Messages In This Digest (13 Messages)
- 1a.
- A Celtic Bonfire Spell From: Silver Fox
- 2.
- A Hallowe'en Memory From: Silver Fox
- 3.
- A Glass Of Poitin For The Pooka From: Silver Fox
- 4a.
- 13 Ideas For Samhain From: Silver Fox
- 4b.
- Re: 13 Ideas For Samhain From: Monica Duncan
- 5a.
- NMR is looking for new authors From: Nuin Macdonald
- 6a.
- Re: looking for a teacher. From: Genevieve
- 6b.
- Re: looking for a teacher. From: Genevieve MacBride
- 6c.
- Re: looking for a teacher. From: druiddreamer3
- 6d.
- Re: looking for a teacher. From: druiddreamer3
- 6e.
- Re: looking for a teacher. From: druiddreamer3
- 6f.
- Re: looking for a teacher. From: druiddreamer3
- 7a.
- Re: intro From: Genevieve MacBride
Messages
- 1a.
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A Celtic Bonfire Spell
Posted by: "Silver Fox" silverfox_57@hotmail.com trickster9993
Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:42 am (PDT)
A Celtic Bonfire Spell
By James Kambos
Color of the day: White
Incense of the day: Clove
Traditionally, November 5th is Bonfire Night in England, which observes the failed Gunpowder Plot of Guy Fawkes. Many English Witches, however, believe the ritual bonfires burnt on this night date back to Celtic times. To the Celts, this day marked the end of the Samhain observance.
The Celts believed this was the beginning of the dark half of the year. The bonfires were a way to pay tribute to the life-giving Sun before entering the dark season. Spells on this holy night should focus on burning away all problems and fears. This could be done in several ways.
You could simply write down your problems and burn the paper in a ritual fire. Another way is to select small twigs from trees you feel are appropriate to your need. Then snap them in half before feeding them to the blaze. If you wish, poppets symbolizing your need may also be burnt in a fire. After your fires, save the ashes, for they are considered to be sacred. In late winter or early spring, they should be spread over a field or garden to ensure fertility.
Silver Fox
"It is all true, it is not true. The more I tell you, the more I shall lie. What is story but jesting Pilate's cry. I am not paid to tell you the truth."
Jane Yolen; The Storyteller
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A Hallowe'en Memory
Posted by: "Silver Fox" silverfox_57@hotmail.com trickster9993
Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:43 am (PDT)
A Hallowe'en Memory
By Christopher Morley
Do you remember, Heart's Desire,
The night when Hallowe'en first came?
The newly dedicated fire,
The hearth unsanctified by flame?
How anxiously we swept the bricks
(How tragic were the draught not right!)
And then the blaze enwrapped the sticks
And filled the room with dancing light.
We could not speak, but only gaze,
Nor half believe what we had seen...
Our home, our hearth, our golden blaze,
Our cider mugs, our Hallowe'en!
And then a thought occurred to me...
We ran outside with sudden shout
And looked up to the roof, to see
Our own dear smoke come drifting out.
And of all man's felicities
The very subtlest one, say I,
Is when, for the first time, he sees
His hearthfire smoke against the sky.
Silver Fox
"It is all true, it is not true. The more I tell you, the more I shall lie. What is story but jesting Pilate's cry. I am not paid to tell you the truth."
Jane Yolen; The Storyteller
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A Glass Of Poitin For The Pooka
Posted by: "Silver Fox" silverfox_57@hotmail.com trickster9993
Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:44 am (PDT)
A Glass Of Poitin For The Pooka
Source Unknown
An rud a scriobh an puca, leann se fein e.
(What the pooka writes, the pooka can read).
A man who grew up in the shadow of the Nephin mountains in far Mayo used tell tales of pookas and poitin, a dangerous combination, and the need to keep this spectre of the underworld away from your back door on a wet and windswept night.
This is the time of the year for the pooka and other hobgoblins and eerie creatures to be out roaming the countryside after dark, something that once was etched into the consciousness of rural children when older folk told tales about the spooky side of Halloween and encouraged pious utterances as palliatives for protection from frights in the dark. A Mayo practice was to pitch a glass of poitin out the back door for the pooka, a dark and fearsome monster sometimes resembling a horse foaming at the mouth, in the hope that it would be appeased and gallop off to annoy some other household!
Of course, there were other dark forces keeping the pooka company, headless apparitions such as the Dallachain, black goats, Mongo Mango (especially in Ring, Co Waterford), or the Muck Ulla (macalla or echo) roaming around on Halloween, oidhe na h-aimleise, the Night of Mischief.
A tradition was that groups of young people, making as much noise as possible blowing horns and banging pots and pans, would go about the countryside confronting the unknown, some even visiting cemeteries at midnight, collecting stones to prove their bravery. They stuck together because if you fell behind your companions you could be led astray.
The brave bands of brothers (and sisters), sometimes led by a hobby horse (lar bhan) would knock on doors seeking food, drinks or money before moving on. If nothing was forthcoming, annoying tricks would be played on the household -- gates could be lifted off hinges or left open, water barrels tipped over, doors tied from the outside and convenient animals daubed with a splash of whitewash.
