Messages In This Digest (6 Messages)
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- Hi all. New to the Workshop and would love some advise... From: pixierose@y7mail.com
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- Re: Hi all. New to the Workshop and would love some advise... From: carteblanche13
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- hello all From: Jason Blackburn
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- Hail and well met! From: Elva
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- Re: Thanks - Re: Now this, my friends, is how it's done! From: Graham
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- Vials From: aine99991
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Hi all. New to the Workshop and would love some advise...
Posted by: "pixierose@y7mail.com" pixierose@y7mail.com pixierose@y7mail.com
Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:43 am (PST)
I've been working in my Circle for many years now with 4 glass vials each filled with items relating to each of the elements, which I place on the corners. However, my Water vial has turned a sickly yellow and has floaty bits in. In your opinion, would it be best to ignore the sentimental significance and connection I have with this vial and replace it, as two of the key ideas connected with water are purity and cleansing? Or is it more important to respect the link I have with this particular water and leave it as is?
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Re: Hi all. New to the Workshop and would love some advise...
Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au carteblanche13
Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:08 am (PST)
Hi there pixierose,
It sounds like a lesson is being presented by the undines!
Water Changes -- itself, and the things it contacts.
Water flows.
Water contains the contradictory properties of purity (cleansing) and life-supporting (filthy).
That vial of water which you have seems to have probably spawned bacteria which has made the yellow gunge you mention. Sentiment (=sediment) is only of temporary significance.
Purity is not a static or inert quality, it is an active quality which in the case of water comes from its FLOWING. Anything which is TOTALLY "pure" is sterile, or dead, as in "add a drop of disinfectant", but the result of this is most certainly not "pure water" anymore but instead is a composite element with artificially enforced sterility. Even boiled water will support life again once it cools and if exposed to air will receive bacteria colonies after time. The alternative is stagnation, which is also impure due to the increase of organisms in it. What you want is real Water, not disinfected water (and obviously you do have real water, which is why it supports life).
The other part of the nature of water is fecundity, fruitfulness, life-supporting.
In other words, of necessity, it relates to the other elements in the real world (which is where we and our magical implements actually are), not the ideal world of "systems" and mere symbols.
To honour the actual nature of Water as pure, cleansing, flowing and life-supporting and time-marking, all simultaneously, perhaps you could "sacrifice" the contents of the vial after conclusion of a certain period of time (after each ritual maybe, or after each month, etc., or day or week etc.) to support another life-form which you have consecrated to that purpose, perhaps pour it on a plant (which might, and perhaps should, form part of your Earth - quarter shrine?) That way it is pure each time you draw it anew, it cleanses the vessel that it is held in, and it fulfils its natural destiny to support life as well, but all appropriately, and with relevance to your own personal Service to the spirits of the elements.
To further reinforce the natures of the manifest elements as containing compound properties, I like to think of the watery triplicity of the zodiac as representing types of the element: Cancer as Cardinal water is "new" flowing water or rain; Scorpio as fixed water is the open ocean; Pisces as mutable is a still reflective pool which can become stagnant and needs replenishing with the first type again in order to be cleansed. Time as a cycle.
Best regards
C.B.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "pixierose@.com .." <pixierose@. ..> wrote:
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> I've been working in my Circle for many years now with 4 glass vials each filled with items relating to each of the elements, which I place on the corners. However, my Water vial has turned a sickly yellow and has floaty bits in. In your opinion, would it be best to ignore the sentimental significance and connection I have with this vial and replace it, as two of the key ideas connected with water are purity and cleansing? Or is it more important to respect the link I have with this particular water and leave it as is?
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hello all
Posted by: "Jason Blackburn" j.lblackburn@yahoo.com.au j.lblackburn
Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:43 am (PST)
hi there my name is jason i am 40 years old and interested in witchraft and the occult i am form melbourne looking for a active coven
Regardas
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Fr.IHS
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Hail and well met!
Posted by: "Elva" elesiawinds@yahoo.com elesiawinds
Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:45 am (PST)
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Re: Thanks - Re: Now this, my friends, is how it's done!
Posted by: "Graham" grahfurn@yahoo.com.au grahfurn
Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:13 am (PST)
Regarding the following comment from C.B....
"I have but only occasionally found actual Minibars in your average hotel
room to be stairways to heaven of the Dionysian kind, purgatory occurs
on check-out day when the bill is presented!"
Ooooops - should have been "Minbar"... seems like that one was a very big Freudian slip!
