Messages In This Digest (10 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Witchfather - A Life of Gerald Gardner From: Ozpagan
- 2a.
- 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner? From: Ozpagan
- 2b.
- Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner? From: Mel
- 2c.
- Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner? From: Tish
- 2d.
- Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner? From: Ozpagan
- 2e.
- Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner? From: Mel
- 2f.
- Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner? From: Tish
- 3.1.
- Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: Andrew Boyd
- 3.2.
- Re: Witchcraft in Germany From: mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au
- 4a.
- Re: Teen beaten to death for witchcraft suspicion (UK) From: mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: Witchfather - A Life of Gerald Gardner
Posted by: "Ozpagan" timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com wwwozpagancom
Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:24 pm (PST)
Thanks Caroline, this looks very interesting. Worth following up.
I'll have to say their marketing strategy is odd though; surely it would make more sense to sell copies of the actual book with an option for a free ebook now while you wait for the print copy.
Vinum sabbati,
Tim
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Caroline Tully" <heliade@...com > wrote:
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> Forwarding….
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> Subject: [thewicca] Witchfather - A Life of Gerald Gardner
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> You might like to know that my new biography of Gerald Gardner is now
> available in electronic (pdf) format. Details are given below. The printed
> version will follow shortly.
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> New eBook releases by Philip Heselton through Thoth Publications
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> Witchfather
> A Life of Gerald Gardner
> Volume 1. Into the Witch Cult, 330 Pages
> Volume 2. From Witch Cult to Wicca, 426 pages
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> eBooks priced at only £6.99 each are available now to read from
> www.thoth.co.uk
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> Printed books available soon
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> From the author of the highly acclaimed "Wiccan Roots", this is the first
> full-length biography of Gerald Brosseau Gardner (1884-1964) - a very
> personal tale of the man who single-handedly brought about the revival of
> witchcraft in England in the mid 20th Century.
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> From his birth into an old family of wealthy Liverpool merchants, through an
> unconventional upbringing by his flamboyant governess in the resorts of the
> Mediterranean and Madeira, it tells how, having taught himself to read, his
> life was changed by finding a book on spiritualism.
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> During a working life as a tea and rubber planter in Ceylon, Borneo and
> Malaya, he came to know the native people and was invited to their secret
> rituals.
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> But it was only on his retirement to England, settling on the edge of the
> New Forest in Hampshire, that destiny took him firmly by the hand. Through
> various twists and turns involving naturist clubs and a strange esoteric
> theatre, he became friends with a group of people who eventually revealed
> their true identity - they were members of a surviving witch coven.
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> One evening in 1939, as the hounds of war were being unleashed, he was
> initiated into the witch cult by these people, who called themselves 'the
> Wica'. Gardner was overwhelmed by the experience and was determined that the
> witch cult should survive.
>
> This book chronicles his efforts over the remaining quarter century of his
> life to ensure not only that it survived but that it would become the
> significant player on the world religious stage that it now is "the only
> religion that England has ever given the world", in the words of Ronald
> Hutton, Professor of History at the University of Bristol, who calls it "a
> very fine book: humane, intelligent, compassionate, shrewd, and based upon a
> colossal amount of primary research".
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> Born in 1946, Philip Heselton is a geographer and retired local government
> officer who has written extensively on Earth Mysteries and our spiritual
> relationship with the landscape. He has also carried out extensive research
> into the story of the modern witchcraft revival, chronicled in his books,
> "Wiccan Roots" and "Gerald Gardner and the Cauldron of Inspiration".
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> Hutton has described him as being "the most interesting, valuable and
> enjoyable author who has yet written on what is becoming one of the greatest
> riddles in the history of modern religion: the origins of pagan witchcraft.
> … Nobody has ever done more than Philip Heselton to reveal the world of
> magic, paganism, naturism and faerie that lay behind the garden gates of
> inter-war English suburban villas; and perhaps only he could have done it at
> all."
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> eBooks priced at only £6.99 each are available now to read from
> www.thoth.co.uk
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> Printed books available soon
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- 2a.
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2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
Posted by: "Ozpagan" timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com wwwozpagancom
Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:44 pm (PST)
Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.
If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.
While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.
This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?
As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when you look at activity on each platform.
Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of "sharing".
Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their friends.
This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's something important happening.
I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
Posted by: "Mel" layladel@netspace.net.au ishtar_scion
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:14 pm (PST)
Put is this way... If I’d known you were on facebook I would have joined/liked sooner.
Mel
From: Ozpagan
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 5:43 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
Posted by: "Tish" deborahs23@optusnet.com.au morticia_its_me
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:38 pm (PST)
I will not use facebook I do have a very old account there..
but like so many others who feel the same as I
as far as facebook goes I am simply not interested in
being part of that site..
