get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as evidenced by
Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be as unrounded
or uninformed as you stated.

Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless football
is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas and
other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched Olbermann
because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed the
channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.

Lori B
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> sigh and the fox bashing starts, I guess it's easy to maintain a point of
> view when you never look at the other side of things, not my idea of well
> rounded or well informed but um each to his/her own I guess
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> He wrote a book "Pitchforks and Torches". He used to be a sports
>> commentator. Very funny without being also scary like FOX.
>>
>> Lori B
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM, grambadger@juno.com <
>> grambadger@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well Karen, Olbermann owes you some thanks. Without your help I might
>>> never have head of him. Who watches TV, and who in heck watches MSNBC?
>>> Is he in print anywhere?
>>>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com   mensachick529

Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:51 am (PST)



Not and never will be a member of NOW but have been an openly pagan
republican for 15 years in rural georgia.. never had an issue. I just find
it entertaining that people are so threatened by and actively demonize a tv
channel that doesn't follow lockstep with the others.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:24 AM, grambadger@juno.com <grambadger@juno.com>wrote:

>
>
> whoa! Martha, you can't go round giving "THEM" the benefit of any doubt. If
> you can't stay in lock step with the mutual admiration and christianphobe's
> party, they'll take away your N.O.W. card, and revoke your wicca permit.
> ;P
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance
> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d3edd336d4a287d871st05vuc
>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com   mensachick529

Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:52 am (PST)



and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded, ooooh
a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news channel
out there **shiver** scary

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I don't
> get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as evidenced by
> Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be as unrounded
> or uninformed as you stated.
>
> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless football
> is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas and
> other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched Olbermann
> because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed the
> channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>
> Lori B
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sigh and the fox bashing starts, I guess it's easy to maintain a point of
>> view when you never look at the other side of things, not my idea of well
>> rounded or well informed but um each to his/her own I guess
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He wrote a book "Pitchforks and Torches". He used to be a sports
>>> commentator. Very funny without being also scary like FOX.
>>>
>>> Lori B
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM, grambadger@juno.com <
>>> grambadger@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well Karen, Olbermann owes you some thanks. Without your help I might
>>>> never have head of him. Who watches TV, and who in heck watches MSNBC?
>>>> Is he in print anywhere?
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________________
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>>>> Book A Vacation Now & Save Up To 30% on Hotels & Vacation Packages.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lori B
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com   enigma9363

Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:30 pm (PST)



To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those are
the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of view"
is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the channel
that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else it
places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
honest reaction to fearmongering.

Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other prime
time news.

As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually from
tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation and
the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right outside
of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from reading
those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.

Lori B

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded, ooooh
> a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news channel
> out there **shiver** scary
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I don't
>> get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as evidenced by
>> Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be as unrounded
>> or uninformed as you stated.
>>
>> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>
>> Lori B
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> sigh and the fox bashing starts, I guess it's easy to maintain a point of
>>> view when you never look at the other side of things, not my idea of well
>>> rounded or well informed but um each to his/her own I guess
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He wrote a book "Pitchforks and Torches". He used to be a sports
>>>> commentator. Very funny without being also scary like FOX.
>>>>
>>>> Lori B
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM, grambadger@juno.com <
>>>> grambadger@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well Karen, Olbermann owes you some thanks. Without your help I might
>>>>> never have head of him. Who watches TV, and who in heck watches MSNBC?
>>>>> Is he in print anywhere?
>>>>>
>>>>> __________________________________________________________
>>>>> Travelocity Vacation Package Deals
>>>>> Book A Vacation Now & Save Up To 30% on Hotels & Vacation Packages.
>>>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d3db8743090bd3c069st03vuc
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com   mensachick529

Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:45 pm (PST)



Really give me some examples please because I watch with great regularity
and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news sources),
and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and so on
and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every day
are soooo conservative.. just evil.

