Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: Frater Carfax
- 1b.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: frances_tdm
- 1c.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: Touchwood
- 1d.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: Frater Carfax
- 1e.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: Media Officer
- 1f.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: Media Officer
- 1g.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: Frater Carfax
- 1h.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: gregorytk
- 1i.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: carteblanche13
- 1j.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: M Lycett
- 1k.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: John Elder
- 1l.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: Ben Hopkinson
- 1m.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: John Elder
- 1n.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx
- 1o.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx
- 1p.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: barbtrad
- 1q.
- Re: o, another halloween story From: John Elder
- 2a.
- Re: Remembrance List - research needed From: frances_tdm
- 3a.
- Halloween From: cottytosmaid
- 3b.
- Re: Halloween From: carteblanche13
- 4.1.
- Re: Wytchcraeft From: Media Officer
- 4.2.
- Re: Wytchcraeft From: xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx
- 4.3.
- Re: Wytchcraeft From: vicpagan
- 4.4.
- Re: Wytchcraeft From: vicpagan
- 5.
- Pagan Travel to UK and Ireland From: Christine
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "Frater Carfax" tzuflifu@yahoo.com frater_carfax
Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:36 am (PDT)
Hullooo John Elder - what good synchronicity...you must be psychic for something ;-P
well, before the Pagan Anti-fun Police get in on the act, and then start raving about how its really Beltane blah blah blah....
You might be interested to know that as a result of a little research I was doing today in archival Australian newspapers, I was able to confirm that Halloween has been celebrated in Australia for over 120 years on the 31 October within the Scottish immigrant community, particularly through their Caledonian Societies.
And still do today so it seems from some cursory checking (albeit some seem to have given it away).
Based on this I have no small amount of pleasure in affirming that Halloween is a proud part of Australian-Celtic colonial heritage.
So rather than bemoaning any sentiments of "Americanisation" - I think there is plenty of reasons for the discerning Australian neo-pagan to embrace it.
LLL
Jonathan
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:com
>
> hulloo friends,
>
> john elder here from the sunday age.
>
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
> any comments?
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "frances_tdm" lunanoire1@adam.com.au frances_tdm
Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:47 am (PDT)
John Elder wrote:
>
> hulloo friends,
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
John, I honestly think it is along the lines of them trying to remove our hard earnt cash from our pockets than anything else. I recall Woollies trying to push Halloween back in the early 2000s without much luck. Besides discount stores such as Cheap as Chips have been displaying Halloween costumes for just as many years.
As for the St Mary's canonisation, maybe it is more along the lines of the Catholic Church chosing a date for her canonisation being so close to Halloween (as it is in the Northern Hemisphere) .. now that would be a far more interesting angle, don't you think (*nudge *nudge) ...
BB - Frances
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "Touchwood" touchwood8@bigpond.com nan_in_sa
Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:50 am (PDT)
Hi John,
My only comment is it's not Halloween .
Cheers
Nan
john elder here from the sunday age.
i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a
neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles
is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks)
and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they
are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year
because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks
after Saint Mary's canonisation.
any comments?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "Frater Carfax" tzuflifu@yahoo.com frater_carfax
Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:28 am (PDT)
Just to add....(far be it from me to make such bold claims running against the majority pagan consensus without primary evidence)
....an article dated 1 November 1899, Brisbane Courier showing that many good Scots of the time regarded the date as being Halloween in the antipodes...
http://tiny.cc/60cnm
Far be it from me to tell a Scot whether his interpretations of his own culture is accurate or not. I may end up on the wrong end of a hurled haggis...
LLL
Jonathan
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "Media Officer" media@paganawareness.net.au pan_inc_media
Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:30 am (PDT)
Hi John.
I don't think there is any significance in the fact that St Mary's canonisation date was kind of close to Halloween, but I must say I find the idea that kids might decide to go trick-or-treating in nun's habits this year to be awfully amusing.
Aside from that, many if not most Pagans in Australia don't see the point in celebrating an autumn harvest festival (which is what All Hallows or Samhain was originally) at the start of November.
A lot of Pagans celebrate Beltane at this time of year, a festival of life, fertility and growth. It's an auspicious time of year to flirt and pair off, to get married, and to make babies. If anything, the best example of how this is reflected in mainstream society is actually the Spring Racing Carnival, with the green grass underfoot and the fillies and stallions competing for attention.