There you have the origins of the American institution "trick or treat" brought across the Atlantic in the mass immigrations of centuries past. Today's Irish children (the smaller ones) who dress up, paint their faces and knock on neighbors' doors to receive goodies, and coins, may never have heard of the pooka or such spooks, and their witch costumes and face masks have been conditioned by television rather than folklore, but the roots of Samhain, the ancient Celtic festival marking the start of winter, and celebrated by our Celtic cousins in Galicia in northern Spain, have not been completely forgotten in Ireland, as it is still considered a time for farm reckoning and stocking up. Rents and bills are paid and conacre, the letting of land, is attended to.
But there used to be some great hooleys. According to the folklorist Kevin Danaher, a Banbh Samhain (roast piglet) was served up to friends and neighbors. Whatever happened to this delightful custom? May it be revived!
The children can duck for apples and seek the ring in the barm brack, leaving the adults to their wine and pints and floury potatoes before going to their prayers, remembering family and friends passed on.
Silver Fox
"It is all true, it is not true. The more I tell you, the more I shall lie. What is story but jesting Pilate's cry. I am not paid to tell you the truth."
Jane Yolen; The Storyteller
- 4a.
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13 Ideas For Samhain
Posted by: "Silver Fox" silverfox_57@hotmail.com trickster9993
Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:45 am (PDT)
13 Ideas For Samhain
By Heather Evenstar Osterman
Let's face it; Halloween is a major commercialized holiday. So how do you find something meaningful to pull out of all the mainstream commercialism for your Sabbat celebrations? What do you do when most of the people around your family don't understand the ancient traditions they unconsciously uphold?
Take a close look at the history behind the holiday, then create new traditions for your family to enjoy year after year. You don't have to reject the mainstream; just teach your children why modern practices exist.
Samhain (also known as the Festival of the Dead or All Hallows' Eve) is a time for us to release the spirits of those who have died during the previous year and for us to honor our ancestors. It is customary to set an extra place at your supper table on Samhain Eve in honor of the departed. This is not a scary time, rather a time when the veil is thin and we can spend time with the spirits in warmth and love.
Here are some activities to try out with your family:
Volunteer to talk to your child's class about the origins of Halloween and how Wiccans really celebrate Samhain.
Together as a family, create an altar honoring your family's beloved dead (including pets). Use photos, mementos, keepsakes or anything that seems right.
Make candleholders out of apples, turnips, gourds and small pumpkins by hollowing out deep holes in the tops. Make sure the candles are well-secured in the bases.
Put candles in the windows to guide spirit travelers on their way.
Eat dinner by candlelight, setting a place at the table for your beloved dead. If your children are older, try having a Silent Supper where the meal is eaten in silence so the spirits are not frightened away.
Bob for apples in your cauldron!
Carve jack-o-lanterns to protect your home from malicious spirits. Have your children help make up a spell of protection to enforce the scary jack-o-lantern faces.
Plant flower bulbs in your yard or somewhere special. Think of this as a special promise for spring, a secret the earth will keep.
Take a walk and observe animals (like squirrels and geese) prepare for winter. At home, prepare for winter in your own way.
Make a family tree on poster board. Let the kids draw pictures of each of the people on your tree.
Snack on seeds and nuts (try toasted pumpkin and sunflower seeds). Or try making skull-shaped popcorn balls.
Tell your children stories of when they where younger. Then encourage them to make up stories of their lives in the future.
Why should kids have all the fun? The whole family should make costumes and go trick-or-treating!
Silver Fox
"It is all true, it is not true. The more I tell you, the more I shall lie. What is story but jesting Pilate's cry. I am not paid to tell you the truth."
Jane Yolen; The Storyteller
- 4b.
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Re: 13 Ideas For Samhain
Posted by: "Monica Duncan" mhimmelsbach25@yahoo.com mhimmelsbach25
Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:46 pm (PDT)
Thank you for that Silver Fox, my fiance' & I just moved into our own place, we're renting but as long as the place looks good, the landlord is fine. We're wanting to do our first ritual with a few local Wiccan's (so far only 1 can definitelymake it, but we'll be hearing from the rest). We're looking for ideas & suggestions on what to do for it and are open to any advice. It'll be our first open ritual, we've done them between ourselves, but both are solitare, he's Saxon/Gardian (I didn't spell that right, at all), & I'm a mixture of Druid, Garden, Hedge, Natural. So we have our differences, but both love the Sabbots. I'm going to be writing down a few of your ideas in this email. Blessed be, Monica
--- On Fri, 10/15/10, Silver Fox <silverfox_57@hotmail.com > wrote:
From: Silver Fox <silverfox_57@hotmail.com >
Subject: [Earthwise] 13 Ideas For Samhain
To:
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:41 AM
13 Ideas For Samhain
By Heather Evenstar Osterman
Let's face it; Halloween is a major commercialized holiday. So how do you find something meaningful to pull out of all the mainstream commercialism for your Sabbat celebrations? What do you do when most of the people around your family don't understand the ancient traditions they unconsciously uphold?
Take a close look at the history behind the holiday, then create new traditions for your family to enjoy year after year. You don't have to reject the mainstream; just teach your children why modern practices exist.
Samhain (also known as the Festival of the Dead or All Hallows' Eve) is a time for us to release the spirits of those who have died during the previous year and for us to honor our ancestors. It is customary to set an extra place at your supper table on Samhain Eve in honor of the departed. This is not a scary time, rather a time when the veil is thin and we can spend time with the spirits in warmth and love.
Here are some activities to try out with your family:
Volunteer to talk to your child's class about the origins of Halloween and how Wiccans really celebrate Samhain.
