Messages In This Digest (15 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: Frater Carfax
- 1b.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: carteblanche13
- 1c.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: lord_dracule_clan
- 1d.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: John Elder
- 1e.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: John Elder
- 1f.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: M Lycett
- 1g.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: John Elder
- 1h.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: M Lycett
- 1i.
- Re: Nevill Drury? From: John Elder
- 2.
- Northwest Style Frame Drum Making Class - Saturday November 6, 2010 From: New Pagan Journeys
- 3a.
- Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same From: Wefneck
- 3b.
- Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same From: carteblanche13
- 3c.
- Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same From: Wefneck
- 3d.
- Police Guidelines on how to behave when being sacrificed to a Pagan From: garyq@email.com
- 3e.
- Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same From: carteblanche13
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "Frater Carfax" tzuflifu@yahoo.com frater_carfax
Wed Nov 3, 2010 3:27 am (PDT)
Hi Adrienne
> Surely if a gentleman such as Mr Drury passed on, there would be
> many an obituary and literary toast to his contribution, but
> nothing to be found...
well, that is what I thought, but an associate recently found a large collection of occult books at a dealer and was told by the dealer that they were from the estate of the recently deceased Nevill Drury....
Curiouser and curiouser,,,
LLL
Jonathan
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au carteblanche13
Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:51 am (PDT)
Perhaps they confused him with the late Mr. Sallkild.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Frater Carfax" <tzuflifu@..com .> wrote:
>
> Hi Adrienne
>
> > Surely if a gentleman such as Mr Drury passed on, there would be
> > many an obituary and literary toast to his contribution, but
> > nothing to be found...
>
> well, that is what I thought, but an associate recently found a large collection of occult books at a dealer and was told by the dealer that they were from the estate of the recently deceased Nevill Drury....
>
> Curiouser and curiouser,,,
>
>
> LLL
>
> Jonathan
>
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "lord_dracule_clan" lord_dracule_clan@yahoo.com lord_dracule_clan
Wed Nov 3, 2010 4:10 pm (PDT)
Greetings List.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@com ...> wrote:
>
>
> He seemed in rudest good health in March so it would be a bit of a surprise.
>
Last I heard he was hale and hearty, if, like the rest of us getting on a bit. 'Twould be a surprise to me if he has passed away.
Drac
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au
Wed Nov 3, 2010 4:32 pm (PDT)
We have a news database at the paper that shows no obituary. I met and interviewed this lovely man maybe 25 years ago, when he was very passionate about shaminism. His Christian wife was in the living room, knitting by the fire while he was banging away on a drum and chanting and evangelising on the drug-like effects of the ritual. I ahve asked our library to see if they cvan see if there is any truith to the rumour.
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Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:10 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
Greetings List.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. <mailto:WitchesWorkcom shop%40yahoogrou ps.com>, "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> He seemed in rudest good health in March so it would be a bit of a surprise.
>
Last I heard he was hale and hearty, if, like the rest of us getting on a bit. 'Twould be a surprise to me if he has passed away.
Drac
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au
Wed Nov 3, 2010 4:44 pm (PDT)
sorry, shamanism
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From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. [WitchesWorkshop@com yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of John Elder [jelder@theage.com com.au ]
Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:26 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
We have a news database at the paper that shows no obituary. I met and interviewed this lovely man maybe 25 years ago, when he was very passionate about shaminism. His Christian wife was in the living room, knitting by the fire while he was banging away on a drum and chanting and evangelising on the drug-like effects of the ritual. I ahve asked our library to see if they cvan see if there is any truith to the rumour.
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From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. [WitchesWorkshop@com yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of lord_dracule_com clan [lord_dracule_ clan@yahoo. ]com
Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:10 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
Greetings List.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. <mailto:WitchesWorkcom shop%40yahoogrou ps.com>, "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> He seemed in rudest good health in March so it would be a bit of a surprise.
>
Last I heard he was hale and hearty, if, like the rest of us getting on a bit. 'Twould be a surprise to me if he has passed away.
Drac
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "M Lycett" megggz@netspace.net.au mmorrigu
Wed Nov 3, 2010 4:55 pm (PDT)
Are you well John ?
Last time I saw slurred typos like that ( admittedly worse than your
offering ) the author had a stroke not long after.
Meggs
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au
Wed Nov 3, 2010 5:02 pm (PDT)
Wow. What a lovely light-filled observation... or are you in fact huddled hunchback-like over a cauldron, in some incantatory spasm of evil? I am very well, thank you. Just very very busy, and yet taking time out to bring some clarity to posted queries re Nevill. No doubt you are spending your day in an equally constructive fashion.
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From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. [WitchesWorkshop@com yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of M Lycett [megggz@netspace.com net.au ]
Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:50 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
Are you well John ?
Last time I saw slurred typos like that ( admittedly worse than your
offering ) the author had a stroke not long after.
