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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Margaret Green" domnu01@yahoo.com.au   domnu01

Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:57 am (PST)



Hi,
 
I dont comment very often but I do enjoy reading the posts from everyone in this group. So I say keep it going!
 
Meg

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:06 am (PST)



I never look at the Facebook version of Witches Workshop - or very rarely
anyway. There's nothing that really alerts me on Facebook to look at it,
like I don't really see any notifications that anyone has said or done
anything there, well, perhaps sometimes, but as I said, rarely. That might
be because I have 4000+ 'friends' on Facebook and their activities clog up
my 'Home'... I don't know. But the email Witches Workshop comes to my email
and I do look at it.

I don't actually know where all the hundreds of chatters that _used to be_
regular contributors have gone though.

~Caroline.


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From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ozpagan
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 5:44 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves
into a corner?

Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of
the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an
indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to
what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like
it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking
word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.

If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be
it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets
(eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even
laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply
communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.

While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo
Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page
instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how
difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.

This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop
Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this
mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big
sister on Yahoo?

As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while
it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the
Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when
you look at activity on each platform.

Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see
their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece
about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and
some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of
"sharing".

Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several
stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read
these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their
friends.

This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a
moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go
to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's
something important happening.

I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup
community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with
the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think
could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a
future?

vinum sabbati,
Tim

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Helgs" helgarh@yahoo.com   helgarh

Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:37 am (PST)



Namaste Tim,
 
I can certainly say that Facebook is gaining in popularity as most of the people I have as friends, family, etc. seem to be using it.  However, I don't have the time nor the inclination to join facebook.  I am quite content to remain amongst possibly the minority as Facebook grows.  The membership in Yahoo may not grow as much as on Facebook, however for some it is a matter of preference.
 
Granted it is a much wider platform for sharing but I am content with this eGroup.  I "know" a lot of people in this group either personally or over the years as posters to the group.  To me it seems to be more personal rather than having anyone check out a person or group on Facebook.  Whilst I appreciate you can choose to be public or selective there, I feel safer here, so here I am to stay.
 
Helgs

________________________________
Ozpagan <timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com>
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?

vinum sabbati,
Tim

------------------------------------

____________________ ooo)(0({O})0)(ooo____________________

Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
http://www.witchesworkshop.com/Circle/circle_workshop.html

Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sydney-Australia/WitchesWorkshop/135651219624

WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
http://www.witchcampaustralia.org.au
http://www.witchesworkshop.com
__________________________________________________________

The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our 
communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
to these principles & to notify owner.

info@witchesworkshop.com
__________________________________________________________

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Ozpagan" timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com   wwwozpagancom

Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:51 am (PST)





--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <layladel@...> wrote:
>
> Oh no I love my groups!
>
> Facebook and Yahoo groups are two very different things. You just can’t have a good discussion on facebook.
>
> What I do like about facebook is the sharing of articles and videos. I’d probably never click on a link in a yahoo email.
>
> Mel

Hi Mel, you actually raise a good point of distinction, that the orientation is different. Traditionally Yahoo eGroups are designed to be received via email, while Facebook is very definitely a web page or at least these days an "App" based experience.

I guess what I see, and have personally experienced, is a change of tools used to access online interactions. Eg, I'm using an iPad to write this reply, which is fine because the screen is virtually as large as my laptop (but a whole lot lighter and cooler); but typically during the week I use my iPhone. Trying to reply on the iPhone for anything longer than a couple of sentences is painful and not very practical.

As for discussion or a lack of discussion on Facebook, I'd have to agree, people seem less inclined to discuss things in depth. People using Facebook serve short bites and "shares" because they are time poor? It's not impossible to have meaningful discuss, but perhaps my observation also of the change of tools used to interact online is a bigger influence than is given credit.

However in contrast, some of the benefits of these short "shares" was illustrated recently on a UK visit. I was able to snap pictures at a meet-up of the London "Secret Chiefs" and update my status live to my Facebook group and personal prolfile page and the pictures virtually went live has was happening.

vinum sabbati,
Tim

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Mel" layladel@netspace.net.au   ishtar_scion

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:11 am (PST)



I think that’s exactly it Tim, the devices people are using have a huge influence over what they’re doing online. My laptop is vital to running my business but I’m finding more and more ways to do it on the ipad instead.
Our smart phones are always on us but our computers aren’t. We’re always connected but and as you said the phones are not that great for email.