Together as a family, create an altar honoring your family's beloved dead (including pets). Use photos, mementos, keepsakes or anything that seems right.
Make candleholders out of apples, turnips, gourds and small pumpkins by hollowing out deep holes in the tops. Make sure the candles are well-secured in the bases.
Put candles in the windows to guide spirit travelers on their way.
Eat dinner by candlelight, setting a place at the table for your beloved dead. If your children are older, try having a Silent Supper where the meal is eaten in silence so the spirits are not frightened away.
Bob for apples in your cauldron!
Carve jack-o-lanterns to protect your home from malicious spirits. Have your children help make up a spell of protection to enforce the scary jack-o-lantern faces.
Plant flower bulbs in your yard or somewhere special. Think of this as a special promise for spring, a secret the earth will keep.
Take a walk and observe animals (like squirrels and geese) prepare for winter. At home, prepare for winter in your own way.
Make a family tree on poster board. Let the kids draw pictures of each of the people on your tree.
Snack on seeds and nuts (try toasted pumpkin and sunflower seeds). Or try making skull-shaped popcorn balls.
Tell your children stories of when they where younger. Then encourage them to make up stories of their lives in the future.
Why should kids have all the fun? The whole family should make costumes and go trick-or-treating!
Silver Fox
"It is all true, it is not true. The more I tell you, the more I shall lie. What is story but jesting Pilate's cry. I am not paid to tell you the truth."
Jane Yolen; The Storyteller
- 5a.
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NMR is looking for new authors
Posted by: "Nuin Macdonald" nuin@nmrjournal.com nuinmacdonald
Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:00 pm (PDT)
Call For Submissions
New Moon Rising, A Journal of Pagan Thought & Magick is looking for new
contributors
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committed to being a vital international stimulus in the continuing Pagan &
Magickal Renaissance as an intelligent forum on Magick, Pagan culture,
history and practice. NMR aligns with no particular school or tradition.
It seeks to explore all within their paradigms. It is published in print 6
times a year
We continue to explore and request articles and artwork in such varied
subjects as: magickal theory and practice, grimoires, world mystery
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Please contact the editor.
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Re: looking for a teacher.
Posted by: "Genevieve" genny.macbride@live.com genny.macbride
Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:01 pm (PDT)
More clarity : Pagans can also be Buddhists, Hindus, etc.
Some Wiccans are Christians and call themselves Christian Witches or Christian Wiccans and follow the Essene and Gnostic Gospels. I am not a Christian, but I get a monthly newletter from www.wicca.com and administrator and group member of wicca.com who writes it is a 'Christian Witch'. In the Essene writings, one thing they record the teacher and healer, Jeshua, as saying was, "Love your Father in heaven and your Mother the earth." So the terms Pagan, Heathen and Heritic were also applied by the Catholic political machine to those who were followers of the Christ in the unadulterated, uncontaminated Essene gospels, who are Christians (Latin for 'of Christ'). It was the Pagan Roman government who first used this term. The followers of Christ adopted it because they liked it. Wicca is from the Gaelic stem word 'Wic' meaning to shape or to bend as in wicker (bend and woven willow branch)furniture,etc. Wicca is the term generally used for our 'religion' because it is flexible, bendable, and can be woven by the individual according to their individual path to fill their personal need to connect with Spirit in a more personal way than dogma can provide. I would also like to point out that too many Wiccans have turned some writings by Crowley, Garder, and many others into dogma and try to shove it down every Wiccan throat as if it were a hard and fast rule that one must believe in to be Wiccan. We have to be careful of this also. Wicca is a label that does not mean the same thing to all Wiccans. It is a generality. Wicca is ever evolving. A person can 'worship' with a focus on Love, Peace, Community, etc. and not Diety while still recognizing Spirit Energy within all. Some Wiccans are atheists, too. I've known a couple who were.
--- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , Patrick Gallagher <loc59ghc4life@com ...> wrote:
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> wiccans and pagans go hand in hand i study wicca and paganism together
>
> --- On Thu, 10/7/10, karla mata <candy14955@...> wrote:
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>
> From: karla mata <candy14955@...>
> Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
> To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 2:43 PM
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> i'm actually reading wiccan books. not pagan. i'm sorry but i don't approve of you trying to lead me away from my beliefs.
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> From: Moloch <moloch@...>
> To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 8:47:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
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> Â
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> >my first question is on religouse tolerance. should a witch tolerate the bible? it says to not be a witch and to stay away from witches. and to kill witches and not let them live. should i be tolerant of this?<
>
>
> Hi Karla. My answer to that is learn your history about Witchcraft first and no I'm not talking about history as written by Ll-ewe-llyn authors either; rather learn from non-pagan books. Why? Pagan authors are just as bad as Christian authors in that they make up stuff that's not true or they stretch the truth a bit much. For example: more than one Pagan author has used the 9 million persecute & killed during the Inquisition for Witchcraft.
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> Baloney!
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> Accurate Fact #1: More people who persecuted & killed for heresy than Witchcraft during the Inquisition
>
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> Accurate Fact #2: The numbers may have been in the hundreds of thousands or maybe a million or so but there is no evidence to support the claim of 9 million.
>
>
> If you want to make a point about killings in the name of Jesus, why not use the 4,000+ beheadings of Anglo-Saxon leaders who were murdered by the good christian king Charlegmagne in 784 c.e., for refusal to give up their pagan ways & accept Jesus. Some accounts say it was 4,800, some say it was 4,500 but I generally use 4,000+ to be safe. This was called: "Bloody Verdict of Verden or Massacre of Verden".