Having said all that, once or twice my wife and I have donned costumes and put on a show for the kids trick-or-treating, just for the fun of it. As well as doling out the processed sugar, we told scary stories about the pagan origins of All Hallows and the night the Dead would walk the earth, and did mini-readings for them with the Tarot cards. At one point we had about 20 kids outside the front door listening avidly, the parents all hanging back in knots, confused that we were doing something different.
Personally I think Halloween is a way for kids to process their fears of things like death, monsters and the spirit world in a less confrontational way. It's more healthy than pushing these fears down and pretending none of it exists.
Pity it's at the wrong time of year.
Gavin Andrew
PAN Media Officer
(Yes, you can quote me.)
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:com
>
> hulloo friends,
>
> john elder here from the sunday age.
>
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
> any comments?
>
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "Media Officer" media@paganawareness.net.au pan_inc_media
Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:36 am (PDT)
Hi Jonathan,
>
> well, before the Pagan Anti-fun Police get in on the act, and then start raving about how its really Beltane blah blah blah....
>
I dunno about you, but I tend to associate Beltane automatically with fun (albeit of the adult kind.)
Giddyup!
Gavin
(No John, you can't quote me.)
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "Frater Carfax" tzuflifu@yahoo.com frater_carfax
Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:56 am (PDT)
Hey Gavin,
> I dunno about you, but I tend to associate Beltane automatically with > fun (albeit of the adult kind.)
>
> Giddyup!
Now Gavin, you know very well that in todays politically correct pagan scene that a Maypole is just a Maypole ;-P
LLL
Jonathan
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "gregorytk" gregorytk@bigpond.com theresa.venus
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:19 am (PDT)
Good response and description
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From: "Media Officer" <media@paganawareness.net.au >
To: <WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: o, another halloween story
> Hi John.
>
> I don't think there is any significance in the fact that St Mary's
> canonisation date was kind of close to Halloween, but I must say I find
> the idea that kids might decide to go trick-or-treating in nun's habits
> this year to be awfully amusing.
>
> Aside from that, many if not most Pagans in Australia don't see the point
> in celebrating an autumn harvest festival (which is what All Hallows or
> Samhain was originally) at the start of November.
>
> A lot of Pagans celebrate Beltane at this time of year, a festival of
> life, fertility and growth. It's an auspicious time of year to flirt and
> pair off, to get married, and to make babies. If anything, the best
> example of how this is reflected in mainstream society is actually the
> Spring Racing Carnival, with the green grass underfoot and the fillies and
> stallions competing for attention.
>
> Having said all that, once or twice my wife and I have donned costumes and
> put on a show for the kids trick-or-treating, just for the fun of it. As
> well as doling out the processed sugar, we told scary stories about the
> pagan origins of All Hallows and the night the Dead would walk the earth,
> and did mini-readings for them with the Tarot cards. At one point we had
> about 20 kids outside the front door listening avidly, the parents all
> hanging back in knots, confused that we were doing something different.
>
> Personally I think Halloween is a way for kids to process their fears of
> things like death, monsters and the spirit world in a less confrontational
> way. It's more healthy than pushing these fears down and pretending none
> of it exists.
>
> Pity it's at the wrong time of year.
>
> Gavin Andrew
> PAN Media Officer
>
> (Yes, you can quote me.)
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:com
>>
>> hulloo friends,
>>
>> john elder here from the sunday age.
>>
>> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a
>> neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time
>> Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only
>> masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told
>> me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this
>> year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of
>> weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>>
>> any comments?
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au carteblanche13
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:40 am (PDT)
I've always seen the unseasonal celebration of Hallowe'en (a Christian holiday, stuck on top of Samhain - except of course Samhain occurs in Autumn, not Spring)at a mainstream consumer-level as little more than an affected Americanism.
Then again I suppose people might feel that there is something "there" to celebrate, even if they have it all wrong.
best regards
C.B.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:com
>
> hulloo friends,
>
> john elder here from the sunday age.
>
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
> any comments?
>
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "M Lycett" megggz@netspace.net.au mmorrigu
Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:54 pm (PDT)
Hmmm, shame they're doing it at the wrong time of the year though :-/
meggs
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Elder" <jelder@theage.com.au >
To: <WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] RE: o, another halloween story
> hulloo friends,
>
> john elder here from the sunday age.
>
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a
> neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles
> is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks)
> and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they
> are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year
> because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks
> after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
> any comments?