But I can't say that I disagree with you...
BB Graham.
PS Besides, Saladin probably did have a Minibar anyway :)
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From: carteblanche13 <carteblanche13@yahoo.com. >au
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Thanks - Re: Now this, my friends, is how it's done!
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Received: Sunday, 28 November, 2010, 7:43 PM
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Graham <grahfurn@..com .> wrote:
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> Greetings CB
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> Yes I agree - the architectural decline does seem to have gone hand in hand with the rise of economic rationalism. However, fortunately there are still examples where little expense has been spared to create the sacred. This makes me think of an excellent documentary that I caught on the tv a few months ago <turned over to it after it had commenced, and started recording it after it got about half way through - when I realized what an amazing story was being told!>. The program was on ABC 2 and was called "Stairway to Heaven". I just did a web search and found the following link to a review of the documentary:
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> http://www.throng.com.au/documenta ry/stairway- heaven
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> The documentary tells the story of the re-creation of an amazing sacred Islamic artifact, the Minibar of Saladin, a preaching pulpit that also represented a symbolic stairway to the heavens, which was originally created some 900 years ago from hundreds of individual pieces of timber, all perfectly fitted and interlocking without glue to form the stairway, plus a myriad of sacred geometrical patterns within. Sacred geometry is considered to be a profound expression of a higher universal order by the followers of Islam - which mind you, I am no expert on, but I imagine that there is, like with many religions, a mystical component to the practice of this religion, or its offshoots <e.g. Sufism?>, where such things would be expanded upon greatly.
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Dear Graham,
Wow. I remember hearing about this Stairway ages ago but only in passing and never followed it up. This is why the Romans built in marble, and why so much stuff of theirs is still around! Their neighbours and early victims, the Etruscans, built almost entirely in wood (as did the Celts and other Northerners, which is why nothing is left - all cinders...can you imagine? Rivendell, anyone?! lol). Thanks for this info -- I look forward to spending more time in looking at it.
Regarding Sufism it is my understanding that Sufism is, rather than being "an offshoot of Islam", instead a remnant of pre-Islamic Gnosticsim of a sort, which managed to incorporate Islam (the typical exoteric orthodoxy) into itself in order to survive. The fact that Sufi saints were executed as heretics (cf. Mansur Al-Hallaj) points in this direction as well.
> This priceless artifact was destroyed by fire by a crazed Christian fundamentalist in 1969.
The designation "crazed" is super-erogatory if you have already called them "fundamentalist Christian", but I see your point! :-)
> Fortunately some photographs of the structure remained, from which its reconstruction could be based. Many of the required craft skills required recreate the Minibar had been lost over the years,
Let me say how enjoyable I find the name of this thing: "Minibar".
I have but only occasionally found actual Minibars in your average hotel room to be stairways to heaven of the Dionysian kind, purgatory occurs on check-out day when the bill is presented!
> however fortunately they were still to be found in a few. Also, the entire project would not have been possible if not for royal sponsorship <just like in the old days> - so no economic rationalism there!
Quite. This is one of the reasons why I am a staunch monarchist. Only the inhabitants of a worldview where "symbol" is literally EVERYTHING can such things occur.
> It took 30 years to recreate the minibar. The documentary is well worth a look if it screens on the tv again. Also, here's a link to a book about it:
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> http://www.thamesandhudsonusa. com/new/fall08/ 523843.htm
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> Might have to look for that book next time I go a browsing :)
> Brightest blessings, Graham.
Many thanks for all the interesting and helpful links and info Graham.
C.B.
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Vials
Posted by: "aine99991" aine99991@yahoo.com aine99991
Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:10 am (PST)
Pixierose it would be advisable to replemish each of your vials at regular intervals. In each vial you have cut off the oxygen supply and therefore created anaerobic conditions. The water vial should smell when you reintroduce it to air and the bacteria you are growing need to be disposed of. In your earth vial the same thing applies. We all need air (oxygen) to breath and the soil in particular needs the nitrogen that that air provides for its well being and the well being of the microclimate that exists therein. Your air vial now contains stale air and the four directions of your circle rely on the winds and there is no wind in your air vial (better off with incense than a vial) air is movement and life, we breath otherwise we die. I do not know what you have in your fire vial (must be hot!!!) but fire also must have air or it too dies. Sorry to rain on your parade but that is how it is. Read up on plants and environmental conditions. Blessings Aine
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