>
>
> In all fairness, some scholars claim there is no archeological evidence to support such an event occurred. Some have suggested that these A-S leaders were taken by their clans & buried along with their kin instead of assuming there'd be some sort of mass grave. The following from Wikipedia gives some interesting info about beheadings during this time period:
>
>
> The following is from Wikipedia: "On the issue of beheading the historian Ramsay MacMullen notes that in 681 a council of bishops at Toledo called on civil authorities to seize and behead all those guilty of non-Christian practices of whatever sort. Â These massacres were common on both sides throughout the Christianization of Europe, with similar events involving pagan Saxons, Germans and Celts and Christians documented in Britain and Ireland." (Ramsay MacMullen, Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries, Chap 1:16,"Persecution", ISBN 0-300-07148- 5)
>
>
> That alone is horrid. Murder... be-headings... christianity. I mean what would Jesus think? I'm certain he'd be flat out shocked. Such atrocities are never intended to glorify Jesus but rather glorify the maniac(s) who ordered the killings in the first place.
>
>
> Learn to use history to your advantage. Stay away from Llewllyn Pagan books because they are woefully inaccurate & often just plain wrong. Use good, solid historical sources for your arguments so that your detractors will be hard pressed to refute your claims.
>
>
> That's my suggestion, Karla. Hope it helps you in some way.
>
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>
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> Cordially,
> Brother MolochÂ969
> 'Real Sorcery, Radionics & Haitian Vodu 24/7'
> www.molochsorcery.comÂ
>
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Re: looking for a teacher.
Posted by: "Genevieve MacBride" genny.macbride@live.com genny.macbride
Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:01 pm (PDT)
Well said. Everyone is entitled their opinion, but that doesn't mean they have a right to attack others in this abusive manner. A personal attack is used as a means to upset you and steal energy from you. Most abusive people are doing that unconsciously because they are very insecure individuals who are not themselves connected with the Divine energy of the Universe, so they suck energy from others. The best way to deal with it, in my experience, is to end communications, ignoring all further temper tantrums and outbursts such as the one made on you in an attempt to keep negetive emotions going to suck you dry. I knew an atheist couple years ago who practiced magic/wicca and used what they learned from many books. I have had many books published by LLewelyn. I use what feels right for me. Llewelyn has done a lot of good in publishing hundreds of authors in the realm of magic who couldn't have been published any other way and has helped tremendously to bring us out of the 'broom closet'.
Divine Spirit lives through us and thus WE the people are as impotant to the balance of the Universe as the Gods. Therefore we are each God or Goddess in our own Spirits and the magic and our path is within us as well as the natural energies of the elements. therefore it would be just as legitimate to do your work in the name of You as in the name of any other G/G.
I encourage you to read everything, trust your own intuition as to what is right for you at any given time, and continue your journey in the direction you are lead. And Wicca is a new 'religion' based on ancient beliefs, so everyone of us is creating Wicca as we go. You be the Wiccan/Witch you are and not what another tries to make you. In the end, this is everyone's journey of self discovery.
I know a really great Houdoo spell, simple and easy, gets to the point and sends negetive energies and hexes back to their creator, not entended to harm, just return what belongs to them to clear your personal space. It involves no prayer to diety unless you want it to. It's an old New Orleans recipe for cleansing and I've never seen it fail.
Let me know and I'll send it.
Genny
PS I will not reply to anyone who uses abusive language or attacks me in any way, so don't waste your time.
To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
From: candy14955@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:07:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
i'm thinking that the reason you acted and sounded so hostile towards me instead of friendly is because you are hiding something from me. and i think it would be in my best interest to stay away from you. i am actually an athiest witch. something you didn't know about me. and i read wicca books because i take in information from them that will help me on my path in life. not that you'd know... i do believe you are definately not a witch. you must want to trap people in your ways. and you take advantage of them. i see you as a controlling person. a teacher would teach you that there is no right way in wicca. you follow your own path. and i'm eclectic. which means i definately follow my own path. i'm sorry but the naive girl you think i am is just not me. i am far wiser than you think. even when i was at tender ages i always understood things. i think you need to stop doing what you do. but i won't tell you you have to. no one can control you. i am looking for a leader. and a teacher. because what is a teacher without being able to lead? good bye sir. or madame.
From: Moloch <moloch@molochsorcery.com >
To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 10:10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
Lead you away from your wiccan beliefs??? How long have you had a reading comprehension disability, Karla? Because obviously you are unable to read something that's straightforward & pick up on what's being said.
Well if you want to go & read made-up & invented Wicca-crap by authors who barely know a the subject, be my guest. Many McWiccans prior to you are doing just that & Llewellyn's sales show that is also so.
And with that said, I find it humorous that any rational individual would want to wallow in ignorance & pretend Wicca instead of study & learn the real thing. But oh well...
You're not looking for a teacher, you're looking for a leader; two very different roles.
Moloch
--- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , karla mata <candy14955@com ...> wrote:
>
> i'm actually reading wiccan books. not pagan. i'm sorry but i don't approve of
> you trying to lead me away from my beliefs.
>
>
>
>
> _____________________ _________ __
> From: Moloch moloch@...
> To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 8:47:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
>
> Â
> >my first question is on religouse tolerance. should a witch tolerate the bible?
