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[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4870

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Re: "Root me and I'll break your "curse", babe"

Posted by: "layladel@netspace.net.au" layladel@netspace.net.au   ishtar_scion

Thu Nov 3, 2011 1:53 pm (PDT)



What was the court case about? What was the guy charged with exactly? Its illegal to talk people into having sex with you?

Mel

From: Graham
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 11:19 PM
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Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: "Root me and I'll break your "curse", babe"

Thanks for the post CB... Obviously this kind of false association with pagans doesn't do anyone any good. But I think I remember that this case has been going on for quite a while now?, and weren't the offenders associated with some kind of fringe Christian movement actually?

BB Graham.

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Re: "Root me and I'll break your "curse", babe"

Posted by: "Matthieu Morelle" lucifervulus_sa_kage@yahoo.com.au   lucifervulus_sa_kage

Thu Nov 3, 2011 2:37 pm (PDT)



>>>What was the guy charged with exactly? Its illegal to talk people into having sex with you?<<<

It is illegal to trick someone or force someone via coercion into having sex with you. Saying you will break a curse for someone if they have sex with you is the same as saying you won't kill someone if they have sex with you.

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Re: "Root me and I'll break your "curse", babe"

Posted by: "Graham" grahfurn@yahoo.com.au   grahfurn

Thu Nov 3, 2011 5:24 pm (PDT)



Yep CB - how could I forget - good'ol step 4! :)

The reporter may have even got an extra bonus if the headline were something like...
"Scuffle on black magic vampire cult conviction: court"

Now that's a headline!

Cheers & BB, Graham.

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From: carteblanche13 <carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au>
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 12:03 AM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: "Root me and I'll break your "curse", babe"

 
Yeah, you're right, Graham. There is no association here with "pagans" at all, just the (time-honoured, and admittedly cool) headline "black magic", i.e., a paranoid fantasy in the minds of the silly insecure bints who fell for this guy's (unoriginal) messianic act. It's been dragging on for quite a while now, I was surprised to see this in the paper still.

And yes, the only *actual* spiritual designation involved in this sordid crime was - you guessed it - Christianity.

Step 1.
Invent bogey of your choice: "black magic/witches/evil spirits/demons/hell/the wrong 'path'".

Step 2.
Tell insecure vulnerable types they need *you* to "cure/redeem/save/'initiate'" them.

Step 3.
Profit (sexually, politically, financially).

Step 4. (the one you forgot about)
Headlines in the Sydney Morning Herald. Biting people whilst leaving court.

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> Thanks for the post CB... Obviously this kind of false association with pagans doesn't do anyone any good. But I think I remember that this case has been going on for quite a while now?, and weren't the offenders associated with some kind of fringe Christian movement actually?
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> BB Graham.
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> From: carteblanche13 <carteblanche13@...>
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
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> An unlikely pick-up line, but it clearly worked, twice.
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> http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/scuffle-on-black-magic-conviction-court-20111103-1mx7m.html
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Re: "I'll break your "curse", babe"

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Fri Nov 4, 2011 4:18 am (PDT)



Hi Mel,

Sorry, I should have provided more background.

The court case was about rape, not "talking people into having sex".

Background:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-10-26/jury-shown-video-in-black-magic-rape-case/2312120

and

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-12-15/pair-convicted-of-black-magic-sex-attacks/2375172

Regards
C.B.

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> What was the court case about? What was the guy charged with exactly? Its illegal to talk people into having sex with you?
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> Mel
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> From: Graham
> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 11:19 PM
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: "Root me and I'll break your "curse", babe"
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> Thanks for the post CB... Obviously this kind of false association with pagans doesn't do anyone any good. But I think I remember that this case has been going on for quite a while now?, and weren't the offenders associated with some kind of fringe Christian movement actually?
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> BB Graham.
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Fwd: Starfire Vol II No 4 - now available for ordering

Posted by: "ozpagan" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Thu Nov 3, 2011 7:49 pm (PDT)



For those not familiar with "Starfire" magazine, it's been the leading light of the modern Typhonian and Thelemic forms of magick in the publishing world.
Each issue of this magazine has pushed the "bar" higher, as the quality of production approached more a form of art, rather than a purely text-based magazine. (And hence the pricing.)

This issue of some 304 pages is really a book rather than a magazine, and is certainly worth the cover price. The announcement from Starfire publishers for this vol 2, no.4 is a prep-booking announcement so there's opportunity to get a head-start on this edition before it sells out.
vinum sabbati,
Tim

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> This issue is a substantial, riveting, and enlightening publication, 304 pages long and printed on Arctic Volume, a good-quality coated paper. There is a sparkling diversity of content, including thirteen great articles and essays, two fascinating short stories, four arresting pieces of artwork, and a substantial section of book reviews. More details of the contents of this issue can be found at www.starfirepublishing.co.uk/Starfire24_contents.htm. Starfire Vol II No 4 will be available in both a robust, sewn-bound softbound edition and a fine limited hardbound edition, and is now available for advance ordering prior to publication.
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> The softbound edition is priced at £25.00. Postage and packing is an additional £6.00 within the UK, £10.00 within Europe, and £18.00 elsewhere. For customers in Canada and the USA, the softbound edition should be ordered from Holmes Publishing (www.jdholmes.com), our distributors there. For all customers not in Canada or the USA, payments can be made directly by Paypal to starfire.books@btinternet.com (in Sterling only) or by using the buttons at www.starfirepublishing.co.uk/Starfire24_paypal_softbound.htm. Payment can also be made (again, in Sterling only) by a cheque drawn on a UK bank, or by International Money Order or Banker's Draft. Cheques, money orders or drafts should be made payable to 'Starfire Publishing Ltd.' and posted to Starfire Publishing Ltd., BCM Starfire, London WC1N 3XX, United Kingdom.
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> The hardbound edition is available from the publishers only. Bound in cloth, it is slip-cased, with a design stamped to the front board. It comes with decorated endpapers, a full colour illustrated dust-jacket, and with top and tail bands to the binding. Limited to 111 copies, each numbered and signed by the editor and publisher, Michael Staley, the price is £65.00. Postage and packing is an additional £8.00 within the UK, £13.00 within Europe, and £24.00 elsewhere. Payments can be made directly by Paypal to starfire.books@btinternet.com (in Sterling only) or by using the buttons at www.starfirepublishing.co.uk/Starfire24_paypal_hardbound.htm. Payment can also be made (again, in Sterling only) by a cheque drawn on a UK bank, or by International Money Order or Banker's Draft. Cheques, money orders or drafts should be made payable to 'Starfire Publishing Ltd.' and posted to Starfire Publishing Ltd., BCM Starfire, London WC1N 3XX, United Kingdom.
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3a.

