luni, 28 martie 2011

[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4691

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1a.

Re: Sex Party Posters Ordered Down at Church Polling Booth

Posted by: "Hania Trzaskowski" purring_cougar_kitten@hotmail.com   chirinka_natural_therapies

Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:17 am (PDT)



I would personally hope that the catholic church survives and does not erode
away - and changes to meet the pastoral needs of their followers today
without the need to resort to this kind of political behaviour of the few.

Ive had some wonderful experiences within the catholic church and faith and
some bad ones, as much as ive had some wonderful experiences within the
pagan faith as well as horrible experiences that would make most people want
to run for the hills.

I would be just as offended if a 'pagan' decided to get rid of a poster for
the Christian party, even though i'd never vote for them myself.

It would be lovely to see 'pagans' not accept the unacceptable behaviour
itself, rather than vilify the religion of the person doing the behaviour.
After all, we complain when members of other faiths do that about pagans,
thinking we are all satanic paedophiles who like to punch eachother up,
just because of the behaviour of a few individuals or groups...

As far as "child-molesting witch-burning misogynistic frock-wearers"...i
can think of one 'pagan' who can be described this way who has tainted the
reputation of paganism in the wider community. And many others who would at
least in part fit that description. And i've seen many a pagan man in a
frock. :-P

I don't accept the behaviours that bring ill repute to the church throughout
history and modern day, but I accept and respect that the church is
something many people need and get a lot from. I don't accept Christian
bashing type behaviour along with 'pagans' persecuting eachother from this
side of the fence either, but i accept paganism as something that looks
after the spiritual needs of many, who get alot from it.

Cheers,

Hania

I do hope the Electoral Office takes action against this priest. Although I
imagine it may a diplomatic withdrawal from future use of that particular
venue. That will be a financial loss for the Church (hall hire).
These organisations (the Church) are slowly eroding away any hope of viable
future, and that is a good thing.

vinum sabbati,
Tim

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Re: Sex Party Posters Ordered Down at Church Polling Booth

Posted by: "firewuff" firewuff@gmail.com   firewuff

Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:34 pm (PDT)



Tim

Marian currently has been doing work for the Australian Sex party and has been in touch with them about this. The candidate will be approaching the NSW Electorial office today to see what their options are, they are also looking in to see if there was any breaches of the discrimination act(s) as well. It was a clear breach of the electoral act however. They have already released a press release which can be read here ( http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php/news/asp-news-a-updates/1043 ).

This wasn't the only problem they faced during that election, NSW has a lot of other obsticles to running in the election including havign to register as a part 15 months prior to the election date so the party was told it was too late to have their name on the ballots. This ment the posters in question had to be approved as "the sex party endorses independent candidate X" by the electoral commission (which they were).

I'll keep you guys up to date as I get info.

BRETT

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, ozpagan <ozpagan@...> wrote:
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> I do hope the Electoral Office takes action against this priest. Although I imagine it may a diplomatic withdrawal from future use of that particular venue. That will be a financial loss for the Church (hall hire).
> These organisations (the Church) are slowly eroding away any hope of viable future, and that is a good thing.
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>

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Re: Sex Party Posters Ordered Down at Church Polling Booth

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:37 pm (PDT)



Hania, you aint just whistling Dixie! In fact you make some very pertinent points which I shall comment on below.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Hania Trzaskowski <purring_cougar_kitten@...> wrote:
>
> I would personally hope that the catholic church survives and does not erode
> away - and changes to meet the pastoral needs of their followers today
> without the need to resort to this kind of political behaviour of the few.

Well OK> A point we differ on: I don't care a jot whether or not the Roman Catholic Church survives; and the fact is they will sink or swim according to how well they ..as you put it..." Change to meet the pastoral needs of their followers".
>
> Ive had some wonderful experiences within the catholic church and faith and
> some bad ones, as much as ive had some wonderful experiences within the
> pagan faith as well as horrible experiences that would make most people want
> to run for the hills.