I joined the witches workshop group but I couldn’t find the “page”. I assume you have both. I think facebook groups need a lot of work. Something I’d love to see is the ability to reply to a specific comment so that if comment threads split into 2 or 3 discussions they can be followed easily.

Have you joined goole+ yet? lol

Mel

From: Ozpagan
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:51 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
However in contrast, some of the benefits of these short "shares" was illustrated recently on a UK visit. I was able to snap pictures at a meet-up of the London "Secret Chiefs" and update my status live to my Facebook group and personal prolfile page and the pictures virtually went live has was happening.

vinum sabbati,
Tim

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au" mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au   mardi_wallis

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:42 am (PST)



I think e groups are not "old" the thing is different people prefer a different type of media. To be honest I came to yahoo groups after looking and looking for a forum for Australian witches.
I found it very hard to find many active forums.
The other thing is to keep an e group alive or any type of online media you have to rely on shout outs.
Not just how many people are going to google you.
I have no idea what you guys do when it comes to this as I am new.
But that's just some input from an I.T student.

Sent from my iPod

On 15/01/2012, at 4:43 PM, "Ozpagan" <timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com> wrote:

> Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.
>
> If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.
>
> While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.
>
> This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?
>
> As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when you look at activity on each platform.
>
> Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of "sharing".
>
> Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their friends.
>
> This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's something important happening.
>
> I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
>

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:02 pm (PST)



Hello Tim and All.

Well I dislike facebook and prefer the Yahoo lists as my means of communication. Certainly the lists have not had the amount of posts they once had, but is that because of a migration to facebook or just a general slowdown?

A couple of lists I'm on are actually getting more traffic on their Yahoo list than their facebook equivalent..So who knows?

Anyway partly because of personal preference, partly because I struggle with the format on facebook I will be staying with the Yahoo lists.. and hope facebook is a mere fad and will die away.

Bill.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Ozpagan" <timozpagan@...> wrote:
>
> Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.
>
> If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.
>
> While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.
>
> This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?
>
> As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when you look at activity on each platform.
>
> Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of "sharing".
>
> Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their friends.
>
> This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's something important happening.
>
> I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:28 pm (PST)



And I don't even _have_ a mobile phone, so I won't be looking at anything on it - as it doesn't exist.

~Caroline.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <layladel@...> wrote:
>
> I think that’s exactly it Tim, the devices people are using have a huge influence over what they’re doing online. My laptop is vital to running my business but I’m finding more and more ways to do it on the ipad instead.
> Our smart phones are always on us but our computers aren’t. We’re always connected but and as you said the phones are not that great for email.
>
> I joined the witches workshop group but I couldn’t find the “page”. I assume you have both. I think facebook groups need a lot of work. Something I’d love to see is the ability to reply to a specific comment so that if comment threads split into 2 or 3 discussions they can be followed easily.
>
> Have you joined goole+ yet? lol
>
> Mel
>
> From: Ozpagan
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:51 PM
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?
> However in contrast, some of the benefits of these short "shares" was illustrated recently on a UK visit. I was able to snap pictures at a meet-up of the London "Secret Chiefs" and update my status live to my Facebook group and personal prolfile page and the pictures virtually went live has was happening.
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:32 pm (PST)



Yes, with Facebook, I see that as another 'free web presence' primarily, and I also have very brief conversations on there - on my and other people's walls. Within the FB email I do also have conversations, but I much prefer 'regular' email. I have found FB good for networking though. And its a bit like collecting swap cards, I do like the images people have for their profile pics and that often influences me on who I accept friend applications from. (Shallow Me! - but no, I mean its about artistic effort... among other things).

~Caroline.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Caroline Tully" <heliade@...> wrote:
>
> And I don't even _have_ a mobile phone, so I won't be looking at anything on it - as it doesn't exist.
>
> ~Caroline.