>
> The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying
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>
> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
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> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
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> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au
Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:56 pm (PDT)
Hullooo again,
thank you all for your responses, even the vaguely cryptic ones.
John E
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "Ben Hopkinson" bjhopkinson@hotmail.com peloquin_24
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:04 pm (PDT)
Ugh,
Modern Halloween celebrations have about as much in common with Samhain as Christmas celebrations have with the birth of JC.
Both have become secular social and commercial exercises and therefore the whole discussion over whether we should be talking about Samhain, Beltaine, or Halloween is redundant.
Each is a separate event practiced (or not) according to beliefs. Is there a belief that Halloween as a secular, social event has relevance then go for it. I think it's great fun and I celebrate it in my own way every year.
From the perspective of John's pitch, I think Coles is trying to buy into a potentially lucrative market that I doubt will evolve into the door-knocking variety we associate with America, but will appeal to Australian community sentimentality.
Ben
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
From: tzuflifu@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:36:24 +0000
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: o, another halloween story
Hullooo John Elder - what good synchronicity...you must be psychic for something ;-P
well, before the Pagan Anti-fun Police get in on the act, and then start raving about how its really Beltane blah blah blah....
You might be interested to know that as a result of a little research I was doing today in archival Australian newspapers, I was able to confirm that Halloween has been celebrated in Australia for over 120 years on the 31 October within the Scottish immigrant community, particularly through their Caledonian Societies.
And still do today so it seems from some cursory checking (albeit some seem to have given it away).
Based on this I have no small amount of pleasure in affirming that Halloween is a proud part of Australian-Celtic colonial heritage.
So rather than bemoaning any sentiments of "Americanisation" - I think there is plenty of reasons for the discerning Australian neo-pagan to embrace it.
LLL
Jonathan
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:com
>
> hulloo friends,
>
> john elder here from the sunday age.
>
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
> any comments?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:10 pm (PDT)
Interestingly, the nanny state is already showing its hand. Out at Kurumburra, four years ago, some locals tried to cordon off a couple of streets so their kids could dress up and hassle the neighbours for lollies. aThe local council satepped in, took over and now stages an event at Coal Creek where kids have to pay $5 and visit six selected to sites to pick up their treats. The town has about 2700 people in it. This year the event is expected top attract more than 3000. Ugh to that I reckon.
_____________________ _________ _________ _
From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. [WitchesWorkshop@com yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of Ben Hopkinson [bjhopkinson@com hotmail.com ]
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2010 10:04 AM
To: witchesworkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: o, another halloween story
Ugh,
Modern Halloween celebrations have about as much in common with Samhain as Christmas celebrations have with the birth of JC.
Both have become secular social and commercial exercises and therefore the whole discussion over whether we should be talking about Samhain, Beltaine, or Halloween is redundant.
Each is a separate event practiced (or not) according to beliefs. Is there a belief that Halloween as a secular, social event has relevance then go for it. I think it's great fun and I celebrate it in my own way every year.
From the perspective of John's pitch, I think Coles is trying to buy into a potentially lucrative market that I doubt will evolve into the door-knocking variety we associate with America, but will appeal to Australian community sentimentality.
Ben
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
From: tzuflifu@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:36:24 +0000
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: o, another halloween story
Hullooo John Elder - what good synchronicity...you must be psychic for something ;-P
well, before the Pagan Anti-fun Police get in on the act, and then start raving about how its really Beltane blah blah blah....
You might be interested to know that as a result of a little research I was doing today in archival Australian newspapers, I was able to confirm that Halloween has been celebrated in Australia for over 120 years on the 31 October within the Scottish immigrant community, particularly through their Caledonian Societies.
And still do today so it seems from some cursory checking (albeit some seem to have given it away).
Based on this I have no small amount of pleasure in affirming that Halloween is a proud part of Australian-Celtic colonial heritage.
So rather than bemoaning any sentiments of "Americanisation" - I think there is plenty of reasons for the discerning Australian neo-pagan to embrace it.
LLL
Jonathan
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:com
>
> hulloo friends,
>
> john elder here from the sunday age.
>
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
> any comments?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
http://www.witchesworkshop.com
_____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
to these principles & to notify owner.
info@witchesworkshop.com
_____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx" gilligantor@yahoo.com.au xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:56 pm (PDT)
Yo,
Perhaps it might stop the shops from putting out chrissie decos in October - although they already have btw. In fact its a slightly amusing aside to consider all the angels and swaddling jesus's right next to the bloodied ghouls and Freddie Kruger masks at the Reject Shop.