Damnable solid points! As one who has had some awful experiences with both the Catholic Church, ( as a child.. and no I wasn't molested by priests,just had the misfortune to have attended their schools.. but then I suspect they were as traumatized by their association with me as I was by their association with me. Especially those Holy Men and women than received nasty nips on the earhole from my brilliantly designed catapult's missiles of resin cored solder wire!) And with quite a number of "Pagans" who literally made my skin crawl and were the worst of the worst predators and right royal creeps..And bugger me! I never got to shoot any of them with my catapult!!
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>
> I would be just as offended if a 'pagan' decided to get rid of a poster for
> the Christian party, even though i'd never vote for them myself.

Ah Ha!! Another telling point you make..Yes I wonder how a poster for the Family First party would fare at a PSG? Tolerance for some folk is only for ideas they personally agree with.. And you know what? Sorry but that aint tollerance.. Its Bullcrap!
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> It would be lovely to see 'pagans' not accept the unacceptable behaviour
> itself, rather than vilify the religion of the person doing the behaviour.
> After all, we complain when members of other faiths do that about pagans,
> thinking we are all satanic paedophiles who like to punch eachother up,
> just because of the behaviour of a few individuals or groups...

Not quite sure what your point is in that one. If you are saying creeps and vermin come from all walks of life and faiths ( or non faiths) then I agree.
>
>
>
> As far as "child-molesting witch-burning misogynistic frock-wearers"...i
> can think of one 'pagan' who can be described this way who has tainted the
> reputation of paganism in the wider community.

You my dear writer are fortunate indeed that you have only encountered one such being! I've encountered several.

And many others who would at
> least in part fit that description.

Indeed!!

And i've seen many a pagan man in a
> frock. :-P

Damn good point! And be honest, they don't look good at all do they? Bloody hideous in most cases.
>
>
>
> I don't accept the behaviours that bring ill repute to the church throughout
> history and modern day, but I accept and respect that the church is
> something many people need and get a lot from. I don't accept Christian
> bashing type behaviour along with 'pagans' persecuting eachother from this
> side of the fence either, but i accept paganism as something that looks
> after the spiritual needs of many, who get alot from it.

Don't agree much with that.. but Hey ho! What matter you already made enough points to make your post well worth reading

Bill.
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>
> Cheers,
>
> Hania
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>
> I do hope the Electoral Office takes action against this priest. Although I
> imagine it may a diplomatic withdrawal from future use of that particular
> venue. That will be a financial loss for the Church (hall hire).
> These organisations (the Church) are slowly eroding away any hope of viable
> future, and that is a good thing.
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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1d.

Re: Sex Party Posters Ordered Down at Church Polling Booth

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:30 pm (PDT)



Hania,

Many thanks for your excellent comments. You raise some very sensible points, and in response, let me just say that despite the militant and livid-with-outrage tone of my announcements, and my deliberately inflammatory rhetoric (fuck it, why not), a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek (one's own, btw!) ought to be assumed. That said, I meant every single word, literally, with my blood if need be.

My remark about the frock was juxtaposing the misogyny which is in fact an intrinsic part of the Roman Catechism, and was intended humorously, and ironically. I'm fond of robes myself (in winter anyway).

And THAT said, I agree with you entirely regarding how one sometimes finds "Pagan" or whatever events or groups etc. that leave one's lexicon with fresh articulations of the word "psychopath", "embarrassing", "silly" etc. It's horses for courses I suppose, largely subjective and context-dependent. But yes, they're certainly around.

In all seriousness though, the principal value (to me) of your remarks lies in their seeking "fairness", viz. your observation that you'd be equally appalled if a Pagan-owned venue tore down a Christian party's posters.

Good-o!

But a little reflection upon the fact that there ARE no pagan-owned venues with the real-estate value, capacity, location or sheer saturation that Church halls have, is an implicit part of my point.

The Sex Party, also, is not a "Pagan" or any other kind of religious party, it simply seeks to (if I remember the voting card properly) "reduce the influence of religion in politics", to de-demonize the fundamental biological and psychological human activity known as "sex" for the first time in perhaps two thousand years, and to promote freedom of speech and women's rights. And, as I mentioned, the candidate for Sydney has credentials which probably make most Federal MP's (and Catholic clergy) extremely nervous.

Your advocacy of the barbaric misogynistic anti-human revisionist cult of Catholicism I shall leave entirely alone.