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Janeena Woodville" j_woodville@hotmail.com   oleander_dramaqueen

Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:28 pm (PST)




Hi Tim,
I have to be honest and say I just don't log on to yahoo any more - mainly as I no longer have a PC and just use my smart phone for facebook. I've kind of forgotten about my yahoo groups - might have a look now and see what I've been missing. But, having said that, I prefer the yahoo group format to the fb one. I don't believe facebook has privacy so will never comment on or like anything that comes through witches workshop via facebook.
Just my feedback. I know facebook is where everyone goes these days (myself included), and that the range is tremendous, but don't trust it for security.
Cheers and BB, Janeena Woodville


To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
From: timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 06:43:49 +0000
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.

If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.

While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.

This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?

As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when you look at activity on each platform.

Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of "sharing".

Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their friends.

This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's something important happening.

I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?

vinum sabbati,
Tim



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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "john colley" Helliconia54@yahoo.com.au   helliconia54

Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:45 pm (PST)



I'm from the old school and don't fall for the "you just gotta have a smart phone" set.If i want emails i use my computer.My mobile phone is just that.A PHONE.(ok so its got a snap shot camera built in) I find having a discussion like this one is far easier via email..Horses for courses.They both have pros and cons.

 
"There is magic in the feel of a paddle and the movement of a canoe, a magic compounded of distance, adventure, solitude, and peace."
-Sigurd Olson

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From: "mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au" <mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au>
To: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com" <WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?


 
I think e groups are not "old" the thing is different people prefer a different type of media. To be honest I came to yahoo groups after looking and looking for a forum for Australian witches.
I found it very hard to find many active forums.
The other thing is to keep an e group alive or any type of online media you have to rely on shout outs.
Not just how many people are going to google you.
I have no idea what you guys do when it comes to this as I am new.
But that's just some input from an I.T student.

Sent from my iPod

On 15/01/2012, at 4:43 PM, "Ozpagan" <timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com> wrote:

> Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.
>
> If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.
>
> While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.
>
> This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?
>
> As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when you look at activity on each platform.
>
> Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of "sharing".
>
> Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their friends.
>
> This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's something important happening.
>
> I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
>

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Re: Witchfather - A Life of Gerald Gardner

Posted by: "mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au" mardi_wallis@yahoo.com.au   mardi_wallis

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:45 am (PST)



Hmm interesting I will check it out when the printed copy comes out as I seem to find it extremely hard personally to read e-books. :)

Sent from my iPod

On 15/01/2012, at 3:24 PM, "Ozpagan" <timozpagan@witchesworkshop.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks Caroline, this looks very interesting. Worth following up.
> I'll have to say their marketing strategy is odd though; surely it would make more sense to sell copies of the actual book with an option for a free ebook now while you wait for the print copy.
> Vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Caroline Tully" <heliade@...> wrote:
> >
> > Forwarding….
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: [thewicca] Witchfather - A Life of Gerald Gardner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You might like to know that my new biography of Gerald Gardner is now
> > available in electronic (pdf) format. Details are given below. The printed
> > version will follow shortly.
> >
> > New eBook releases by Philip Heselton through Thoth Publications
> >
> > Witchfather
> > A Life of Gerald Gardner
> > Volume 1. Into the Witch Cult, 330 Pages
> > Volume 2. From Witch Cult to Wicca, 426 pages
> >
> > eBooks priced at only £6.99 each are available now to read from
> > www.thoth.co.uk
> >
> > Printed books available soon
> >
> > From the author of the highly acclaimed "Wiccan Roots", this is the first
> > full-length biography of Gerald Brosseau Gardner (1884-1964) - a very
> > personal tale of the man who single-handedly brought about the revival of
> > witchcraft in England in the mid 20th Century.
> >
> > From his birth into an old family of wealthy Liverpool merchants, through an
> > unconventional upbringing by his flamboyant governess in the resorts of the
> > Mediterranean and Madeira, it tells how, having taught himself to read, his
> > life was changed by finding a book on spiritualism.
> >
> > During a working life as a tea and rubber planter in Ceylon, Borneo and
> > Malaya, he came to know the native people and was invited to their secret
> > rituals.
> >
> > But it was only on his retirement to England, settling on the edge of the
> > New Forest in Hampshire, that destiny took him firmly by the hand. Through
> > various twists and turns involving naturist clubs and a strange esoteric
> > theatre, he became friends with a group of people who eventually revealed
> > their true identity - they were members of a surviving witch coven.
> >
> > One evening in 1939, as the hounds of war were being unleashed, he was
> > initiated into the witch cult by these people, who called themselves 'the
> > Wica'. Gardner was overwhelmed by the experience and was determined that the
> > witch cult should survive.
> >
> > This book chronicles his efforts over the remaining quarter century of his
> > life to ensure not only that it survived but that it would become the
> > significant player on the world religious stage that it now is "the only
> > religion that England has ever given the world", in the words of Ronald
> > Hutton, Professor of History at the University of Bristol, who calls it "a
> > very fine book: humane, intelligent, compassionate, shrewd, and based upon a
> > colossal amount of primary research".
> >
> > Born in 1946, Philip Heselton is a geographer and retired local government
> > officer who has written extensively on Earth Mysteries and our spiritual
> > relationship with the landscape. He has also carried out extensive research
> > into the story of the modern witchcraft revival, chronicled in his books,
> > "Wiccan Roots" and "Gerald Gardner and the Cauldron of Inspiration".
> >
> > Hutton has described him as being "the most interesting, valuable and
> > enjoyable author who has yet written on what is becoming one of the greatest
> > riddles in the history of modern religion: the origins of pagan witchcraft.
> > &#133; Nobody has ever done more than Philip Heselton to reveal the world of
> > magic, paganism, naturism and faerie that lay behind the garden gates of
> > inter-war English suburban villas; and perhaps only he could have done it at
> > all."
> >
> > eBooks priced at only £6.99 each are available now to read from
> > www.thoth.co.uk
> >
> > Printed books available soon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Facebook/Yahoo