I've noted some have rehashed a few left over cream eggs from easter too. Maybe its a 'buy one holiday, get two free' thing.
Perhaps we could come up with a generalised holiday deco/sweets bag with a dial to select your preferred holiday/religious denomination. And a jolly good hat. With a really big feather.
minka
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@> wrote:com
> >
> > hulloo friends,
> >
> > john elder here from the sunday age.
> >
> > i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
> >
> > any comments?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
> ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
>
> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>
> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>
> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
> http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
> to these principles & to notify owner.
>
> info@...
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx" gilligantor@yahoo.com.au xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:57 pm (PDT)
Yo,
Perhaps it might stop the shops from putting out chrissie decos in October - although they already have btw. In fact its a slightly amusing aside to consider all the angels and swaddling jesus's right next to the bloodied ghouls and Freddie Kruger masks at the Reject Shop.
I've noted some have rehashed a few left over cream eggs from easter too. Maybe its a 'buy one holiday, get two free' thing.
Perhaps we could come up with a generalised holiday deco/sweets bag with a dial to select your preferred holiday/religious denomination. And a jolly good hat. With a really big feather.
minka
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@> wrote:com
> >
> > hulloo friends,
> >
> > john elder here from the sunday age.
> >
> > i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au barbtrad
Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:12 pm (PDT)
Hi John.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:com
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> hulloo friends,
>
> john elder here from the sunday age.
>
> i'm working on a piece about the growing popularity of halloween at a neighborhood and community-event level. this year for the first time Coles is selling halloween costumes (where they have previously sold only masks) and otherwise marketing hard thjeir kent pumpkins etc. Coles told me they are offering a bigger range of Halloween related merchandise this year because of consumer demand. Intersting this is happening a couple of weeks after Saint Mary's canonisation.
>
> any comments?
Yeah some.
Firstly I disregard any co-relation with the canonization.
As for the commercial interest in Halloween: Look we live in a capitalist society, (far better than a Communist one IMO), and the fact that big business retailers are getting on board the Halloween train, to me is a positive step towards the normalization of pre Xtian festivals becoming part and parcel of our society.I mean bugger it all our days of the week are still named after Pagan deities! (someone must have slipped up badly there:-)
Yep! Negatives galore if one wants to dwell on them, not the least being the sale of cheap and nasty overseas made Halloween goods at greedy mark up prices... And the fact that a lot of the basic folk law tradition has been.. well... stuffed up a bit. Ie The trick and treat tradition. To my knowledge kids going door to door for lollies, then, if the treat is not forthcoming, then a trick.. (perhaps egging the miserable sods house, isn't exactly following tradition... not that I can't see the funny side of that, or an inherent touch of just retribution).. but, the tradition, as it passed down through our tradition varied a bit. The said monsters ( read kids) would knock on doors and perform a "trick" this could be a song or dance or a sleight of hand act, which would be suitably rewarded by the occupants of the house. A small variation but perhaps an important one in that the kids were not expecting something for nothing, but fair reward for effort. However, any negatives aside I believe that unless the Xtians decide to Xtianise Halloween it remains a remnant of older times resurrected. . A good thing no?
I, like Cotty, am a bit sick of this tub thumping from the modern Pagans about it being Sam bloody Hain or whatever, and not Halloween. It might be to them.. and bless their little boots and socks. No one would dare deny them their right to see things as they do. Old Sam Hain and his retinue of adherents, basically usurped Celtic lore and festivals that mean not a jot to some of us.
Halloween? Yay! Great time of the year for our kind IMO, even if our traditional celebrations might curl poor old Sam's toes.
Bill.
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Re: o, another halloween story
Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au
Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:08 pm (PDT)
hang on... is that the right way to spell ``giddyup!''? and Gavin.... just the one ``v''? just kiddin'
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Hi Jonathan,
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> well, before the Pagan Anti-fun Police get in on the act, and then start raving about how its really Beltane blah blah blah....
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I dunno about you, but I tend to associate Beltane automatically with fun (albeit of the adult kind.)
Giddyup!
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Re: Remembrance List - research needed
Posted by: "frances_tdm" lunanoire1@adam.com.au frances_tdm
Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:09 am (PDT)
Greetings Mark
If you are talking about those who have passed on, no - it is for anyone who has contributed to the Pagan community in some way, shape and form. I see that Graham's posting has come through with the list to date, so judging by the list, there is an assortment of names, traditions and the like.