> >it says to not be a witch and to stay away from witches. and to kill witches and
> >not let them live. should i be tolerant of this?<
> >
>
> Hi Karla. My answer to that is learn your history about Witchcraft first and no
> I'm not talking about history as written by Ll-ewe-llyn authors either; rather
> learn from non-pagan books. Why? Pagan authors are just as bad as Christian
> authors in that they make up stuff that's not true or they stretch the truth a
> bit much. For example: more than one Pagan author has used the 9 million
> persecute & killed during the Inquisition for Witchcraft.
>
> Baloney!
>
> Accurate Fact #1: More people who persecuted & killed for heresy than Witchcraft
> during the Inquisition
>
> Accurate Fact #2: The numbers may have been in the hundreds of thousands or
> maybe a million or so but there is no evidence to support the claimof 9 million.
>
> If you want to make a point about killings in the name of Jesus, why not use the
> 4,000+ beheadings of Anglo-Saxon leaders who were murdered by the good christian
> king Charlegmagne in 784 c.e., for refusal to give up their pagan ways & accept
> Jesus. Some accounts say it was 4,800, some say it was 4,500 but I generally use
> 4,000+ to be safe. This was called: "Bloody Verdict of Verden or Massacre of
> Verden".
>
> In all fairness, some scholars claim there is no archeological evidence to
> support such an event occurred. Some have suggested that these A-S leaders were
> taken by their clans & buried along with their kin instead of assuming there'd
> be some sort of mass grave. The following from Wikipedia gives some interesting
> info about beheadings during this time period:
>
> The following is from Wikipedia: "On the issue of beheading the historian Ramsay
> MacMullen notes that in 681 a council of bishops at Toledo called on civil
> authorities to seize and behead all those guilty of non-Christian practices of
> whatever sort. Â These massacres were common on both sides throughout the
> Christianization of Europe, with similar events involving pagan Saxons, Germans
> and Celts and Christians documented in Britain and Ireland." (Ramsay MacMullen,
> Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries, Chap
> 1:16,"Persecution", ISBN 0-300-07148- 5)
>
> That alone is horrid. Murder... be-headings... christianity. I mean what would
> Jesus think? I'm certain he'd be flat out shocked. Such atrocities are never
> intended to glorify Jesus but rather glorify the maniac(s) who ordered the
> killings in the first place.
>
> Learn to use history to your advantage. Stay away from Llewllyn Pagan books
> because they are woefully inaccurate & often just plain wrong. Use good, solid
> historical sources for your arguments so that your detractors will be hard
> pressed to refute your claims.
>
> That's my suggestion, Karla. Hope it helps you in some way.
>
>
>
> Cordially,
> Brother Moloch 969
> 'Real Sorcery, Radionics & Haitian Vodu 24/7'
> www.molochsorcery.comÂ
>
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Re: looking for a teacher.
Posted by: "druiddreamer3" crc3494@yahoo.com druiddreamer3
Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:03 pm (PDT)
Blake,
Thanks for the links even if they weren't meant for me. :)
~Druid Dreamer
--- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , "tkdblake93" <palaika.pinemoon@com ...>
wrote:
>
> I'm Blake and new to the group.
>
> I don't compare my beliefs with Christianity or pay much attention to
the Bible anymore. For Christians the Bible is the "unerring Word of
God" and for me it's just the holy book of a major world religion. I
mean, if a lot of Christians paid half the attention (as) some Pagans
pay to the Bible, they'd be better Christians!
>
> One thing to remember about Wiccan (and some other Pagan) authors is
that most of them are NOT scholars. And that's OK for the most part. Get
your spiritual beliefs and practices from a Wiccan (or other Pagan)
author, but please get your mythology and history somewhere else. The
link below is a good place to start, especially if you want accurate
information for the cultural and mythological background of the deities
you worship.
>
> A Recommended Reading List for Dedicants
> http://www.adf.org/training/ resources/ reading.html
>
> As for a truly fair and balanced history of Wicca (and earlier forms
of European witchcraft), I can wholeheartedly recommend "A
> History of Witchcraft" by Jeffrey B. Russell & Brooks Alexander (ISBN:
> 0500286345).
>
> The link below is also recommended reading, especially when an author
is making wild historical claims about their religion.
>
> When is a Celt Not a Celt?
> http://www.cyberwitch.com/wychwood/ library/WhenIsAC eltNotACelt. htm
>
> Oh, a note about living, breathing spiritual teachers. Some of them
charge for any and everything. Back in the mid to late 1990s I attended
weekly Wicca workshops and paid $5 each time. That was reasonable since
we were using space in a New Age bookstore and the teacher came in from
out of town.
>
> For those exploring British Traditional Wicca, here's a good link.
>
> Traditional Wica
> http://www.tradwicca.org/beginnings .html
>
> Threefold Blessings -- Blake /|\
>
- 6d.
-
Re: looking for a teacher.
Posted by: "druiddreamer3" crc3494@yahoo.com druiddreamer3
Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:03 pm (PDT)
Ramanan,
I agree! "all acts of hypocrisy, bigotry, racism, misogyny etc;"should
never be accepted in any religion or society. If only we could change
the world...
:) Druid Dreamer
--- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , Ramanan Malini <ammaschild88@com ...>
wrote:
>
> Â Â Â Merry Meet Karla, Yeah right, but whether there was 2500,
3500, or 4000 there were a hell of a lot of attrocities committed in
Yeshua's name, the amount is immaterial, all acts of hypocrisy, bigotry,
racism, misogyny etc; are horrible crimes, and the truth is they never
paid for them. I believe that one should never accept this way of
thinking in any dogma!