So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
nasty comments and demonize those that do.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those are
> the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of view"
> is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the channel
> that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else it
> places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
> think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>
> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
> prime time news.
>
> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually from
> tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation and
> the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right outside
> of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from reading
> those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>
> Lori B
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
>> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
>> channel out there **shiver** scary
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I don't
>>> get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as evidenced by
>>> Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be as unrounded
>>> or uninformed as you stated.
>>>
>>> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>
>>> Lori B
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sigh and the fox bashing starts, I guess it's easy to maintain a point
>>>> of view when you never look at the other side of things, not my idea of well
>>>> rounded or well informed but um each to his/her own I guess
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He wrote a book "Pitchforks and Torches". He used to be a sports
>>>>> commentator. Very funny without being also scary like FOX.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM, grambadger@juno.com <
>>>>> grambadger@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well Karen, Olbermann owes you some thanks. Without your help I might
>>>>>> never have head of him. Who watches TV, and who in heck watches MSNBC?
>>>>>> Is he in print anywhere?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________________
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>>>>>> Book A Vacation Now & Save Up To 30% on Hotels & Vacation Packages.
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com   mensachick529

Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:47 pm (PST)



now if something more adult like I really don't enjoy fox news I disagree
with their commentators rather than ooooh the big scary people having their
own opinions that differ from mine how dare they belive other things than I
do.. that's a total and complete different story

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great regularity
> and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news sources),
> and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and so on
> and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every day
> are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>
> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
> another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
> the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
> violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
> and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
> complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
> exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
> nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those are
>> the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of view"
>> is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the channel
>> that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else it
>> places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
>> think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>
>> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
>> prime time news.
>>
>> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually from
>> tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation and
>> the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right outside
>> of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from reading
>> those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>
>> Lori B
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
>>> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
>>> channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>>
>>>> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>>
>>>> Lori B
>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sigh and the fox bashing starts, I guess it's easy to maintain a point
>>>>> of view when you never look at the other side of things, not my idea of well
>>>>> rounded or well informed but um each to his/her own I guess
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He wrote a book "Pitchforks and Torches". He used to be a sports
>>>>>> commentator. Very funny without being also scary like FOX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM, grambadger@juno.com <
>>>>>> grambadger@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well Karen, Olbermann owes you some thanks. Without your help I might
>>>>>>> never have head of him. Who watches TV, and who in heck watches MSNBC?
>>>>>>> Is he in print anywhere?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> Travelocity Vacation Package Deals
>>>>>>> Book A Vacation Now & Save Up To 30% on Hotels & Vacation Packages.
>>>>>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d3db8743090bd3c069st03vuc
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com   enigma9363

Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:34 pm (PST)



You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not. Conservatism isn't evil,
I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs. None of my comments were
silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't have a right to say what
they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word fearmongering, if you
were confused.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great regularity
> and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news sources),
> and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and so on
> and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every day
> are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>
> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
> another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
> the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
> violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
> and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
> complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
> exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
> nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those are
>> the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of view"
>> is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the channel
>> that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else it
>> places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
>> think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>
>> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
>> prime time news.
>>
>> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually from
>> tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation and
>> the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right outside
>> of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from reading
>> those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>
>> Lori B
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
>>> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
>>> channel out there **shiver** scary
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>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>>
>>>> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>>
>>>> Lori B
>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> sigh and the fox bashing starts, I guess it's easy to maintain a point
>>>>> of view when you never look at the other side of things, not my idea of well
>>>>> rounded or well informed but um each to his/her own I guess
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>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> He wrote a book "Pitchforks and Torches". He used to be a sports
>>>>>> commentator. Very funny without being also scary like FOX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM, grambadger@juno.com <
>>>>>> grambadger@juno.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Well Karen, Olbermann owes you some thanks. Without your help I might
>>>>>>> never have head of him. Who watches TV, and who in heck watches MSNBC?
>>>>>>> Is he in print anywhere?
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com   mensachick529

Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:42 pm (PST)



I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.

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> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing another point of view than most of the main stream media?  I guess that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and complete idiots or not.  So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com   enigma9363

Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:53 pm (PST)



O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's diatribes on the
blackboard.

As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary channel. Or
watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

> I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
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> comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't have a
> right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
> fearmongering, if you were confused.
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> and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and so on
> and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every day
> are soooo conservative.. just evil.
> >
> > So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
> another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
> the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
> violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
> and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
> complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
> exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
> nasty comments and demonize those that do.
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> the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of view"
> is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the channel
> that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else it
> places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
> think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
> honest reaction to fearmongering.
> >
> >
> > Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
> prime time news.
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> > As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
> from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
> and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
> outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
> reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
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> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
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> or uninformed as you stated.
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> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
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> > So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com   mensachick529

Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:17 pm (PST)



I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.