Posted by: "aine99991" aine99991@yahoo.com   aine99991

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:08 pm (PST)



I much prefer our yahoo site. It is more personal, we do have deeper conversations and it is far more private. Facebook I haven't used often until recently and that is regarding my passion for my animals and those things I do not mind all and sundry reading.
At the moment I have been a bit side-tracked in the following of my path, which is sad when it is now when I need it most. Actually writing down things clears things up and another penny just dropped, where I realise that I may have been remiss in not celebrating the sabbats or spelling or other witch related tasks. My present circumstance ARE part of my spiritual journey.
OK I will be clearer. On moving to my present address I fractured my back, being a woman I tried to soldier on, until the pain became so bad that I ended up in hospital where I spent a frustrating 3 weeks. And at the end of that little sorjourn I was told that I have bone cancer. So since June last year I have been having ongoing treatment. Upteen needles (I hate needles) medication for my treatment and for pain. Things being inserted into my body and in a couple of weeks another stint in hospital as my stem cells are put back into my body via more needles and tubes and machines. My movements are limited, can't go take my dogs for walks, the pain is always with me. I can no longer work. Can't sit for long, stand for long etc etc..
The worse part for me (being totally alone) is trying to get proper care (with only a pension to live off) for my animals. And the lack of understanding regarding my concerns about my beloved animals (both cats and dogs) so much so that when I finally feel able I am going to put myself out there and offer to care for the pets of those who are in the same situation as I, those who are stuck in hospitals or hospices. First I have to become stronger and get through this hospital stay. Well sorry to have rabbited on just to let you know why I have not been too talkative lately even though I enjoy the posts and the little tiffs which are ok too as we all need to sort things out regarding our beliefs and other matters. :) Blessings all Aine

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Electric Eden: Book corner

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:39 pm (PST)



I can't help plugging this new book, it's got chapters in it on Aleister
Crowley and Alex Sanders....among other things...

http://www.electriceden.net/2010/09/book-corner.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/aug/07/electric-eden-folk-rob-young

http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2010/07/electric-eden-music-young-folk

~Caroline Tully

Necropolis Now Blog
http://necropolisnow.blogspot.com/

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Interview with Rob Young, author of "Electric Eden".

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:39 pm (PST)



The Wild Hunt > Interview with Rob Young, author of "Electric Eden:
Unearthing Britain's Visionary Music"

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/10/interview-with-rob-young-autho
r-of-electric-eden-unearthing-britains-visionary-music.html

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Sir James George Frazer

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:21 pm (PST)



Sir James George Frazer, author of 'The Golden Bough'.

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/books/book-reviews/sir_james_george_frazer
_an_author_of_many_destinies_1_2046957

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