> In Her Holy Name
>
> Blessed Be.
>
> --- On Thu, 7/10/10, Moloch moloch@... wrote:
>
> From: Moloch moloch@...
> Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
> To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, 7 October, 2010, 15:47
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >my first question is on religouse tolerance. should a witch
tolerate the bible? it says to not be a witch and to stay away from
witches. and to kill witches and not let them live. should i be tolerant
of this?<
> Hi Karla. My answer to that is learn your history about Witchcraft
first and no I'm not talking about history as written by Ll-ewe-llyn
authors either; rather learn from non-pagan books. Why? Pagan authors
are just as bad as Christian authors in that they make up stuff that's
not true or they stretch the truth a bit much. For example: more than
one Pagan author has used the 9 million persecute & killed during the
Inquisition for Witchcraft.
> Baloney!
> Accurate Fact #1: More people who persecuted & killed for heresy than
Witchcraft during the Inquisition
> Accurate Fact #2: The numbers may have been in the hundreds of
thousands or maybe a million or so but there is no evidence to support
the claim of 9 million.
> If you want to make a point about killings in the name of Jesus, why
not use the 4,000+ beheadings of Anglo-Saxon leaders who were murdered
by the good christian king Charlegmagne in 784 c.e., for refusal to give
up their pagan ways & accept Jesus. Some accounts say it was 4,800, some
say it was 4,500 but I generally use 4,000+ to be safe. This was called:
"Bloody Verdict of Verden or Massacre of Verden".
> In all fairness, some scholars claim there is no archeological
evidence to support such an event occurred. Some have suggested that
these A-S leaders were taken by their clans & buried along with their
kin instead of assuming there'd be some sort of mass grave. The
following from Wikipedia gives some interesting info about beheadings
during this time period:
> The following is from Wikipedia: "On the issue of beheading the
historian Ramsay MacMullen notes that in 681 a council of bishops at
Toledo called on civil authorities to seize and behead all those guilty
of non-Christian practices of whatever sort. Â These massacres were
common on both sides throughout the Christianization of Europe, with
similar events involving pagan Saxons, Germans and Celts and Christians
documented in Britain and Ireland." (Ramsay MacMullen, Christianity &
Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries, Chap 1:16,"Persecution",
ISBN 0-300-07148-5)
> That alone is horrid. Murder... be-headings... christianity. I mean
what would Jesus think? I'm certain he'd be flat out shocked. Such
atrocities are never intended to glorify Jesus but rather glorify the
maniac(s) who ordered the killings in the first place.
> Learn to use history to your advantage. Stay away from Llewllyn Pagan
books because they are woefully inaccurate & often just plain wrong. Use
good, solid historical sources for your arguments so that your
detractors will be hard pressed to refute your claims.
> That's my suggestion, Karla. Hope it helps you in some way.
>
>
> Cordially,BrotherÂMoloch 969' Real Sorcery, Radionics & Haitian
Vodu 24/7'www.molochsorcery.comÂ
>
- 6e.
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Re: looking for a teacher.
Posted by: "druiddreamer3" crc3494@yahoo.com druiddreamer3
Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:05 pm (PDT)
Hum, I didn't read anger or hostility in his response, just
clarification and strength of opinion.
I am curious,Karla, what is your definition of a witch? Please note that
I am not being antagonistic, just truly curious as all concepts and
ideas differ.
~Druid Dreamer
--- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , karla mata <candy14955@com ...> wrote:
>
> i'm thinking that the reason you acted and sounded so hostile towards
me instead
> of friendly is because you are hiding something from me. and i think
it would be
> in my best interest to stay away from you. i am actually an athiest
witch.
> something you didn't know about me. and i read wicca books because i
take in
> information from them that will help me on my path in life. not that
you'd
> know... i do believe you are definately not a witch. you must want to
trap
> people in your ways. and you take advantage of them. i see you as a
controlling
> person. a teacher would teach you that there is no right way in wicca.
you
> follow your own path. and i'm eclectic. which means i definately
follow my own
> path. i'm sorry but the naive girl you think i am is just not me. i am
far wiser
> than you think. even when i was at tender ages i always understood
things. i
> think you need to stop doing what you do. but i won't tell you you
have to. no
> one can control you. i am looking for a leader. and a teacher. because
what is a
> teacher without being able to lead? good bye sir. or madame.
>
>
>
>
> _____________________ _________ __
> From: Moloch moloch@...
> To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 10:10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
>
> Â
> Lead you away from your wiccan beliefs??? How long have you had a
reading
> comprehension disability, Karla? Because obviously you are unable to
read
> something that's straightforward & pick up on what's being said.
>
>
> Well if you want to go & read made-up & invented Wicca-crap by authors
who
> barely know a the subject, be my guest. Many McWiccans prior to you
are doing
> just that & Llewellyn's sales show that is also so.Â
>
> And with that said, I find it humorous that any rational individual
would want
> to wallow in ignorance & pretend Wicca instead of study & learn the
real thing.
> But oh well...
>
> You're not looking for a teacher, you're looking for a leader; two
very
> different roles.
>
> Moloch
>
> --- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , karla mata candy14955@ wrote:com
> >
> > i'm actually reading wiccan books. not pagan. i'm sorry but i don't
approve of
>
> > you trying to lead me away from my beliefs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________ _________ __
> > From: Moloch moloch@
> > To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 8:47:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > >my first question is on religouse tolerance. should a witch
tolerate the
> >bible?