And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
important

It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
fine.
Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated

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> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing another point of view than most of the main stream media?  I guess that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and complete idiots or not.  So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
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>> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other prime time news.
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>> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually from tv news channels.  I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ).  It's from reading those that I chose 'scary'.   Nothing close-minded about it.
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>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded, ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news channel out there  **shiver** scary
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>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I don't get my information from either one.  They are both extremes, as evidenced by Olbermann and Beck.  To rely on either one as a source would be as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com   enigma9363

Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:02 pm (PST)



Of course you are and I gave you a couple.

Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
"The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
"evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
commentator. As was William F. Buckley.

I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....

I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.

As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.

Lori B
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>
> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
> important
>
> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
> fine.
> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> diatribes on the blackboard.
> >
> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary channel. Or
> watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs. None of my
> comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't have a
> right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
> fearmongering, if you were confused.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
> >>
> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
> another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
> the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
> violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
> and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
> complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
> exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
> nasty comments and demonize those that do.
> >>
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> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those
> are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of
> view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
> honest reaction to fearmongering.
> >>
> >>
> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
> prime time news.
> >>
> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
> from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
> and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
> outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
> reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lori B
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
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> >>
> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
> channel out there **shiver** scary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
> >>
> >>
> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
> >>
> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
> >>
> >> Lori B
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > --
> > *SUPPORT OUR 911 FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
> >
> > http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
> >
> >
> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/mensachick
> >
> > Multiply
> > http://mensachickie.multiply.com/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
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> > --
> > Lori B
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> *SUPPORT OUR 911 FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
>
> http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
>
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> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/mensachick
>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com   mensachick529

Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:24 am (PST)



No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using rhetoric
and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they should be
doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely does ..
giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
research and make your own decisions.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>
> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>
> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
> That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>
> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>
> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>
> Lori B
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>
>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>> important
>>
>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>> fine.
>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
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>> >
>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>> >
>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary channel. Or
>> watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not. Conservatism
>> isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs. None of my
>> comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't have a
>> right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>> >>
>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
>> another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
>> the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
>> violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
>> and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
>> complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
>> exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
>> nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those
>> are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of
>> view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
>> prime time news.
>> >>
>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
>> from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
>> and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
>> outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
>> reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Lori B
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
>> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
>> channel out there **shiver** scary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>> >>
>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>> >>
>> >> Lori B
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > *SUPPORT OUR 911 FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
>> >
>> > http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/mensachick
>> >
>> > Multiply
>> > http://mensachickie.multiply.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lori B
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *SUPPORT OUR 911 FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
>>
>> http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
>>
>>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/mensachick
>>
>> Multiply
>> http://mensachickie.multiply.com/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>

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2.

Finding your Animal Totems

Posted by: "holly@ravenmadness.com" holly@ravenmadness.com   fshaunt

Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:56 am (PST)




Ok in the past few days I have had several conversations about how do
you find your totem animal or animals .. and how do you know which
animal is yours.... soooooooooooooo I thought I might speak a few words
about this.

The first thing that I want to say is ... the below are my own thoughts
and ways ... I'm not saying this is the one and only way and I'm not
saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong... all I can do is give you
my perspective and speak from my own experiences... so please don;t take
it personally if my view differs from yours or from what you may have
been told by someone else..

ok whew .. now that the disclaimer is said and done.. we can get down to
business.

Note #1 - First of all there were comments by one of my friends that she
is connected to one particular animal more than any other and then she
said that <Insert name here> told her that her totem was something else
.. her next statement was that she has never connected with that animal.

Well, I'm not saying that whoever told her what her totem was - was
wrong .. that totem may be around her but not yet showing itself to her
- but also I want to say that ... YOU are the one connecting with YOUR
totem .. YOU are the one effected ... YOU are the one being guided -
Don;t worry so much about what others tell you - instead ... if you
feel strongly linked to one particular animal or 2 or 3 or whatever -
then that/those are YOUR totems.

