sâmbătă, 13 noiembrie 2010

[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4577

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1a.
Pagans in the media - UK From: Media Officer
1b.
Re: Pagans in the media - UK From: Graham
1c.
Re: Pagans in the media - UK From: Tim Hartridge
1d.
Re: Pagans in the media - UK From: barbtrad
2.
Event: Tantric Psychology and Shamanic Experiences: Their Synthesis From: Tantra Psychology
3.1.
Re: Tradition From: tiddlywinksoldbean

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1a.

Pagans in the media - UK

Posted by: "Media Officer" media@paganawareness.net.au   pan_inc_media

Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:37 am (PST)



Spare a thought for U.K. Pagans... the Daily Mail likes its sensationalist coverage.

I wonder if it marks a return to the halcyon days of Alex Sanders and the News of the World?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1328968/Pagans-march--harmless-eccentrics-dangerous-cult.html

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Gavin Andrew
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Re: Pagans in the media - UK

Posted by: "Graham" grahfurn@yahoo.com.au   grahfurn

Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:29 am (PST)



Many thanks for posting the link to this interesting article Gavin - it seems that you can't stop progress, though the objections quoted are of no surprise.
BB Graham.

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From: Media Officer <media@paganawareness.net.au>
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagans in the media - UK
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Received: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 10:37 PM

 

Spare a thought for U.K. Pagans... the Daily Mail likes its sensationalist coverage.

I wonder if it marks a return to the halcyon days of Alex Sanders and the News of the World?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1328968/Pagans-march--harmless-eccentrics-dangerous-cult.html

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Gavin Andrew

PAN Media Officer

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Re: Pagans in the media - UK

Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:31 am (PST)



Thanks Gavin - I've passed this story along to our Facebook Page. I
think as a report it's a very encouraging sign and indicates paganism
(in all it's many guises) has something of value to provide to people
on several levels - spiritually, culturally and with ecological issues.

vinum sabbati,
Tim 'ozpagan'

On 12/11/2010, at 10:37 PM, Media Officer wrote:

> Spare a thought for U.K. Pagans... the Daily Mail likes its
> sensationalist coverage.
>
> I wonder if it marks a return to the halcyon days of Alex Sanders
> and the News of the World?
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1328968/Pagans-march--
> harmless-eccentrics-dangerous-cult.html

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Re: Pagans in the media - UK

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:17 am (PST)



Hi Gavin.

Thanks for posting this. I've seen a lot worse stories covering the subject. Perhaps the sacrificing virgins etc allegations in the press may yet become a thing of the past?

Still a way to go though. Harmless eccentrics at best! Hmmm.

Bill.

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> Spare a thought for U.K. Pagans... the Daily Mail likes its sensationalist coverage.
>
> I wonder if it marks a return to the halcyon days of Alex Sanders and the News of the World?
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1328968/Pagans-march--harmless-eccentrics-dangerous-cult.html
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> (You may have to cut and paste into your browser)
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> Gavin Andrew
> PAN Media Officer
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Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:37 pm (PST)



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Re: Tradition

Posted by: "tiddlywinksoldbean" tiddlywinksoldbean@yahoo.com.au   tiddlywinksoldbean

Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:51 pm (PST)



I really should know better CB, but some of your assumptions in this post just beg a challenge.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@...> wrote:
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> Sean,
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "tiddlywinksoldbean" <tiddlywinksoldbean@> wrote:
> >
> > Ah I think I see it now. You don't have any beliefs, so that puts you in a position of superiority and enables you to sit back on your "no beliefs" throne and attack the beliefs of others.
>
> No thrones about it - if something makes no sense (such as the statement "more violent = more honest"), criticism naturally follows.

Now if you had said "makes no sense to me" I'd not have a problem, but "makes no sense" implies it makes no sense to anyone. Clearly untrue No? I know quite a few that it would make sense to.
>
> > Well CB you do have beliefs. The rejection of other beliefs is a belief in its self.
>
> No it isn't actually. If I do not happen to have ever seen a reason to believe something, that is not a belief in itself. I am not actively disbelieving in something, I am simply not actively believing in something.