> >
> > >it says to not be a witch and to stay away from witches. and to
kill witches
> >and
> >
> > >not let them live. should i be tolerant of this?<
> > >
> >
> > Hi Karla. My answer to that is learn your history about
Witchcraft first and
> >no
> >
> > I'm not talking about history as written by Ll-ewe-llyn authors
either; rather
>
> > learn from non-pagan books. Why? Pagan authors are just as bad as
Christian
> > authors in that they make up stuff that's not true or they stretch
the truth a
>
> > bit much. For example: more than one Pagan author has used the 9
million
> > persecute & killed during the Inquisition for Witchcraft.
> >
> > Baloney!
> >
> > Accurate Fact #1: More people who persecuted & killed for heresy
than
> >Witchcraft
> >
> > during the Inquisition
> >
> > Accurate Fact #2: The numbers may have been in the hundreds of
thousands or
> > maybe a million or so but there is no evidence to support the
claimof 9
> >million.
> >
> > If you want to make a point about killings in the name of Jesus, why
not use
> >the
> >
> > 4,000+ beheadings of Anglo-Saxon leaders who were murdered by the
good
> >christian
> >
> > king Charlegmagne in 784 c.e., for refusal to give up their pagan
ways & accept
> >
> > Jesus. Some accounts say it was 4,800, some say it was 4,500 but I
generally
> >use
> >
> > 4,000+ to be safe. This was called: "Bloody Verdict of Verden or
Massacre of
> > Verden".
> >
> > In all fairness, some scholars claim there is no archeological
evidence to
> > support such an event occurred. Some have suggested that these A-S
leaders were
> >
> > taken by their clans & buried along with their kin instead of
assuming there'd
>
> > be some sort of mass grave. The following from Wikipedia gives some
interesting
> >
> > info about beheadings during this time period:
> >
> > The following is from Wikipedia: "On the issue of beheading the
historian
> >Ramsay
> >
> > MacMullen notes that in 681 a council of bishops at Toledo called on
civil
> > authorities to seize and behead all those guilty of non-Christian
practices of
>
> > whatever sort.  These massacres were common on both sides
throughout the
> > Christianization of Europe, with similar events involving pagan
Saxons, Germans
> >
> > and Celts and Christians documented in Britain and Ireland." (Ramsay
MacMullen,
> >
> > Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries, Chap
> > 1:16,"Persecution", ISBN 0-300-07148- 5)
> >
> > That alone is horrid. Murder... be-headings... christianity. I mean
what would
>
> > Jesus think? I'm certain he'd be flat out shocked. Such atrocities
are never
> > intended to glorify Jesus but rather glorify the maniac(s) who
ordered the
> > killings in the first place.
> >
> > Learn to use history to your advantage. Stay away from Llewllyn
Pagan books
> > because they are woefully inaccurate & often just plain wrong. Use
good, solid
>
> > historical sources for your arguments so that your detractors will
be hard
> > pressed to refute your claims.
> >
> > That's my suggestion, Karla. Hope it helps you in some way.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cordially,
> > Brother Moloch 969
> > 'Real Sorcery, Radionics & Haitian Vodu 24/7'
> > www.molochsorcery.comÂÂ
> >
>
- 6f.
-
Re: looking for a teacher.
Posted by: "druiddreamer3" crc3494@yahoo.com druiddreamer3
Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:05 pm (PDT)
Right on, Moloch! It is so hard to find facts, opinions run rampant
and everyone is an expert. I've been researching for almost 10 years and
still only know enough to know I don't know a dang thing!
Finding a teacher is hard (I'm still searching) but finding a leader to
point you in a path that will support their belief system is easy...look
at all of the churches in main stream religion. Don't get me wrong,
there are teachers out there that will help you find your path by
providing facts as they know them but they are hard to find. Well, at
least in the Bible Belt of SC.
I truly hope this individual and all like him/her/me will be able to
find a teacher that will be able to lead without influencing singular
though processes. I want someone that will show me facts, their ideas,
opinions and rituals while accepting other opinions openly and
respectfully.
Just my 2 cents....
~Druid Dreamer
--- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , "Moloch" <moloch@...> wrote:com
>
> Lead you away from your wiccan beliefs??? How long have you had a
> reading comprehension disability, Karla? Because obviously you are
> unable to read something that's straightforward & pick up on what's
> being said.
> Well if you want to go & read made-up & invented Wicca-crap by authors
> who barely know a the subject, be my guest. Many McWiccans prior to
you
> are doing just that & Llewellyn's sales show that is also so.
> And with that said, I find it humorous that any rational individual
> would want to wallow in ignorance & pretend Wicca instead of study &
> learn the real thing. But oh well...
> You're not looking for a teacher, you're looking for a leader; two
very
> different roles.
> Moloch
> --- In EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. , karla mata candy14955@ wrote:com
> >
> > i'm actually reading wiccan books. not pagan. i'm sorry but i don't
> approve of
> > you trying to lead me away from my beliefs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________ _________ __
> > From: Moloch moloch@
> > To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 8:47:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Earthwise] looking for a teacher.
> >
> > Â
> > >my first question is on religouse tolerance. should a witch
tolerate
> the bible?