Re: NEWS: A Roman Lead Curse Tablet

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Thu Nov 3, 2011 8:31 pm (PDT)



Hi Mary

>>Are you planning on visiting there Caroline on your trip? Mary<<

You mean the Johns Hopkins Archaeological Museum? Actually, I hadn't thought
of it. I'm going to San Francisco and my time will be very much taken up by
what I'm doing there (American Schools of Oriental Research conference and
American Academy of Religion conference) and I now see (after Googling) that
the Johns Hopkins Archaeological Museum is in Baltimore, so no, I guess not.

However, when I was in Israel this year, working on the finds from Caesarea
Maritima (Herod's palace on the sea, he had several palaces), I specifically
focussed on the material from the well - which had lead curse tablets in it.
I wasn't working on the curse tablets, they'd already been taken away ages
ago to be unwrapped and hopefully read. I was working on these stones disks,
triangles, squares etc that the dig director, Kathryn Gleason, thought might
have been stone versions of the lead curse tablets that has been written on
instead of engraved. We don't really know whether they were, and the dig's
field director, Barbara Burrell, completely disagreed, but anyway.
interesting nevertheless.

~Caroline.

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4a.

Tanya Luhrmann's recent blog post

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Thu Nov 3, 2011 8:34 pm (PDT)



Interesting blog post by anthropologist, Tanya Luhrman, author of
Persuasions of the Witch's Craft, one of the first ethnographies of modern
Witches and Magicians (and which was controversial as the people studied
didn't feel fairly represented). This is a reasonably positive post though,
and interesting.

http://freq.uenci.es/2011/10/27/magic/

~Caroline.

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Re: Tanya Luhrmann's recent blog post

Posted by: "Graham" grahfurn@yahoo.com.au   grahfurn

Thu Nov 3, 2011 9:36 pm (PDT)



Thanks for posting this Caroline - I like the technique that has been proposed in the article, particularly the process of of taking notes and using them to compare the inner and outer world views - I think that it would be very interesting to try it in a group environment and then compare everyone's results - how much would they differ, would it matter if they were strangers or more closely linked, etc? Also, the effect of different environments could be considered e.g. start from a virtually empty monotone room with only one or two well defined items to look at, progressing to more complex environments, which could include plants, sculptures, various wall colours, or even sounds and other sensory stimuli?

Just thinking as I go along there... Thanks once more for an inspirational post :)

BB Graham.

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From: Caroline Tully <heliade@bigpond.com>
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Tanya Luhrmann's recent blog post

 
Interesting blog post by anthropologist, Tanya Luhrman, author of
Persuasions of the Witch's Craft, one of the first ethnographies of modern
Witches and Magicians (and which was controversial as the people studied
didn't feel fairly represented). This is a reasonably positive post though,
and interesting.

http://freq.uenci.es/2011/10/27/magic/

~Caroline.

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The Ethnographer and the Magicians

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Fri Nov 4, 2011 12:49 am (PDT)



More interesting discussion of Tanya Luhrman's work (and other things) here:

<http://blog.chasclifton.com/?p=3384> The Ethnographer and the Magicians

http://blog.chasclifton.com/

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Re: The Ethnographer and the Magicians

Posted by: "Graham" grahfurn@yahoo.com.au   grahfurn

Fri Nov 4, 2011 3:43 am (PDT)



Thanks again Caroline for these added references.
You know I was just re-reading Tanya Luhrmann's blog on Magic, and her vision of the six druids one morning after reading the book on Celtic Britain made me think of the phenomenon of Tibetan tulpas or "thought forms"... I have a book here called "Tibetan Magic and Mysticism" by J.H. Brennan, where it discusses tulpas...

"The Tibetan method of tulpa creation is easy to explain, but difficult to put into practice... You practice the visualization of an entity until it becomes a waking hallucination, then intensify the visualization until the "hallucination" can be seen by other people. It is advisable to begin by imagining inanimate objects, like a box or a flower, then working up to living creatures."

Makes me wonder if any academics have looked at that topic? I see on Wikipedia there was a book written about this kind of thing way back in 1901, called "Thought Forms" by Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Forms

Also, I just found a free online edition of that book <gotta love the internet!>. Here's the link:
http://www.anandgholap.net/Thought_Forms-AB_CWL.htm

There goes the weekend! :)

BB, Graham.

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From: Caroline Tully <heliade@bigpond.com>
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] The Ethnographer and the Magicians

 
More interesting discussion of Tanya Luhrman's work (and other things) here:

<http://blog.chasclifton.com/?p=3384> The Ethnographer and the Magicians

http://blog.chasclifton.com/

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