I do think it is a rather interesting concept, and possibly something that my group may use at our Samhain remembrance next year
BB - Frances
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , Mark S Hepworth <mits@...> wrote:com
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> Hello Frances,
>
> Is this only for this last solar year?
>
> Regards,
> Mark Hepworth
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> On 27/10/2010 1:53 PM, frances_tdm wrote:
> >
> > Sorry - forgot to mention that two names came to my mind when George
> > contacted me were Hummy and Simon Goodman.
> >
> > If anyone is able to provide a short bio about these two gentlemen for
> > George, it would also be most appreciated.
> >
> > BB - Frances
> >
> > --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogrou ps.com>, "frances_tdm"
> > <lunanoire1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings All
> > >
> > > I thought I had posted a similar request but can't seem to find it
> > in the archives so thought I would forward an email I have also
> > received re the "Samhain" Remembrance List. Yes, I know that it's
> > Bealtaine here in the Southern Hemisphere but there is a list being
> > constructed and, well the rest is in the email.
> > >
> > > BB - Frances
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings all,
> > >
> > > Posted below is an email I received on the Yahoo Group Email_Witches
> > from George Knowles, the owner of the group and the related website:
> > >
> > > www.controverscial.com
> > >
> > > George has asked if help can be provided with the making of a
> > remembrance list of past pagan pioneers, founders and elders. Please,
> > if anyone can make any recommendations for additions to the list
> > appearing below, it would be very much appreciated - either by posting
> > here at WitchesWorkshop, or emailing myself direct at
> > >
> > > grahfurn@
> > >
> > > or George at
> > >
> > > themaninblackuk2001@
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> > > Where possible, please provide their names, dates of birth/death,
> > and a brief note about who they were and why they should be included.
> > >
> > > Many thanks and blessings, Graham.
> > >
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Halloween
Posted by: "cottytosmaid" cottytosmaid@yahoo.com.au cottytosmaid
Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:26 pm (PDT)
Greetings.
Once again we have this rather, (IMO), arrogant stance regarding Halloween. Those of you who celebrate Samhain or any of these other "trendy" Sabbatts, great guys! Wonderful! Whatever floats your boat. I'm not going to be rude and say, "Hey you have it all wrong". Why do you not extend the same courtesy to those of us who see Halloween as our traditional sabbatt? Just for your information; the Xtian All Souls day has been celebrated on the same day our older festival but that does not make it a Xtian festival any more than the Xtian usurping of Eostare makes that a Xtian festival.
As for the timing of the day: Well for Pagans who are really more into Earth-based festivals I can see your point in when and how you celebrate, but do try to understand, Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same. Few Witches of my acquaintance identify with Pagan.
This sort of arrogance and intolerance doesn't say much for people who are out there loudly beating the acceptance and tolerance drum. I'm not going to argue our case for what we do, when we do it or what we do, but our kind have done it that way for long time now and I assure you we have no intent to bow to your pressures and conform to what has become trendy. So please, off your soap boxes regarding how others name and celebrate their traditions
Cotty
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Re: Halloween
Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au carteblanche13
Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:20 pm (PDT)
Dear Cotty,
>Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same. Few Witches of my acquaintance identify with Pagan.
This is an important distinction, with historical and modern clout. Witches have (historically speaking) usually been a very seperate breed, even in Pagan times and cultures, and within those cultures (let us remember) they were/are usually feared, outcast, and often maligned by the great unWitched, the non-magical types of Pagan ("pagan" being used here to simply denote non-Judeo-Islamo-Christofascist sandal-beard monomania), even if they were/are also consulted (in secret or otherwise).
This dichotomy has even surfaced in this forum recently in the recent remarks by vicpagan regarding the institutionalisation and gentrification of modern "Witchcraft" as Wicca, particularly in America. The sense I get is of a Witch (magical-spontaneou s-anarchic- antinomian type) decrying the infiltration of non-Witch, non-magical, highly nomian and ego-structure- addicted, and merely Pagan-religious ethos in territory which purports to be the former, magical (and therefore untouchable) territory.
