Messages In This Digest (6 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: wiccan bible From: Mara
- 2.1.
- Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border.. From: frances_tdm
- 2.2.
- Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border.. From: Matthieu Morelle
- 2.3.
- Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border.. From: Matthieu Morelle
- 3a.
- Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again From: barbtrad
- 4a.
- Re: Anglicans set to collapse From: gypsy wytch isya
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Re: wiccan bible
Posted by: "Mara" mara.lucas@optusnet.com.au hpishtar
Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:18 am (PDT)
Hi
If you are looking for a Witches Bible then try the Complete Witches'
Handbook by Janet and Stewart Farrar.
It has most of the stuff you need to know.
About a book of Spells, you are better off searching the Internet for what
you have in mind
BB
Ishtar (Mara)
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Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
Posted by: "frances_tdm" frances@templedarkmoon.com frances_tdm
Tue Aug 2, 2011 4:33 pm (PDT)
Thanks for that wee gem of enlightenment, Matthieu.
Being a non-Christian, the myths contained within the Bible really don't shape my practices.
I have however read Leland's "Gospel of the Witches" where Lucifer is described as being Diana's brother who was "the god of the Sun and of the Moon, the god of Light (Splendor)" who she coupled with to create the divine child Aradia.
Our friends at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ) indiate that the use of the name "Lucifer" for the devil stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that does not speak of any fallen angel but of the defeat of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer).[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. It is only in post-New Testament times that the Latin word Lucifer was used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him prior to his fall from Heaven.Lucifer
Then again, it is Wikipedia so who knows ...
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Matthieu Morelle <lucifervulus_com sa_kage@. ..> wrote:
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> Just so you know Lucifer is an angel responsible for reporting the sins of mankind to god. People got sick of him and demoted him to a demon... Then blaming him for pain and torment he because synonymous with Satan. Lucifer is Latin from the adjective lucis (meaning light) and the verb ferre (meaning to carry or to bare) making Lucifer mean light barer.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: frances_tdm
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2011 8:11
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
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> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Ozpagan" <ozpagan@> wrote:com
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> > It's an interest subject this anthropology of witches; and you don't have to look too far into the past before you stumble across Witches in Europe with pet familiars named Lucifer and Satan. You get the feeling that these witches either had very funny sense of humour or else they enjoyed waving a red-flag at their persecutors. This practice still seems popular with some witches because I've numerous times come across witches' cats named Satan.
> >
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> * hands up for being guilty of Lucifer being included in one of my rites - tis mentioned in my book so when that is available, you can read all about it (should you so wish).
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> BB - Frances
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Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
Posted by: "Matthieu Morelle" lucifervulus_sa_kage@yahoo.com.au lucifervulus_sa_kage
Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:05 pm (PDT)
Yes Venus is also refered to as Lucifer
-----Original Message-----
From: frances_tdm
Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 9:33
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
Thanks for that wee gem of enlightenment, Matthieu.
Being a non-Christian, the myths contained within the Bible really don't shape my practices.
I have however read Leland's "Gospel of the Witches" where Lucifer is described as being Diana's brother who was "the god of the Sun and of the Moon, the god of Light (Splendor)" who she coupled with to create the divine child Aradia.
Our friends at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ) indiate that the use of the name "Lucifer" for the devil stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that does not speak of any fallen angel but of the defeat of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer).[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. It is only in post-New Testament times that the Latin word Lucifer was used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him prior to his fall from Heaven.Lucifer
Then again, it is Wikipedia so who knows ...
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Matthieu Morelle <lucifervulus_com sa_kage@. ..> wrote:
>
> Just so you know Lucifer is an angel responsible for reporting the sins of mankind to god. People got sick of him and demoted him to a demon... Then blaming him for pain and torment he because synonymous with Satan. Lucifer is Latin from the adjective lucis (meaning light) and the verb ferre (meaning to carry or to bare) making Lucifer mean light barer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frances_tdm
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2011 8:11
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
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> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Ozpagan" <ozpagan@> wrote:com
> >
> > It's an interest subject this anthropology of witches; and you don't have to look too far into the past before you stumble across Witches in Europe with pet familiars named Lucifer and Satan. You get the feeling that these witches either had very funny sense of humour or else they enjoyed waving a red-flag at their persecutors. This practice still seems popular with some witches because I've numerous times come across witches' cats named Satan.
> >
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> * hands up for being guilty of Lucifer being included in one of my rites - tis mentioned in my book so when that is available, you can read all about it (should you so wish).
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> BB - Frances
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Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
Posted by: "Matthieu Morelle" lucifervulus_sa_kage@yahoo.com.au lucifervulus_sa_kage
Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:07 pm (PDT)
Also I got my information from reading between the lines in the catholic encycolpedia
-----Original Message-----
From: frances_tdm
Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 9:33
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
Thanks for that wee gem of enlightenment, Matthieu.
Being a non-Christian, the myths contained within the Bible really don't shape my practices.
