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1a.

Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:09 am (PST)



Hi Tim,

In my view, this yahoo group is valuable precisely because it has been in use for so long, and, whatever the rest of the world might be doing, there'll always be a place for out-of-the-way nooks with plain text. It's valuable for those who choose to ignore facebook, or who use Facebook for other things which they have no intention of associating publicly with witchcraft etc.

Important to have as many online alternatives as possible.

And there will never be anything wrong with "old school".

Not only is there Facebook but hundreds of other alternative fora and sites that have become apparent since the heady days when Yahoo Groups were the big cheese.

There's something nice about the fact it's just text, too. All the flashy content-milking is great but it's nice to have a break from it too.

I agree though that it's a great shame Yahoo haven't made, eg., an iphone app for "Groups", which would be a great tool. Their absence of mobile platform is a nuisance.

C.B.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Ozpagan" <timozpagan@...> wrote:
>
> Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.
>
> If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop and even laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You simply communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.
>
> While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.
>
> This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?
>
> As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when you look at activity on each platform.
>
> Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of "sharing".
>
> Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their friends.
>
> This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's something important happening.
>
> I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Tish" deborahs23@optusnet.com.au   morticia_its_me

Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:17 am (PST)



You would be surprised though at the number of people
who simply do not use mobile phones..people are finally waking up
to the fact they do not need to be on call 24/7..I find mobile phones
very intrusive..



Tish




-------Original Message-------

From: carteblanche13
Date: 16/01/2012 11:09:43 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted
themselves into a corner?


Hi Tim,

In my view, this yahoo group is valuable precisely because it has been in
use for so long, and, whatever the rest of the world might be doing, there
ll always be a place for out-of-the-way nooks with plain text. It's valuable
for those who choose to ignore facebook, or who use Facebook for other
things which they have no intention of associating publicly with witchcraft
etc.

Important to have as many online alternatives as possible.

And there will never be anything wrong with "old school".

Not only is there Facebook but hundreds of other alternative fora and sites
that have become apparent since the heady days when Yahoo Groups were the
big cheese.

There's something nice about the fact it's just text, too. All the flashy
content-milking is great but it's nice to have a break from it too.

I agree though that it's a great shame Yahoo haven't made, eg., an iphone
app for "Groups", which would be a great tool. Their absence of mobile
platform is a nuisance.

C.B.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Ozpagan" <timozpagan@...> wrote:
>
> Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan community of
the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties" it was an
indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your global guide to
what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the eGroup was looking like
it was ready for extinction. The new king of the online social networking
word was "Facebook" and had surpassed Yahoo.
>
> If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it would
be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart phones and
tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-passed the old desktop
and even laptop computing completely for a device in their pocket. You
simply communicate where and whenever you like from your phone.
>
> While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your Yahoo
Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a web-page
instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this knows just how
difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart phone screen.
>
> This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate
WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced Facebook
early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook Group has been
drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?
>
> As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members while
it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210 members on the
Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences though are revealed when
you look at activity on each platform.
>
> Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends see
their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was a piece
about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a written post and
some pictures, but had a total 548 people interested and generated a lot of
sharing".
>
> Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across several
stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how many people read
these stories or whether these stories were further "shared" to their
friends.
>
> This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a
moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it will go
to almost every member on our list. I only use this function when there's
something important happening.
>
> I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo
eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences you have
with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if you like. What do
think could be happening to our audience and membership based on Yahoo? Is
there a future?
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>





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1c.

Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "scott_bisseker" nu_scott@hotmail.com   scott_bisseker

Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:15 pm (PST)



Greetings Tim,

I have expressed several times my gratitude for the work you have done for the various circles in one way or another over the years. This should most ccertainly include this Yahoo group AND the one on FaceBook!

There will always be new technology arising to supersede the old. As Pagans, Witches, Occultists what have you .. our very existence proves this fact all too clearly. The situation I believe is clear - that it is not the circumstance that dictates but rather our consciously chosen reactions to any given circumstance.

I use FaceBook a lot. I do so because it serves the requirements I have well. I also have other requirements and some of these are served by yahoo groups, emails and by things as simple as phones and post it notes. I use whatever tool suits the requirement I have best.

As long as there is a desire to say something in more than one or two line rejoinders, there will be at least one way in which Facebook really won't "cut it".

I use the Facebook Witches Workshop as well as this one but sparingly simply because I find there is little about our (loosely) life circumstance and paths that are adequately summed up in such cramped quarters. That said, occasionally it fits the bill and so it is in my "tool box".

It was indeed a wise move to establish a presence early but I would suggest it will serve a different purpose for a different clientele to that which this list does. That is how it should be.

The work continues and we have a wide variety of tools. Only the foolish or inexperienced would limit themselves for no good reason. I for one am happy to have a full tool box! *BG*

Subsisto

SCott

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Re: 2012: Have Yahoo Pagan Groups painted themselves into a corner?