Note that this is a pattern which seems to occur with every major religion: you have the esoteric and magical essence which is viewed as dangerously free by the Mainstream Orthodoxy to whom the deeper mysteries are simply a vehicle for heirarchy and control, and under whose care it becomes calcified: in all cases, the party-pooper club views itself as The Orthodoxy, and everyone else as Heretics - and in every case they insist that only their way is The Way. Think about any number of (modern and) historical movements, fraternities and orders, and the pattern asserts itself in every case. And it never ends well for The Man! The Heretics always win, because Truth is on their side -- in the long run -- because no "system" is ever really "real" as such, but is simply an attempt at interpretation or management of something which is inherently chaotic and ultimately defiant of any definition and always a bit different than our words and conceptual structures allow us to pin it down to. Those who live by the word, will perish by the word, for the word is always secondary to the truth which it clothes.
However, how people use these terms (witch, pagan) as applied to themselves or others is often less clear-cut than how you or I might choose to use them and quite often their intended meaning overlaps.
I do not see this situation ever changing. It is not so much a matter of: "us vs them" as: "chalk vs cheese" - whatever your language is.
If I had to put my "spirituality" down on paper, I would put it down simply as "magic" for I see magic as the true inner essence of everything: religion, science, philosophy, art, culture, love, life, you name it. I am not Anglo-Saxon by heritage beyond it being my first language, so despite my love for the culture and history of the Anglo-Saxons and an inordinate fondness for the depth of the language, particularly its archaisms, I have no particular attachment to the term "witch", spelt with a "y" or otherwise, although I do things that can be called "witch". "Pagan" also applies, additionally, to me, whether it denotes either "active practitioner of Non-Abrahamic spirituality" (i.e. what adherents of that particular bane of human existence call "Pagan") or whether it denotes "person engaged in positive relationship with a particular resension of the belief-modalities from non-Judeo-Christian sources, including those of Classical and pre-Classical antiquity, and some extant forms presently surviving). I don't have a problem with either label, as they both apply as above defined - HOWEVER if someone meant "wiccan" when they said "witch"; or "New Ager of the group-seminar variety" when they said "Pagan", the term would not fit as well.
Now to your initial point, about Samhain and Hallowe'en. It is worth noting that those traditions you mention arose as a seasonal observation in the Northern Hemisphere and were, in fact, of "pagan" origin, although - the time of year the tradition holds Samhain (by "time of year" I mean Season, not Julian calendar date) and in a pre-industrial world this seasonal time meant literally everything. Time was only ever measured according to the moving cycles of relationship between the earth and celestial bodies, whether of the moon, or stars, or the sun. Days, months, years, minutes, hours, seconds - until post-industrial times, these were only ever measured by observation of the aforesaid relationships of celestial bodies to the earth - and this was not a matter of "oooh how romantic/fashionable" but of practical necessity and common sense. It was just how things were done.
Some would say that to observe Samhain on October 31st when living in the Southern Hemisphere "because that's what the tradition of the Old Country says" is like obeserving Dusk at 6.00am, or Noon at 0.00am, for the identical reason. The calendar -- all calendars, pagan, witch, whatever - arise from the Seasons, not the other way around.
This is one reason why Christianity will continue to crumble under the weight of its own unnatural dogma: it is divorced from all primary realities of sense and reason.
The preservation of a date for its own sake (as opposed to the observance-in-itself, which is a symbolic product of a temporal context - unless we want to miss the point of why it occurred when it did in traditional times entirely) is empty unless its deeper significance is understood, and that significance did in fact arise from a seasonal observation. The date itself is, some would say, little more than a quaint fossil or nostalgic sentiment unless you live in the Northern Hemisphere, where alone it makes any sense as a "date" (i.e. a "time") in itself.
Best regards
C.B.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "cottytosmaid" <cottytosmaid@com ...> wrote:
>
> Greetings.
>
> Once again we have this rather, (IMO), arrogant stance regarding Halloween. Those of you who celebrate Samhain or any of these other "trendy" Sabbatts, great guys! Wonderful! Whatever floats your boat. I'm not going to be rude and say, "Hey you have it all wrong". Why do you not extend the same courtesy to those of us who see Halloween as our traditional sabbatt? Just for your information; the Xtian All Souls day has been celebrated on the same day our older festival but that does not make it a Xtian festival any more than the Xtian usurping of Eostare makes that a Xtian festival.
>
> As for the timing of the day: Well for Pagans who are really more into Earth-based festivals I can see your point in when and how you celebrate, but do try to understand, Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same. Few Witches of my acquaintance identify with Pagan.