Note #2 - You may have many totems throughout your lifetime.. some stay
with you for long periods of time and sometimes forever and some come
and go as they are needed. Sooooooo ... you meet someone and they tell
you <insert animal name here> is your totem ... or at least that's what
THEY see as YOUR totem ... and that may be true for that moment in
time... but as your life progresses and you change .. your situation
changes and all things around you change .. your totem may or may not
also change. So don't get yourself stuck on ... "so and so said this is
my totem so that's it .. forever" LOL


Note #3 - You will find your totem when you stop trying so hard to find
it ..

It is not something to be forced or made to be.. when you relax and let
things just be .. you will see...
You must allow your totem to come to you .. welcome it into your life
and soon you will discover it has been there all along.. you will see
the signs and have that DUH! Moment .. LOL...

When you push and push and try to force things to be ... the vision
becomes blurred and unclear. We all have our totems.. don't worry you
are not without one just because you are unsure of what it is. You just
have to relax and allow it to show itself to you.

Note #4 - Stan Hughes has a wonderful book called Medicine Seeker.. in
the back of his book he has a 100+ question survey to help you find out
what totems you may have. It's a very in depth survey that may bring
light to what you already know but may be suppressing.

Here's a link to Stan's page
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001401923003


Anyway .. I hope this has helped .. good luck

Many Blessings,
Raventalker

www.ravenmadness.com

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Laurelin's monthly Pagan potluck and discussion PLUS Imbolg ritual

Posted by: "Kirk White" laurelin@sover.net   laurelinkirk

Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:53 am (PST)



This is a reminder about Laurelin Community's monthly Pagan Potluck and Discussion. This event is held the LAST Sunday of every month from Noon to 4 PM.

This month that would be this coming Sunday:

Sunday January 30th

Get out of the house. Meet Pagans from across Vermont (and maybe beyond!).
Bring your favorite dish to share and any Pagan-related topic you might like to discuss.

**** At 4 PM we will also be having a short Imbolg ritual to honor Brid. This will be a fairly "traditional" Wiccan (as opposed to eclectic Wicca) Imbolg with circle casting, quarter callings, a "drawn down" priestess, candle making, symbolic Great Rite and the whole shebang! RSVP's for the ritual are not required but are really, really appreciated. *****

Location: Laurelin Farm, 307 Christian Hill Rd, Bethel, Vermont 05032

Directions:

From the North, South or East:
Take I-89 to Exit 3. Take a right off the ramp heading towards Bethel on Route 12. Go about 2 miles and on your Right you will see Christian Hill Road (immediately after Poulos Insurance). Turn onto Christian Hill and go about 1/4 mile. On your left you'll see the Laurelin Farm sign. The next driveway up on the left (the small tan ranch with brown metal roof) is the location. If you get lost, call 802-234-9670.

From the West:
Find your way to Route 107 East. As you are entering Bethel, you will cross a steel bridge, go under a railway track and the highway will split into a Y. Take a right here onto Route 12 and 107. The first road that you will
come to on your left (about 1 mile from the intersection) is Christian Hill Road. Turn onto Christian Hill and go about 1/4 mile. On your left you'll see the Laurelin Farm sign. The next driveway up on the left (the small tan ranch with brown metal roof) is the location. If you get lost, call 802-234-9670.

Hope to see you here. RSVP's are appreciated.

Please feel free to forward this message to anyone you think might be interested.
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Hands of Change Coven Orientation, Feb. 7, Old Bridge NJ

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM   chic0411

Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:40 pm (PST)



Hands of Change Coven Orientation, Feb. 7, Old Bridge NJ

Date: Monday February 7, 2011
Time: 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm

Location:

144 E. Greystone Road
Old Bridge, NJ 08857
Phone: 908-868-4311
http://www.handsofchange.org/

Please note: All courses require pre-registration. To Register, please email crow@handsofchange.org.

Coven Orientation - Mon. Feb. 7 from 7:00-9:00 p.m.

The intent of this class is to acquaint prospective new members with the different aspects of the Hands of Change Charter, as well as teaching the consensus agreement seeking processes of our business meetings. It will be required of all prospective members.

Cost: $5

Instructor: Crow

Cher
New_Jersey_Pagans...Come in and Chat with us!

Main Yahoo Group NJP: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/New_Jersey_Pagans/
Ning Web sites: NJP: http://njpagans.ning.com/
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