I have however read Leland's "Gospel of the Witches" where Lucifer is described as being Diana's brother who was "the god of the Sun and of the Moon, the god of Light (Splendor)" who she coupled with to create the divine child Aradia.
Our friends at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ) indiate that the use of the name "Lucifer" for the devil stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that does not speak of any fallen angel but of the defeat of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer).[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. It is only in post-New Testament times that the Latin word Lucifer was used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him prior to his fall from Heaven.Lucifer
Then again, it is Wikipedia so who knows ...
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Matthieu Morelle <lucifervulus_com sa_kage@. ..> wrote:
>
> Just so you know Lucifer is an angel responsible for reporting the sins of mankind to god. People got sick of him and demoted him to a demon... Then blaming him for pain and torment he because synonymous with Satan. Lucifer is Latin from the adjective lucis (meaning light) and the verb ferre (meaning to carry or to bare) making Lucifer mean light barer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frances_tdm
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2011 8:11
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Its Hallowe'en south of the border..
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> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Ozpagan" <ozpagan@> wrote:com
> >
> > It's an interest subject this anthropology of witches; and you don't have to look too far into the past before you stumble across Witches in Europe with pet familiars named Lucifer and Satan. You get the feeling that these witches either had very funny sense of humour or else they enjoyed waving a red-flag at their persecutors. This practice still seems popular with some witches because I've numerous times come across witches' cats named Satan.
> >
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> * hands up for being guilty of Lucifer being included in one of my rites - tis mentioned in my book so when that is available, you can read all about it (should you so wish).
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> BB - Frances
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Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again
Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au barbtrad
Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:43 pm (PDT)
Hi Mark.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Mark S Hepworth <mits@...> wrote:com
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> I am sorry to hear that pagan groups have been intollerant to other pagans.
Yeah disappointing but not surprising. It seems to be a very human trait and occurs in pretty much all faiths and organizations. One might be fairly safe in sayings humans appear inherently intolerant. I remember seeing on the news a while ago some Buddhist monks flogging the be-jesus out of one another with big sticks over some dispute or another..And isn't Buddhism supposed to be one of the more peaceful and non violent religions?
>
> It is disapointing, in my experiance we have a large number of "Newbies"
> come into practising some form of Pagan faith, most of the time through
> the more publicly accessable faiths, who seem to think they have
> acquaired all the knowledge in the world form a 200 page book and are
> going to "Make their Mark" in the world because of it. Some of them
> stay, some of them move on. I would hope the ones that sit down and
> listen to all sides of a discussion are the ones that stay.
>
> Paganism is such a broad label, and something that we somehow need to
> educate these new people on.
I agree and orgs like PAN don't do a bad job of that. Trouble is; a lot read their one book and get all gung ho and don't think they need to listen to any rhyme or reason.
>
> At PAN on the "About Paganism" section of our website, we talk about 5
> major groups of paganism. Nature based, Re-Constructionist, Indeginous
> European Faiths (Stregheria, Romuva, Asatru), Sharmans, and Ceremonial
> magicians, (Although the last groups will hardly identify as Pagan).
Yeah a few I know just may fly into a monumental hissy fit if accused of being Pagan :-)
>
> After that some of the information tracks back to nature based faiths
> but as a project, I have asked the committee to help make contact with
> different other types of pagans to ensure we can put together as broad
> and accurate a definition as possible for the site.
A worthy project indeed.. best wishes with it.
>
> The problem then also extends to the census with Pagan (6133) listed
> under Nature based Religions (613x).
>
> The PAGANDash campaign is trying to help the pagans end up in this
> catagory. Already a large number of different definitions exists under
> Nature Relgions nec (no extra classification) (6139). With Church of all
> Worlds added for the 2006 census in that group.
>
> One of the goals of the PAGANDash campaign is to eventually present a
> combinded submission from various pagan groups around the country, that
> the classification be changes, and Nature based faiths be a catagory of
> Pagan, and that Pagan be structured like it is in the UK (see here
> http://www.pagandash.org/categories ).%20Sheet1. pdf
>
> But for now, I am not going to ask you to put anything other than what
> you want. If you feel more comfortable putting none, then please I am
> happy for that. If you don't want to fill out more than a few things, I
> would suggest when your census arrives, ask for a privacy envelope with
> it. When it comes time to fill it out, write in the first page (that
> they can see via the envelope) and then leave the rest blank.
>
> All in all though your call. My entire focus for the PAGANDash campaign
> has been to make sure pagans of all paths feel safe and secure writing
> their path on the census by explaining ways of ensureing personal
> privacy. The re-orginisation thing, that is going to take time and we
> have to wait until this census is complete and available to the public
> which should be in June 2012. So for now it is just about the Data.
>
> I thank the list for their time in reading this e-mail.
You know Mark it isn't just the "Pagan" issue that pisses me off big time with the census: Their proposal that it is virtually just to count heads is bloody minded nonsense! They already have the statistics re births,deaths and immigration and migration. Simple sums would give them all the answers they need or indeed have any right to have. I shall once again put my devious mind to work avoiding filling out their impertinent bloody form.. and avoid incurring any penalty for failure to do so.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Hepworth
Thanks for your reply ..Bill.