>
> This sort of arrogance and intolerance doesn't say much for people who are out there loudly beating the acceptance and tolerance drum. I'm not going to argue our case for what we do, when we do it or what we do, but our kind have done it that way for long time now and I assure you we have no intent to bow to your pressures and conform to what has become trendy. So please, off your soap boxes regarding how others name and celebrate their traditions
>
> Cotty
>
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Re: Wytchcraeft
Posted by: "Media Officer" media@paganawareness.net.au pan_inc_media
Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:40 pm (PDT)
Hi Hawthorn,
You wrote:
>
> I agree that Pagan spirituality is a perfectly normal and natural form of religious expression. But 'witchcraft', I'm not so sure about. I think in many ways we loose more than we gain in trying to make that word too safe.
>
> >Second, that many if not most people in the broader community don't >understand that - hence the mockery on one hand or the fear and >projection on the other.
>
> I'm not convinced that you can remove the fear about the 'W' word without loosing a significant part of its essence. I think it is disingenuos to try to separate the witch from her antinomian archetype.
>
Personally I see antinomianism in general as a normal and natural response to the status quo - witchcraft in one form or another seems to have a presence in most human societies throughout history.
More importantly, one of PAN's core messages is that discrimination against Pagans (of all traditions) is unacceptable in a tolerant and diverse community. PAN's education efforts exist to drive that message home and make it stick. Now, we can't very well include witchcraft under the Pagan umbrella and then not attempt to educate those who start throwing the word around ill-advisedly. That would be a massive lapse on our part.
> >Third, that the broader community is capable of questioning its >previous assumptions about us if we >put out information that they >can understand and relate to.
>
> I agree, but I think there is a tendency to dumb the information down to a point where it becomes counter productive, particularly when vociferous elements in our community then start to believe the dumbed down version and promote it (through repetition) as some sort >>of orthodoxy.
Oh, look, I agree with this 100%. I think this tendency is hugely damaging, and another of the reasons apart from what you've already cited is that it gives the impression to otherwise potentially open-minded clergy and religious academics that we are theologically unsophisticated and lack anything meaningful to contribute to society.
This is why I have spent a lot of time rewriting the information about Paganism on the PAN website, and why we're experimenting with (very carefully qualified) terms like 'indigenous European spirituality'. The challenge is to make the information more sophisticated and nuanced without lurching into obscurantism.
Gavin.
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Re: Wytchcraeft
Posted by: "xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx" gilligantor@yahoo.com.au xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx
Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:03 pm (PDT)
Hey,
> Probably information overload! I've been reading some american blogs. They all seem very concerned with acheiving respectability, and trying to re-create witchcraft in their own sanitised PC image!
>
See - that is what you get for reading too much! But at least you do not suffer the same need ;->
> Then I see what looks to me to be the same thing among various Aussie groups trying to attain perceived benifits by aping bureaucratic, institutionalised, organised religiousity!
>
Simple ain't easy. Complicated can keep you busy with what you 'know' more then what you can 'discover'.
> I've also been reading a few old introductory witchcraft texts, and I'm appaled at how dumbed down many of them now appear to me! Nearly all of them (with only a very few notable exceptions) seem to emphasis form, rather over essence!
>
I'm picturing vials of essence of witchcraft. Would it smell like sweat smoke and old libraries, or a loved one as you lie next to them?
Perhaps the ability to find what one wants has killed the desire to look for it? The over-abundance of information on magic/occult has simultaneously increased interest and killed it.
Maybe a TAFE course model for the occult would be better - where you have to do the theory reading but you can't pass being a witch until you have minimum of work experience hours on the 'field' to support it.
Hang on, I just pictured you as an applicant trying to get a job as a teacher for that. :D Oh and dealing with attendance reports - "Jo, you didn't attend the class on ritual invocation - "Drawing down the moon". You must do a re-sit but we have to wait until next month..."
[Okay yes I work in TAFE and it is resulting time: oh the fun.]
Anyway - if you were to write a text on the subject what would it contain? And what would it merely allude to so everyone is left wondering what the heck you are talking about and have go and find out for themselves (which begs the question why write anything about witchcraft at all?).
minka
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Re: Wytchcraeft
Posted by: "vicpagan" thepaganz@hotmail.com vicpagan
Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:31 pm (PDT)
Hi Minka
You wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> >...(snipped) trying to re-create witchcraft in their own sanitised PC image!