> > >it says to not be a witch and to stay away from witches. and to
kill
> witches and
> > >not let them live. should i be tolerant of this?<
> > >
> >
> > Hi Karla. My answer to that is learn your history about
Witchcraft
> first and no
> > I'm not talking about history as written by Ll-ewe-llyn authors
> either; rather
> > learn from non-pagan books. Why? Pagan authors are just as bad as
> Christian
> > authors in that they make up stuff that's not true or they stretch
the
> truth a
> > bit much. For example: more than one Pagan author has used the 9
> million
> > persecute & killed during the Inquisition for Witchcraft.
> >
> > Baloney!
> >
> > Accurate Fact #1: More people who persecuted & killed for heresy
than
> Witchcraft
> > during the Inquisition
> >
> > Accurate Fact #2: The numbers may have been in the hundreds of
> thousands or
> > maybe a million or so but there is no evidence to support the
claimof
> 9 million.
> >
> > If you want to make a point about killings in the name of Jesus, why
> not use the
> > 4,000+ beheadings of Anglo-Saxon leaders who were murdered by the
good
> christian
> > king Charlegmagne in 784 c.e., for refusal to give up their pagan
ways
> & accept
> > Jesus. Some accounts say it was 4,800, some say it was 4,500 but I
> generally use
> > 4,000+ to be safe. This was called: "Bloody Verdict of Verden or
> Massacre of
> > Verden".
> >
> > In all fairness, some scholars claim there is no archeological
> evidence to
> > support such an event occurred. Some have suggested that these A-S
> leaders were
> > taken by their clans & buried along with their kin instead of
assuming
> there'd
> > be some sort of mass grave. The following from Wikipedia gives some
> interesting
> > info about beheadings during this time period:
> >
> > The following is from Wikipedia: "On the issue of beheading the
> historian Ramsay
> > MacMullen notes that in 681 a council of bishops at Toledo called on
> civil
> > authorities to seize and behead all those guilty of non-Christian
> practices of
> > whatever sort. Â These massacres were common on both sides
> throughout the
> > Christianization of Europe, with similar events involving pagan
> Saxons, Germans
> > and Celts and Christians documented in Britain and Ireland." (Ramsay
> MacMullen,
> > Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries, Chap
> > 1:16,"Persecution", ISBN 0-300-07148- 5)
> >
> > That alone is horrid. Murder... be-headings... christianity. I mean
> what would
> > Jesus think? I'm certain he'd be flat out shocked. Such atrocities
are
> never
> > intended to glorify Jesus but rather glorify the maniac(s) who
ordered
> the
> > killings in the first place.
> >
> > Learn to use history to your advantage. Stay away from Llewllyn
Pagan
> books
> > because they are woefully inaccurate & often just plain wrong. Use
> good, solid
> > historical sources for your arguments so that your detractors will
be
> hard
> > pressed to refute your claims.
> >
> > That's my suggestion, Karla. Hope it helps you in some way.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cordially,
> > Brother Moloch 969
> > 'Real Sorcery, Radionics & Haitian Vodu 24/7'
> > www.molochsorcery.comÂ
> >
>
- 7a.
-
Re: intro
Posted by: "Genevieve MacBride" genny.macbride@live.com genny.macbride
Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:03 pm (PDT)
Nice to meet you. I'm curious what you mean by "Natural". I use whatever works (in a positive way) and mostly write my own stuff now for planned spells and Rites. Everything seems to be getting super-simplified as I enter the crone stage of my life. If I'm out somewhere and a feather lands at my feet or come across one, I pick it up and ask what the message is. Usually I end up using it to say an immediate prayer for someone it brings to mind and blow along its length to send the prayer energy. It might also be a tool to use to send a special blessing to someone or for myself. A lot just happens spontaneously with me. A rock, a shell, an Autumn leaf with a message in the pattern, a clump of earth. I find magick in everything these days!
I'd also like to know more about the Saxon tradition. I don't know much about it, at least as a classified tradition, and I'm an info junkie.
I'm also going to college studying Graphic Design and I am about to start working on some magickal artwork in Adobe Illustrator. I may do some specifically for magickalgraphics.com. I've gotten so much for free from them, I want to give something back.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Genny
To: EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. com
From: jcknoah@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:02:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [Earthwise] intro
hello, eye`m in springfield, mo
jack
From: Monica Duncan <mhimmelsbach25@yahoo.com >
To: Earthwise wicca group <EarthwiseBOS@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 5:42:01 PM
Subject: [Earthwise] intro
Merry Meet, I'm not exactly sure how this group works, but have been interested in meeting more Wicca's. My fiance' & I are both Wicca, he's Saxon, & I'm Natural, we live out in Missouri, near St Louis, and have only met 3 locally. I'm 28, he's 31, we'll be getting married next spring & hopefully with a handfasting as well. We currently only have internet access at my sister's & as soon as I get my phone back on, I'll have it via cell phone. We both have daughters, he has 1, I have 2, & are both battling child support, ex's & the state, so have been trying to keep preoccupied by our religion. His family is Catholic & Mormon, mine is Christian. If I don't answer for a couple days, its because I haven't made it to my sister's yet. Thanks for being an open group, blessed be. Monica
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that a tolerant, mature and respectful dialogue be strived
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offended by a posting, write to me at
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Earthwise is a world wide group.
We are based in Western Sydney, NSW. Australia.
Located in the valley before the beautiful Blue Mountains were
we hold sacred rituals, workshops, social events and outings,
for more information see our calendar of events at Witches Meetup
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