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1.1.: Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: barbtrad

2.1.: Initiation From: Christopher

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1.1.: Re: Witchcraft in Germany

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au barbtrad

Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:35 pm (PST)

Indeed Scott, Indeed!

Not that one would expect those of today's world to uphold the, perhaps (or perhaps not) outdated mores and etiquettes of our ancestors. Nor indeed the rules of hospitality and the rules of engagement, including the do's and don't's when meeting or introduction.

I find myself more comfortable with the older ways, but hey one isn't likely to encounter others of a similar feather these days. I always get a bit of a giggle thinking of some modern thinking person grinning widely ( or as it would have been seen then..baring the teeth... and rushing up to hug one of the princes or noblemen of ancient times in the land of my ancestors:-)

Bill.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "scott_bisseker" <nu_scott@...> wrote:
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> Greetings All,
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> To my mind, whether or not we agree that 'considering everyone as "nice before naughty" is a good thing' is a much lesser thing than noting that if there is one thing history does not bear out - it is the idea that "our" collective "forebears" held such views as "ally before prospective enemy" very often.
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> I like to be nice to people when I can but those who came before me are quite clear that such is a new and rather novel all but alien point of view - as does actual research rather than proceeding on how we might like things to have been. Unsurprisingly to me this rather holds as rule rather than exception across teh paths from "I just use magic" through to more "family" or "community" descended groupings.
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> Subsisto
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> Scott
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2.1.: Initiation

Posted by: "Christopher" thoughtful_outsider@yahoo.com thoughtful_outsider

Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:42 pm (PST)

Something for us to consider...

Initiation means beginning. In Magic(k), witchcraft and other spiritual paths it has two meanings. First is simply you start your journey, enter training, start looking for a teacher, a community, a group, a coven. The second is the process you go through to gain membership of said group, coven, path. It is the first step toward participating in a circle of the wise (both witch and wicca are words referring to wise people).

In the warrior version of the path to wisdom and power this process means prove yourself worthy, that the quality of your conscioousness is of a type that suits the group you are seeking to join. Your involvement in the group is so profound, intimate and powerful that you are going to effect each other's destiny so you want to be sure that the right people are hooked up together. There is an outer or public cycle of rituals and an inner cycle. The warrior's approach sets up a heirarchy between these two and may actually have a number of steps between. Power is an act of will that overcomes all obstacles in a world of struggle.

The lovers approach is that the spirit is infinite, that each of us meets those we need to and that our destiny is free and flexible, that each person will understand what they are ready to and naturally evolve into the right understanding. Power is a negotiated experience shared by all and it is arrogant to hide truth and wisdom, we must trust in the great flow of the Goddesses and Gods.

Most paths fall between these two, even mix them up sometimes. And of course there is much more to them than these simplifications. Initiation is the discovery of these deep processes and truths.

If you are free tonight we are meeting in Glebe for a discussion and maybe a little practice, of the public type.
Address Well Connected Cafe
35 Glebe Point Rd Glebe.
RSVP 0412716238
Cost: $0 (though you might want to eat or drink so the cafe appreciates our presence)

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