>
>
> On 30/07/2011 7:35 AM, barbtrad wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon.
> >
> > Well I guess we agree on the tolerance bit. We probably all have had
> > different experiences, but the worst intolerance I have encountered
> > has come from neoPagans who just cannot accept the other people may
> > identify as "Pagan" but NOT worship nature. Or adhere to any of the
> > other newage clap trap popular with much of neopaganism. (Then to
> > really throw them into a real tizzy, tell them you think the darling
> > of the neo set Joseph Campbell has written the greatest load of old
> > manure since St Thomas. Or even worse, that their revered Mr Hutton's
> > books are no better)
> >
> > When I hear the calls for acceptance and tolerance oft emerging from
> > this or that "Pagan" organization here to lead us into the light from
> > our world of ignorance and darkness, I often offend by suggesting they
> > look up the definitions of these terms and ask themselves if they
> > actually abide by them.
> >
> > As for you not minding putting Pagan on the census form, hey Simon I
> > don't have a problem with you doing that either. What I do have a big
> > problem with is that I am told I must fill out their form or be fined.
> > They already know who I am, where I am and a whole lot of other
> > information about me I'm not sure I am comfortable about them having.
> > Do they really need to have me give them that same information every
> > few years? Yes.. thankfully the religion questions are not compulsory,
> > neither should any of the others IMO.
> >
> > Bill.
> >
> > --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Simon Goodey
> > <simonziki@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > I really don't mind putting Pagan on the census form, and being
> > counted for my basic belief system. As a comparison to the Christian
> > belief system I once heard that they have over 100 thousand different
> > denominations, they all call themselves Christians but when referring
> > to "that lot down the road, well they don't quite have it right"
> > > Maybe our community should learn something from this and have a
> > little tolerance and understanding of that "Pagan group down the road"
> > who don't do things the way you would.
> > > I am not being critical of anyone; this is just my point of view.
> > > Â
> > > Regards
> > > Â
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > From: Graham <grahfurn@>
> > > To: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogrou ps.com>"
> > <WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogrou ps.com>>
> > > Sent: Friday, 29 July 2011 11:57 AM
> > > Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time
> > again
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Thanks for the reminder Bill.
> > >
> > > For anyone who is contemplating filling out a census form, just
> > mentioning that if convenient, it can also be done online:
> > >
> > http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedb s/censushome. nsf/home/ 2011%20Census% 20-%20eCensus
> > > and registering a pagan-specific response is worth considering I think:
> > > http://www.pagandash.org.au/ content/
> > >
> > > Lastly, I just wuv watching these stimulating government commercials
> > about sex'n travel...
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=k9NdoybGJpc
> > >
> > > ... OK now it's time for me to go run and duck for cover! :)
> > >
> > > BB Graham <waving a little white flag from behind a rock>
> > >
> > > _____________________ _________ __
> > > From: barbtrad <barbtrad@>
> > > To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogrou ps.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, 29 July 2011 9:51 AM
> > > Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Howdy folks.
> > >
> > > Its here again. Bloody government asking impertinent questions at
> > inconvenient times and incompetent bureaucrats threatening us with
> > penalties should we dare to not comply. Then on top of that, we have
> > the Pagan Dash mob thumping their drums and peddling their snake oil
> > elixir.
> > >
> > > Be assured dear reader, the Evil Emperors that govern our sorry
> > arses shall glean not a jot of information from any census forms
> > visited upon the Barbarian's humble abode. As for the Pagan Dash
> > brigade, then to them I suggest sex and travel...In short, they can
> > rush off cavorting and rejoicing.( that's not what I really mean but I
> > know my intemperate language upsets Tim sometimes so I shall refrain
> > from suggesting that They (Crude word for intercourse) off.
> > >
> > > Your Jolly Old NeoPagan Friendly pal ..Bill
> > >
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Re: Anglicans set to collapse
Posted by: "gypsy wytch isya" gypsykkgypsy@yahoo.com.au gypsykkgypsy
Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:39 am (PDT)
Merry Meet friends :) funny that for george negus use to be my mothers client and student.my mum was a clairevoyant to alot of personalities actually even the police commissioner at the time, miss you mum, my mother has passed over and now stand by me and my family all the time:) so do u really think that one of these churchs will be able to become a remple for us all:) would not that be great, wish my mother was here to see it if it does happen, well i sirpose she will whenever it happens lol :) thank you for the post, interesting isn't? i am looking forward to see what happens:) Blessed Be
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Ozpagan" <ozpagan@...com > wrote:
>
> A very interesting report tonight on the decline of religion, and more specifically first in line is the Anglican diocese of Sydney. The report from the George Negus' report team on tonight's "6.30" program identifies issues such a lack of flexibility of the true-believers as well as intolerance.
>
> http://ten.com.au/630pm- with-george- negus.htm? movideo_p= 44087&movideo_ m=121437
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
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