Tish
-------Original Message-------
From: Mel
Date: 15/01/2012 6:14:13 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted
themselves into a corner?
Put is this way... If I’d known you were on facebook I would have
joined/liked sooner.
Mel
From: Ozpagan
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 5:43 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves
into a corner?
I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup
community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with
the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think
could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a
future?
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
Posted by: "Ozpagan" timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com wwwozpagancom
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:41 pm (PST)
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Mel" <layladel@..com .> wrote:
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> Put is this way... If I'd known you were on facebook I would have joined/liked sooner.
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> Mel
Haha. Yes and I guess the conclusion I'd draw from your comment is that you wouldn't have necessarily gone looking any further, and effectively Yahoo would have been bypassed.
If you've tried both you'll have noted we get a lot more thoughtful discussions on this eGroup compared to our Facebook Page & Group. Speaking personally, I really appreciate the time and effort members take to provide us with their content here.
There's another issue which challenges the popularity of Yahoo Groups and that's the distinct lack of graphics. You can't see who you are listening/talking to, and you certainly can't see their shared photos are very easily either.
@Mel. What do think you'd like to see with Yahoo groups like WitchesWorkshop?
vinum sabbati,
Tim
- 2e.
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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
Posted by: "Mel" layladel@netspace.net.au ishtar_scion
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:47 pm (PST)
Oh no I love my groups!
Facebook and Yahoo groups are two very different things. You just can’t have a good discussion on facebook.
What I do like about facebook is the sharing of articles and videos. I’d probably never click on a link in a yahoo email.
Mel
From: Ozpagan
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 6:41 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
--- In mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroup s.com, "Mel" <layladel@.. .> wrote:
>
> Put is this way... If I'd known you were on facebook I would have joined/liked sooner.
>
> Mel
Haha. Yes and I guess the conclusion I'd draw from your comment is that you wouldn't have necessarily gone looking any further, and effectively Yahoo would have been bypassed.
If you've tried both you'll have noted we get a lot more thoughtful discussions on this eGroup compared to our Facebook Page & Group. Speaking personally, I really appreciate the time and effort members take to provide us with their content here.
There's another issue which challenges the popularity of Yahoo Groups and that's the distinct lack of graphics. You can't see who you are listening/talking to, and you certainly can't see their shared photos are very easily either.
@Mel. What do think you'd like to see with Yahoo groups like WitchesWorkshop?
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
Posted by: "Tish" deborahs23@optusnet.com.au morticia_its_me
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:50 pm (PST)
I certainly would like for yahoo groups to soldier on..
hopefully they will not be another geo cities as in never being heard
from again..
I with two friends have a couple of groups one aprrox 5,700 members
the other approx 6,500 members on the lists..the lists are for us
at present very, very active.....anyone wanna invite..*g*
We also have been in pretty regular contact with yahoo they
have an e.group for anyone to join so to update you on group
changes etc..actually there are two such groups that you can
join to keep updated.. And queries are also answered
on those two groups..
Tish
-------Original Message-------
From: Ozpagan
Date: 15/01/2012 5:44:26 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves
into a corner?
Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of
the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an
indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to
what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like
it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking
word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.
If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be
it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets
(eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even
laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply
communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.
While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo
Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page
instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how
difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.
This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop
Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this
mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big
sister on Yahoo?
As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while
it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the
Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when
you look at activity on each platform.
Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see
their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece
about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and
some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of
sharing".
Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several
stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read
these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their
friends.
This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a
moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go
to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's
something important happening.
I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup
community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with
the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think
could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a
future?
vinum sabbati,
Tim
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Re: Witchcraft in Germany
Posted by: "Andrew Boyd" facibus@gmail.com wiccancourse2004
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:15 pm (PST)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, john colley <Helliconia54@yahoo.com. >wrote:au
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> During one of his first speaches.BUT you are right.To admit fault is
> admitting fault with basic doctrine.
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I believe that the pope apologised to the Jewish people for years of
persecution and handing some over to the Nazis - from memory, this was not
extended to any other victim of the RC church, either Christian heretic or
any other non-believer.
Best regards, Andrew
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Andrew Boyd
http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss
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Re: Witchcraft in Germany
Posted by: "mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au" mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au mardi_wallis
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:22 pm (PST)
I believe in giving everyone an equal chance I also believe in first impressions my first impressions are usually right.
But if I get a bad first impression you still get a chance.
You just get less chances.
To be honest in my mind everyone is a threat or say enemy until proven otherwise.
Sent from my iPod
On 05/01/2012, at 7:57 AM, Leif Njordsson <godhi@elderway.org > wrote:
> G'day Christoper,
>
> "if not kin then enemy" it is a good expression of enemy mentality, the
> idea that we should assume that those around us are more likely to be
> enemies then friends."
