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1a.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article From: Jude DaShiell
1b.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article From: Blackbird
1c.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article From: gaia_d
1d.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article From: Blackbird
1e.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article From: Kalimir

2.: Ceremonial magick altar From: Kalimir

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1a.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article

Posted by: "Jude DaShiell" jdashiel@shellworld.net

Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:00 am (PDT)

Well, that leaves open a possibility that Ashira was god's Mother. For
me to accept that as a possibility though would need similar references
to other relationships between other people on pottery from the same
time period which have been established as mother and son or mother and
daughter.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, la_velvet wrote:

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> Were 'god' partnered, then marriage, and a proximity as 'wife'...would have prempted a subsequent necessity of covering 'innocence', as required of A & E, once they became 'knowledgeable' and knew their own nakedness....
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> Besides, 'gender' is also a manufacture state, in which 'god's' being would come before, and thus be free of in its particulars.
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1b.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article

Posted by: "Blackbird" blackbird_61@yahoo.com blackbird_61

Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:08 am (PDT)

What your saying only makes sense from a point of view of Yahweh as
synonymous with the actual and ultimate God Head; but I think even
devout Biblical scholars admit there was an evolution in the Hebrew
vision of God, from Polytheism, through Monolarty, to Monotheism.

This is well detailed in Jezebel: The Untold Story of the Bible's Harlot
Queen by Lesley Hazleton (Mar 17, 2009) (Which also happens just to be a
great book; as readable as any historical novel.) Another surprisingly
good resource is Zecharia Sitchen's the 12th Planet 1 Sitchen is
intimately familiar with the Dance of Gods and Goddesses in the Ancient
Near East, and the Language used to describe them, I learn something
every time I read his work.

If you read, the linked article you would see there is at least enough
evidence to make the argument, again if we don't Elevate Yahweh light
years above his neighbors and historical peers, like say An.

Blessings, BB.

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1. I read Sitchen primarily as a Linguistic Exercise, his expertise in
deconstructing the Cuneiform should not be under estimated. While I
recognize the world is chuck full of Anomalies that conventional
Archeology has no good explanation for, the Pyramids, Baalbek, Tiwanaku,
to name just a few;

I personally favor a more earthbound explanation than Sitchen, and the
possibility of a Ice Age Civilization whose fall 10,000 or so years ago
has been handed down to us through myths around the world. See: Gateway
to Atlantis: The Search for the Source of a Lost Civilization by Andrew
Collins and David Rohl (Feb 9, 2002)
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--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, "la_velvet" <la_velvet@...>
wrote:

Categorically NOT.

In biblical terms Adam and Eve were 'innocent', and thus matrimony was
neither
required nor devised, until after epulsion from 'Eden'.

Otherwise god would have demanded Adam and Eve be married from point of
their
manufacture, bearing in mind they appear to have come to life as adults.

Were 'god' partnered, then marriage, and a proximity as 'wife'...would
have
prempted a subsequent necessity of covering 'innocence', as required of
A & E,
once they became 'knowledgeable' and knew their own nakedness....

Besides, 'gender' is also a manufacture state, in which 'god's' being
would come
before, and thus be free of in its particulars.

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1c.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article

Posted by: "gaia_d" Gaia_D@yahoo.com gaia_d

Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:12 am (PDT)

--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, "Blackbird" <blackbird_61@...>
wrote:
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> What your saying only makes sense from a point of view of Yahweh as
> synonymous with the actual and ultimate God Head; but I think even
> devout Biblical scholars admit there was an evolution in the Hebrew
> vision of God, from Polytheism, through Monolarty, to Monotheism.
>
> This is well detailed in Jezebel: The Untold Story of the Bible's
Harlot
> Queen by Lesley Hazleton (Mar 17, 2009) (Which also happens just to be
a
> great book; as readable as any historical novel.) Another surprisingly
> good resource is Zecharia Sitchen's the 12th Planet 1 Sitchen is
> intimately familiar with the Dance of Gods and Goddesses in the
Ancient
> Near East, and the Language used to describe them, I learn something
> every time I read his work.

GAIA:

As much as i also find Sitchen's work fascinating, I think it should be
remembered, though, that much of it is pretty much "out there" and few
if any reputable historians or (planetary) scientists support it.

Also, it's important to understand that Asherah was only one of many
Hebrew Goddesses and representations of the Feminine Divine --

May i offer another excellent resource on this -- "The Hebrew Goddess"
by Raphael Patai -- a Hebrew scholar.

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1d.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article

Posted by: "Blackbird" blackbird_61@yahoo.com blackbird_61

Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:34 pm (PDT)

--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, "BB" wrote:

1. I read Sitchen primarily as a Linguistic Exercise, his expertise in
deconstructing the Cuneiform should not be under estimated. While I
recognize the world is chuck full of Anomalies that conventional
Archeology has no good explanation for, the Pyramids, Baalbek, Tiwanaku,
to name just a few;

--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com> , "gaia_d" <Gaia_D@...> wrote:

GAIA:

As much as i also find Sitchen's work fascinating, I think it should be
remembered, though, that much of it is pretty much "out there" and few
if any reputable historians or (planetary) scientists support it.