Hmmm! You are saying you can reject a point of view/opinion/belief without having an alternate one? You reject a statement, ie "that those who take power by the gun are at least more honest than those who take it by chicanery". ipsofacto you hold an opinion/view/belief that they are not? Twaddle CB! Twaddle and nonsense.
>
> This is the sort of non-argument which Catholic Priests use.

Do they? Ok ,I'll take your word for it. But how is that relevant?
>
>
> >You think Gillard better than Rudd. Another belief.
>
> No, it isn't a belief (of the kind we're dealing with), but an evaluation based on evidence. NOT TRADITION.

Oh dear this is just too precious. "Not the kind we are dealing with" Care to give some sort of clarification? A belief is a belief and a belief by any other name is still a belief.
>
> >You think taking power by force of arms is bad - sorry CB, but another belief.
>
> No, it is actually a demonstrable fact which has been proven time and time again, and has led to the evolution of the democratic process, as it leaves behind fewer injuries and orphans. That makes it better in nearly everyone's books.

Horse feathers CB. How many people are going to agree with you that taking power in Japan at the point of a - Well a nuclear bomb actually- wasn't a good thing? At least from Australia's perspective.
>
> >You dismiss traditions as nonsense. Yep another belief.
>
> No, I don't dismiss "traditions" as nonsense. I dismiss nonsense as nonsense, and if it happens to be part of a tradition, it in no way affects its status as nonsense or sense. It isn't a belief, but process of demonstration and fact which attends criticism.

Demonstration of fact?? Gee all I've seen from you is opinions. Not even terribly widely held beliefs. Facts? Geez CB you really need to delineate your opinions from fact. Fact indicates inarguable self evident truth. As you have seen the very fact that your opinions are argued about sort of knocks your "facts" into a cocked hat.
>
> > There is not much distinction between "beliefs" and "opinions".
>
> But there is a yawning gulf between both of these and demonstrable fact.

Yep!! No argument from me there. But why do you persist in claiming your opinions equal facts?
>
> > Oh and thanks for talking down to me and inferring I'm too dumb to read or understand your posts.
>
> You referred to something which I have repeatedly denied, which indicated you had not read them.

No. I read them just didn't accept your denials
>
>
> >I think Bill has the right idea.
>
> A belief which has been shown is indefensible and for which you have not presented a coherent or reasonable argument.

There you go again! Indefensible? Rubbish CB. A lot more people than you think would agree that not only is the view defensible but actually cuts through the bullsh-- and makes a pretty valid comment
Of course it IS opinion only, but indefensible? Think not!

But I will defend your right to believe it.

Well I'll give you points for that.
>
> >No point in any further dialogue with anyone who argues as if their opinions are indisputable facts.
>
> Sean, some things in this world actually are indisputable facts, and some things are not. One of those things is that the statement :
>
> "can we really completely separate the motivations of the Husseins and the Gillards (/Howards/Rudds)? Aren't both seeking power over their people to push their own agendas even if that is at the expense of the living standards of their people? Only difference is one uses the machine gun, the other the propaganda machine."
>
> ...is ridiculous, because it misses the pretty obvious fact that one results in murder -- with all its real-world consequences, and the other one does not.

That's how you see it, and like you, I'll defend your right to see it so, but not your right to ridicule those who don't share your view and call their opinions ridiculous while professing yours to be indisputable "fact".
>
> My rejection of violence as the first step in the process of dispute resolution is not a belief, it is a policy based on evaluation of the real world - and not a ridiculous medievalist fantasy.

And a lot of us would see your view on that as pie in the sky Utopian twaddle. No one I know likes violence, but do accept it is necessary in extreme instances, and yes as in wars fought to repel would be invaders very desirable.

I think that's my lot on this topic, probably wasted my time replying to this one, but being a good Satanist and the Devil urging me on, well you know:-)

Sean.

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