The reason I referred to the various features of definitive evil that is the Catholic Church in reference to the incident is not 'vilification', but simply indicating that it is typical of the blinkered self-loathing paradigm which they preach and by evidence of which they may be typified and identified.

LEST WE FORGET: The Holy Roman Inquisition (whose descendant Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was headed by former Hitler-Youth member, and current Pope, Benedict XVI) was only snuffed out (in terms of legal power to torture, burn books, and execute for heresy) a couple of centuries ago.

This behaviour on the part of the censorious priest is not abberant, it is typical and completely Orthodox for a Roman Catholic of the traditional variety, indeed many non-Catholic Christian conservatives or (especially) Muslim Imams would likely behave in a similar fashion, it's typical of the Clerical caste: assume authority which you do not have, inflict your twisted, poisonous blinkered reality on those over whom you have power despite their objections.

The Catholic Church is at odds with the tolerant, humanist secular democracy which our amazing nation exemplifies and the sooner it dies the better (and less intolerant) everyone will be.

I am intolerant of intolerance - I simply won't put up with it.

Best regards
CB

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Hania Trzaskowski <purring_cougar_kitten@...> wrote:
>
> I would personally hope that the catholic church survives and does not erode
> away - and changes to meet the pastoral needs of their followers today
> without the need to resort to this kind of political behaviour of the few.
>
> Ive had some wonderful experiences within the catholic church and faith and
> some bad ones, as much as ive had some wonderful experiences within the
> pagan faith as well as horrible experiences that would make most people want
> to run for the hills.
>
>
>
> I would be just as offended if a 'pagan' decided to get rid of a poster for
> the Christian party, even though i'd never vote for them myself.
>
>
>
> It would be lovely to see 'pagans' not accept the unacceptable behaviour
> itself, rather than vilify the religion of the person doing the behaviour.
> After all, we complain when members of other faiths do that about pagans,
> thinking we are all satanic paedophiles who like to punch eachother up,
> just because of the behaviour of a few individuals or groups...
>
>
>
> As far as "child-molesting witch-burning misogynistic frock-wearers"...i
> can think of one 'pagan' who can be described this way who has tainted the
> reputation of paganism in the wider community. And many others who would at
> least in part fit that description. And i've seen many a pagan man in a
> frock. :-P
>
>
>
> I don't accept the behaviours that bring ill repute to the church throughout
> history and modern day, but I accept and respect that the church is
> something many people need and get a lot from. I don't accept Christian
> bashing type behaviour along with 'pagans' persecuting eachother from this
> side of the fence either, but i accept paganism as something that looks
> after the spiritual needs of many, who get alot from it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hania
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I do hope the Electoral Office takes action against this priest. Although I
> imagine it may a diplomatic withdrawal from future use of that particular
> venue. That will be a financial loss for the Church (hall hire).
> These organisations (the Church) are slowly eroding away any hope of viable
> future, and that is a good thing.
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Bardic Workshop with John Brazaitis - April 15, Melbourne

Posted by: "SunBird" fimariposa@yahoo.com.au   fimariposa

Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:34 am (PDT)



In
The House of The Baba Yaga--A Bardic Workshop With John Brazaitis

Friday
April 15 2011
Doors
Open: 7pm
Workshop Start Time: 7:30pm  -  Finishing Time: 10pm

@
Brunswick North West Primary School Hall
Culloden
Street (cnr Wales), West Brunswick (Melbourne)
(Parking
Available in Culloden & Wales Streets or Catch No. 55 'West
Coburg' Tram)

Join us for an
evening workshop exploring the rich tradition of story, myth and
magick. We'll be looking into how oral traditions differ from modern
print traditions, what these traditions can tell us about the peoples
who created them, the quirks by which the stories themselves came
down to us, and how to work with and interpret the often problematic
nature of traditional material.

This presentation is
not intended to be a dry academic exposition, but rather we'll let
the stories themselves take centre stage. We'll be working primarily
with material from Northern and Eastern Europe, whose ancient roots
can be traced back to the Grandmother of Time herself, with more
modern additions being provided by the many and varied peoples who
travelled the Amber and silk roads.

This workshop is
intended to be access able and enjoyable for all ages and levels of
experience.