BB re: True but I did say my interest in his work is Linguistic, his
deconstructions of the names is most enlightening.

At the same time reputable Science will assure me Astrology is Absurd,
Tarot simply impossible and Nan just a lonely face on a 4000 year old
stone ... having personal experience to the contrary with all these
things, I Gno better; and made my break from and my peace with the
dominant Paradigm years ago.

My disagreement with Sitchen (and indeed all the Ancient Astronaught
School) lays more in that his theory in the end is still an attempt to
explain histories Anomalies in a strictly Materialist Box, and I
don't believe the truth will be found there, but time (a great deal
of time most likely) will tell.

Gaia: Also, it's important to understand that Asherah was only one of
many
Hebrew Goddesses and representations of the Feminine Divine --

May i offer another excellent resource on this -- "The Hebrew Goddess"
by Raphael Patai -- a Hebrew scholar.

BB re: At the same time I do respect that people in conventional
Academia often spend their lives researching some small aspect of the
larger whole I am interested in, and I dont toss their babies out with
the bath water, the Lesley Hazleton book I mentioned I believe you will
find is quite good, conventional scholarship; It just happens to read
with the zest and flow of a detective novel.

Stil I will definitely add your suggestion to my Amazon wish list; it
may be awhile till I can get to it, but It definitely looks like one for
the short list.

I was honestly suprised that there was no mention of the Shekinah, who I
believe was at one time her own indendent Goddess before being absorbed
into the Trinity as the "Holy Spirit" and ultimately all but lost to
history. Check out Lenard Nimoy (yes that Lenard Nemoy)'s Shekinah.

Nuff said for me for now;
Blessings, BB.

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1e.: Re: Did God Have a Wife - Article

Posted by: "Kalimir" jai_ma_kali@yahoo.com jai_ma_kali

Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:28 pm (PDT)

Proverbs 8 answers the question. Sophia was worshipped as the Queen of Heaven. The Goddess of wisdom and the Holy Spirit. Solomon was said to have Sophia given to him by god and had a marriage with Hagia Sophia. 

Jai ma kali.
On Mar 27, 2011 11:08 AM, Blackbird <blackbird_61@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

What your saying only makes sense from a point of view of Yahweh as synonymous with the actual and ultimate God Head; but I think even devout Biblical scholars admit there was an evolution in the Hebrew vision of God, from Polytheism, through Monolarty, to Monotheism.

This is well detailed in Jezebel: The Untold Story of the Bible's Harlot Queen by Lesley Hazleton (Mar 17, 2009) (Which also happens just to be a great book; as readable as any historical novel.) Another surprisingly good resource is Zecharia Sitchen's the 12th Planet 1 Sitchen is intimately familiar with the Dance of Gods and Goddesses in the Ancient Near East, and the Language used to describe them, I learn something every time I read his work.

If you read, the linked article you would see there is at least enough evidence to make the argument, again if we don't Elevate Yahweh light years above his neighbors and historical peers, like say An.

Blessings, BB.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42154769/ns/technology_and_science-science/

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1. I read Sitchen primarily as a Linguistic Exercise, his expertise in deconstructing the Cuneiform should not be under estimated. While I recognize the world is chuck full of Anomalies that conventional Archeology has no good explanation for, the Pyramids, Baalbek, Tiwanaku, to name just a few;

I personally favor a more earthbound explanation than Sitchen, and the possibility of a Ice Age Civilization whose fall 10,000 or so years ago has been handed down to us through myths around the world. See: Gateway to Atlantis: The Search for the Source of a Lost Civilization by Andrew Collins and David Rohl (Feb 9, 2002)
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--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, "la_velvet" <la_velvet@...> wrote:

Categorically NOT.

In biblical terms Adam and Eve were 'innocent', and thus matrimony was neither
required nor devised, until after epulsion from 'Eden'.

Otherwise god would have demanded Adam and Eve be married from point of their
manufacture, bearing in mind they appear to have come to life as adults.

Were 'god' partnered, then marriage, and a proximity as 'wife'...would have
prempted a subsequent necessity of covering 'innocence', as required of A & E,
once they became 'knowledgeable' and knew their own nakedness....

Besides, 'gender' is also a manufacture state, in which 'god's' being would come
before, and thus be free of in its particulars.

 

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Ceremonial magick altar

Posted by: "Kalimir" jai_ma_kali@yahoo.com jai_ma_kali

Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:10 am (PDT)

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This is my temporary ceremonial magick altar. As you can see the traditional tools of the Golden Dawn is on the altar and the medicine bottle is filled with incense I made called Invoke Spirits. The Triangle of Art with the mirrow is on the floor. This stays out of the double circle. I was calling a goetic spirit. I'm sure some of you know about the Goetia. Goetia means Howlings. Aleister Cowley used it quiite a bit. This was my temple room but unfortuanatly since I needed money a room mate lives there now. One day I will have my ritual temple oom back until then I use the living room. I have a cat who loves ritual and behaved even durrng serious rituals such as the Goetia. He wouldn't even attack the two rings of yarn to mark the boundries of the physical double circle. 

Kalimir

Jai ma kali.

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