> >
>
> See - that is what you get for reading too much! But at least you >do not suffer the same need ;->
Oh, I'm constantly re-inventing witchcraft, its just not very PC!
> Simple ain't easy. Complicated can keep you busy with what you 'know' more then what you can 'discover'.
More dancing naked around the fire and less time on the internet would probably go a long way!!
> I'm picturing vials of essence of witchcraft. Would it smell like sweat smoke and old libraries, or a loved one as you lie next to them?
For me it would be wood smoke, wormwood scented oil and sweat!
> Perhaps the ability to find what one wants has killed the desire to look for it? The over-abundance of information on magic/occult has simultaneously increased interest and killed it.
Everyone wants to be special, few want to work at it, being part of something new and a bit spooky seems cool. I just don't feel like pandering to that mentality.
> Hang on, I just pictured you as an applicant trying to get a job as a teacher for that. :D Oh and dealing with attendance reports - "Jo, you didn't attend the class on ritual invocation - "Drawing down the moon". You must do a re-sit but we have to wait until next month..."
I shudder to think on it!
> Anyway - if you were to write a text on the subject what would it contain?
Lots of nude pictures?
>And what would it merely allude to so everyone is left wondering >what the heck you are talking about and have go and find out for >themselves
I'd try to evoke (however poorly) some sense of awe and bliss that I feel when I conect with the magick!
(which begs the question why write anything about witchcraft at all?).
I actually enjoy reading books about the craft, even the ones I disagree with have often inspired me, or I did until they started to read like bad clones of each other!
I think we have barely scatched the surface of what witchcraft writing could be!
BB
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Re: Wytchcraeft
Posted by: "vicpagan" thepaganz@hotmail.com vicpagan
Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:43 pm (PDT)
Hi Gav
You wrote:-
> Personally I see antinomianism in general as a normal and natural response to the status quo - witchcraft in one form or another seems to have a presence in most human societies throughout history.
I agree, which is why I think it is kind of ironic that some people think they can replace the Archetypal witch with their sanitised PC version!
> Now, we can't very well include witchcraft under the Pagan umbrella and then not attempt to educate those who start throwing the word around ill-advisedly. That would be a massive lapse on our part.
And yet more and more writings come out every year portraying the witch as some sort of saccharine Disney World character!
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Pagan Travel to UK and Ireland
Posted by: "Christine" christinec349@yahoo.com.au christinec349
Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:57 pm (PDT)
Hi all
Firstly, apologies for cross posting.
After fantastic tours this year, Dragon's Eye Tours is once again pleased to announce its 2011 season of sacred sites tours of pilgrimage and magick, the first to the West Country of England and Cornwall, and the second to Ireland.
Departing London on 6 September and Dublin on 18 September 2011, both tours are
especially designed for those who have a love of history, a passion for the
mystical, and a desire to visit some of the most beautiful and sacred places in
these most ancient lands. We are thrilled to have as guest guide for both tours
English witch Laura Daligan.
Combining well-researched historical and archaeological information with the
assistance of expert guides, we shall explore myth and legend, visit holy wells,
stone circles, pagan temples, ancient castles, pretty villages and passage
tombs. In the West Country, we shall walk Britain's oldest road and in Ireland
drive the stunningly beautiful North Antrim Coast.
On the eleven day West Country tour, we have exclusive access to Stonehenge
where we will take part in a sacred ritual led by a Druid priestess. Ronald
Hutton, a leading authority on ancient and medieval paganism, magic, and the
Arthurian myths will guide us around Glastonbury and Maria Wheatley will show us
how to dowse for energy lines in the great stone circle at Avebury. We wlll also
visit the Roman Baths at Bath and Tintagel Castle, the legendary birthplace of
King Arthur.
The ten day Irish tour will feature witches, Janet Farrar and Gavin Bone, who
will spend two days with us during our visit to the Boyne Valley. Janet and
Gavin will take us to Tara, Loughcrew and Four Knocks Passage Tombs and to St
Kieran's holy well where they will facilitate guided meditations and rituals.
In Ireland we will also visit the great passage tombs of Newgrange and Knowth,
Beaghmore stone circles and the great mound of Emain Macha.
Travelling with a small group and with plenty of personal time to relax, wander,
explore, meditate and experience the power and energy of the special places we
visit, an exceptional holiday experience is assured.
For more information, see www.dragonseyetours.com
Cheers and BB
Christine
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