>
> Your suggestion that the above perspective is flawed is not borne out by
> reality. Thousands of years of reality bear out that the fact that, on
> the balance of probabilities, the above statement is a truism.
> Throughout history it has been shown that "not friend" = "enemy",
> because people who are not friends most often become enemies when
> detente becomes strained. I am not suggesting that kin cannot become
> enemies, only that it is less likely. We spend our lives assessing and
> balancing risk. Much of that assessment is built around survival truisms
> which we have accumulated over many generations to the point where it is
> thought by some to be almost "programmed" into us, in a similar way that
> animals have instinctual knowledge programmed into them. That knowledge
> tells us that "difference" = potential enemy until proven otherwise.
>
> I am not suggesting that the above justifies attacking others. But I am
> suggesting that assuming someone is a 'friend" until proven otherwise is
> naive, and will more likely than not work to your detriment. A stranger
> who turns up on my doorstep, blowing smoke up my arse, about how
> wonderful, wise and respected I am, does not necessarily have my best
> welfare in their hearts and should be assumed to be toxic until proven
> otherwise. I suspect that if a kinsman did the same thing, I would also
> be wondering if their agenda had my best interests at heart.
>
> Be well
>
> Leif
>
> On 3/01/2012 9:48 AM, Christopher Michaels wrote:
> >
> > Billl spoken like a true warrior... "if not kin then enemy" it is a
> > good expression of enemy mentality, the idea that we should assume
> > that those around us are more likely to be enemies then friends. This
> > is exactl;y what people like George Bush and the Christians use to
> > justify their attacks on people who disagreed with them, who were
> > different... it is a justification for attacking the different, namely
> > us, the counter/alternative cultures...
> >
> > What is an enemy? Someone who wants to hurt you, intentionally... the
> > 'intentionally', to me is important. This means they feel threatened
> > by something about you. Those like the Christians and some types of
> > dictatorial conservatives and radical lefties who believe that being
> > different, even more being other, being unknown, a stranger, is
> > enough for you to be threatening. I prefer to be open to the unknown
> > with a readiness for friend and enemy but assuming on probabilities
> > that majority of people aren't looking for a fight and so are more
> > likely to be friend or neutrally uninterested in me, then assuming
> > people are black or white, either enemy or kin.
> >
> > I think the beauty of polytheism, paganism is that it lets us see
> > things in rainbows of many colours, not simply in black & white
> > terms... there is kin, friend, tribal member, ally, interested
> > neutral, non-interested neutral, accidentally harmful, intentionally
> > and temporarily enemy, permanently and intentionally enemy... for
> > example...
> >
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > http://deepconnecttantra.com
> > http://wildmandrake.deviantart. com
> > http://www.myspace.com/wildmandrake
> > Skype ID: wildmandrake
> >
> > "to achieve change we must step outside and view the situation from a
> > new angle"
> > "life doesn't travel so fast if you're paying attention."
> >
> > from the movie 'stay'- Henry Letham: ...Tristan Rêveur quote about bad
> > art? It's "bad art is more tragically beautiful than good art 'cause
> > it documents human failure."
> >
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Re: Teen beaten to death for witchcraft suspicion (UK)
Posted by: "mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au" mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au mardi_wallis
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:19 pm (PST)
It is sad that stuff like this still happens but in some country's it is what they really believe my sister was in paua new giunea (I can't spell that at this time in the morning) and saw two women get tortured because they were apparently witch and had take the livers of two men who had recently died (there were no obvious signs there livers were taken no incision marks but in their culture witches can do that.) My sister a young anthropologist saw that they were obviously innocent but had no choice but to watch them suffer as they were forced to lay on hot coals for days. She was forbidden from giving them any medical treatment.
The thing is they truly believed these women were witches and that they ate these deceased men's livers.
Sent from my iPod
On 06/01/2012, at 9:09 AM, Graham <grahfurn@yahoo.com.au > wrote:
> Isn't it interesting that just the mention of the word "witch" - doesn't matter in what context - is all that is needed for the reporter to sensationalize it out of the overwhelming brutality and ignorance of the whole thing...
>
> Thanks for sharing this news clip CB
> Cheers & BB, Graham.
>
> _____________________ _________ __
> From: carteblanche13 <carteblanche13@yahoo.com. >au
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, 6 January 2012 12:21 AM
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Teen beaten to death for witchcraft suspicion (UK)
>
>
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> 15 year old (African immigrant) killed by his relatives with a variety of tools in a council flat in London.
>
> A clear case of demonic possession if ever there was one.
>
> http://news.sky.com/home/ uk-news/article/ 16142959
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