Posted by: "Suzanne Naseby" suzanne@wytchyways.com   suzanne_wytchyways

Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:21 pm (PST)



hello Tim ... i trust you and Tori had a fabulous time in the
'homelands' ... going by your pics, you absolutely DID!
i am, of course, jealous as all hell ;)
i hope you plan to hold a little soiree so i can see and hear all
about your travels ... i still haven't visited your 'new' home.

this FB v eGroups question is a bit of a conundrum ... i don't
understand why folk prefer FB over eGroup for 'proper' discussion and
sharing of information ... FB is fine for little thoughts and sharing
links and photos etc ... but i don't see it replacing Yahoo groups at
all.

i think everyone is suffering 'information overload' ... maybe after a
time, when the FB/social network dust has settled, people will see the
merits of eGroups ... or maybe Yahoo etc will see an opportunity to
relaunch in a new, easier to use format ... i mean the data bases are
all still there ... waiting to connect with people who are
conveniently grouped in common interest clusters.

do you have any plans for your Yahoo group?

my WytchyWays Yahoo group was always just a sort of newsletter for
me ... so now i have my MailChimp newsletter i don't need to use my
Yahoo group,except to filter new members to my newsletter ...
PaganBuddies is still there, and still gets the odd new membership,
but i don't do anything with it except approve memberships and
moderate spam.

what sort of feedback on this have you had?

suzanne x

On 15/01/2012, at 5:43 PM, Ozpagan wrote:

> Once upon a time Yahoo Groups ruled! For the burgeoning Pagan
> community of the late 1990s and the first decade of the "naughties"
> it was an indispensable networking tool. eGroups were literally your
> global guide to what was happening in the Pagan world. By 2011 the
> eGroup was looking like it was ready for extinction. The new king of
> the online social networking word was "Facebook" and had surpassed
> Yahoo.
>
> If there's one factor that can identify the success of Facebook it
> would be it's embracing of mobile devices. In 2011 users of smart
> phones and tablets (eg iPhone, iPod & iPad) meant they could by-
> passed the old desktop and even laptop computing completely for a
> device in their pocket. You simply communicate where and whenever
> you like from your phone.
>
> While it is 'sort of' possible to do this on a smart phone for your
> Yahoo Groups it is not made very easy, because it wants to render a
> web-page instead of a clearer mobile-page. Anyone who has tried this
> knows just how difficult it can be to 'read' web-pages on a smart
> phone screen.
>
> This was I believe one of factors affecting our once vibrate
> WitchesWorkshop Yahoo eGroup. Luckily WitchesWorkshop embraced
> Facebook early on. Does this mean our Facebook Page and Facebook
> Group has been drowned out it's big sister on Yahoo?
>
> As of January 2012 WitchesWorkshop "Facebook Group" has 1400 members
> while it's "Fan Page" has 1646 members. This compares with 2210
> members on the Yahoo WitchesWorkshop eGroup. The real differences
> though are revealed when you look at activity on each platform.
>
> Our Facebook Fan Page of 1,646 Members had 586,780 of their friends
> see their "like" to our Page. The most popular story in December was
> a piece about the Solstice at Stonehenge. This was split between a
> written post and some pictures, but had a total 548 people
> interested and generated a lot of "sharing".
>
> Our Yahoo eGroup had in contrast a total number of 68 posts across
> several stories. Unfortunately we don't have any breakdown on how
> many people read these stories or whether these stories were further
> "shared" to their friends.
>
> This email is being sent out as a "special announcement", which is a
> moderator privilege and as such I don't do it very often because it
> will go to almost every member on our list. I only use this function
> when there's something important happening.
>
> I'd like feedback on what our members feel is happening to our Yahoo
> eGroup community and whether there's any experiences or preferences
> you have with the different platforms; a Yahoo versus Facebook if
> you like. What do think could be happening to our audience and
> membership based on Yahoo? Is there a future?
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim
>
>

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Re: Interview with Rob Young, author of "Electric Eden".

Posted by: "Tish" deborahs23@optusnet.com.au   morticia_its_me

Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:26 am (PST)



Caroline I have just got to thank you for your
wonderful posts here..I see your name I know that I am always in
for a very interesting read..:-))

Again thanks

Tish




-------Original Message-------

From: Caroline Tully
Date: 16/01/2012 2:40:05 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Interview with Rob Young, author of "Electric
Eden".


The Wild Hunt > Interview with Rob Young, author of "Electric Eden:
Unearthing Britain's Visionary Music"

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/10/interview-with-rob-young-autho
r-of-electric-eden-unearthing-britains-visionary-music.html





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Elish does it again!

Posted by: "Helgs" helgarh@yahoo.com   helgarh

Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:49 pm (PST)



Had to admit to having a bit of a chuckle over this article.
 
http://www.news.com.au/national/father-bob-maguire-angry-over-witch-hijacking-wedding-ceremony/story-e6frfkvr-1226245974027
 
Helgs

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Re: Elish does it again!

Posted by: "Media Officer" media@paganawareness.net.au   pan_inc_media

Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:33 pm (PST)



Having seen the email in which Fr Bob requests changes to Eilish's ceremony and approves (grudgingly) the rest, I have to say that as much as she makes my job a nightmare, the blame isn't entirely hers this time.

The rest is just trash journalism.

Gavin Andrew
PAN media officer.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Helgs <helgarh@...> wrote:
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> Had to admit to having a bit of a chuckle over this article.
>  
> http://www.news.com.au/national/father-bob-maguire-angry-over-witch-hijacking-wedding-ceremony/story-e6frfkvr-1226245974027
>  
> Helgs
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Goddess Thealogy

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:23 pm (PST)





I see that the first issue of a new online journal, "Goddess Thealogy" is
just out. Available free at

http://www.thealogyanddeasophy.org/GoddessThealogy_1_1_2012.pdf

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