John Brazaitis is
a long-time Pagan teacher in the Reclaiming tradition. He is a noted
storyteller of international reputation, who began learning old
stories from his family as a child. He has spent most of his life in
the American midwest, where he currently lives, working as a
beekeeper.

Workshop price: $ 20 Full or $15 concession

Please bring a plate
of vegetarian food to share for supper. Tea and coffee provided.
Please also bring
your own cushion/s to sit on and a journal and pens for taking notes.

For information and
bookings, please contact:

Fiona Mariposa Ph.
9384 1082 or Sandra Lacey Mob. 0425 757 937

This event is
proudly sponsored by the Australian Reclaiming Community
www.australiareclaiming.org.au

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Introduction to Pearl Pentacle Workshop with Ravyn Stanfield April 1

Posted by: "SunBird" fimariposa@yahoo.com.au   fimariposa

Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:53 am (PDT)




Greetings Everyone,Those of you who live in Melbourne may be interested in this...Ravyn Stanfield is one of the fantastic teachers who is coming out to teach at the first Australian WitchCamp.  She will also be offering a Pearl Pentacle workshop on the 17th of April (the weekend before Easter).  This is a unique opportunity to study this amazing tool for transformation.  As far as I know, there is no one in Australia who is qualified to teach Iron and Pearl Pentacle use, so opportunities like this don't come along very often.I have been working with the Iron Pentacle ever since studying it with Thorn Coyle during her last visit here, and I am very much looking forward to Ravyn's Pearl Pentacle workshop in April.I hope that some of you can join me there,Best Wishes,SunBird

Introducing
the Pearl Pentacle
with
Ravyn Stanfield

How
can your personal work deepen, and become beautiful?  How can we
allow our love and irritation with community to create something
exquisite?  How can we dream our healthy values awake even in
the face of an isolating dominant culture?  Dive into the five
points of the Pearl Pentacle:  Love,
Law,
Knowledge, Liberty and Wisdom.

Sunday
17th April, 2011 10:00am to 6:00pm
@
Brunswick North West Primary School Hall
Culloden
Street (cnr Wales), West Brunswick (Melbourne)
(Parking
Available in Culloden & Wales Streets or Catch No. 55 'West
Coburg' Tram)

The
Pearl Pentacle is a meditative tool of the Reclaiming and the
Feri traditions, described as 'the work of many
lifetimes'. The Pearl Pentacle integrates individual vision into
our transformative work in the world. Through movement,
voice, interactive exercises, trance and ritual, we will explore
the healing points and connections of the Pearl and channel these
powerful forces into our actions and relationships.  Some
familiarity or foundation with the Iron Pentacle will be helpful as
we begin to embody this tool and take the next steps from personal to
collective visioning.  The Pearl Pentacle is considered a core
class in the Reclaiming tradition. 

This
daylong workshop is open to adults of all genders, orientations,
cultural and spiritual backgrounds.  Please be familiar with
trance or guided meditation and/or open minded about working in a
container of sacred space with voice, movement and energy work.  

Ravyn Stanfield
is a healer, writer and educator, dedicated to liberating the unique
super powers within each of us.  She is an aspiring alchemist,
seeking to transform the heartbreak of living in our culture, and
reveal the gold in all that seems worthless.  She practices
acupuncture in Portland, OR with a focus on helping people survive
cancer, restore all parts of the soul after traumatic experiences and
fulfill their commitments to being embodied during these interesting
times.  She teaches workshops and retreats internationally. 
Her writing has been included in many publications and she is hard at
work on her first book.  She is an initiate in the Reclaiming
and Feri traditions of witchcraft.  She uses her background in
the realms of social justice, traditional medicines, Jungian
psychology, environmental activism and theatre arts to coax more of
the extraordinary into the world through the cracks in Western
civilization.  

www.ravynstanfield.com

Workshop
price: $80 full or $70 concession
BOOKINGS
ARE ESSENTIAL as places are limited.

Please
bring a plate of vegetarian food to share for lunch. Morning and
afternoon tea provided.
Please
also bring your own cushion/s to sit on and a journal and pens for
taking notes.

For
information and bookings, please contact:

Fiona
Mariposa Ph. 9384 1082 or Sandra Lacey Mob. 0425 757 937

This
event is proudly sponsored by the Australian Reclaiming Community
www.australiareclaiming.org.au

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