Meggs
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "M Lycett" megggz@netspace.net.au mmorrigu
Wed Nov 3, 2010 5:17 pm (PDT)
'scuse the fuck outta me for showing some concern!
I'll go back to organising the recycling n rubbish for tonight, get the
nastiest bit of the day over n done with.
m
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Elder" <jelder@theage.com.au >
To: <WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
> Wow. What a lovely light-filled observation... or are you in fact huddled
> hunchback-like over a cauldron, in some incantatory spasm of evil? I am
> very well, thank you. Just very very busy, and yet taking time out to
> bring some clarity to posted queries re Nevill. No doubt you are spending
> your day in an equally constructive fashion.
>
> _____________________ _________ __
> From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. [WitchesWorkshop@com yahoogroups. ] Oncom
> Behalf Of M Lycett [megggz@netspace.net.au ]
> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:50 AM
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
>
>
>
> Are you well John ?
> Last time I saw slurred typos like that ( admittedly worse than your
> offering ) the author had a stroke not long after.
>
> Meggs
>
>
>
>
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>
> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>
> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>
> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
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> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
> to these principles & to notify owner.
>
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Re: Nevill Drury?
Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au
Wed Nov 3, 2010 5:31 pm (PDT)
good, because there's a powerful smell of mendacity lurking in your bin.
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From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. [WitchesWorkshop@com yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of M Lycett [megggz@netspace.com net.au ]
Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 11:17 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
'scuse the fuck outta me for showing some concern!
I'll go back to organising the recycling n rubbish for tonight, get the
nastiest bit of the day over n done with.
m
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Elder" <jelder@theage.com.au >
To: <WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
> Wow. What a lovely light-filled observation... or are you in fact huddled
> hunchback-like over a cauldron, in some incantatory spasm of evil? I am
> very well, thank you. Just very very busy, and yet taking time out to
> bring some clarity to posted queries re Nevill. No doubt you are spending
> your day in an equally constructive fashion.
>
> _____________________ _________ __
> From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. [WitchesWorkshop@com yahoogroups. ] Oncom
> Behalf Of M Lycett [megggz@netspace.net.au ]
> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:50 AM
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Nevill Drury?
>
>
>
> Are you well John ?
> Last time I saw slurred typos like that ( admittedly worse than your
> offering ) the author had a stroke not long after.
>
> Meggs
>
>
>
>
> The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying
> files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient,
> any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this
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> without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received
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> attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax
> does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or
> attached files.
>
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
> ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
>
> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>
> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>
> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
> http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
> to these principles & to notify owner.
>
> info@witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
http://www.witchesworkshop.com
_____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
to these principles & to notify owner.
info@witchesworkshop.com
_____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Northwest Style Frame Drum Making Class - Saturday November 6, 2010
Posted by: "New Pagan Journeys" friends@newpaganjourneys.com new_pagan_journeys
Wed Nov 3, 2010 10:05 am (PDT)
Description: Drum Making.pngNorthwest Style Frame Drum Making Class
Come join Rev. Jennifer Brown-Nashoba, a Member of the Choctaw Nation of
Oklahoma, who will be teaching this wonderful class on how to make
traditional drums.
When: Saturday, November 6, 2010
Time: 12:00pm
Where:
New Pagan Journeys
11945 SW Pacific Highway, Suite 306
Tigard, Oregon 97223
(503) 488-5486
<mailto:orders@newpaganjourneys.com > orders@newpaganjourneys.com
Pricing: $70 fee inclusive of materials
This incredible pricing is offered exclusively to New Pagan Journeys, as a
service to the Pagan community, that Rev. Jennifer Brown-Nashoba offer the
very same class through community ed classes through Clark County Parks and
Recreation and soon to be released within one or two cycles for the guides
to classes of Evergreen, Skamania, Columbia, Lane, Clackamas and Multnomah
community education organizations are $40 Material fee + $80 tuition.
Rev. Jennifer Brown-Nashoba
-Universal Life Church &
-Church of the Seven Planes
-Pride Foundation Scholar
-Member: Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma
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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same
Posted by: "Wefneck" wefneck@hotmail.com wefneck
Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:28 pm (PDT)
Remember a while ago I was gently prodding people on this forum to take some of their long posts and work them into articles for one or other of the various magazines out there. Well here is another perfect candidate :)
You are obviously passionate about this topic and have a lot to say.
Also people will more likely read your longer form arguments (and hopefully understand them) in a magazine than online (where they will selectively skim and then get cranky based on a misreading).
To misuse an oft used Aussie pick up line. C'mon be a sport! :)
Jo
PS the Tapestry deadline is the 7th of Feb, May, August and November.
PSS Any other editors want to weigh in with their deadlines?
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@com ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Cotty,
>
> >Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same. Few Witches of my acquaintance identify with Pagan.
>
> This is an important distinction, with historical and modern clout. Witches have (historically speaking) usually been a very seperate breed, even in Pagan times and cultures, and within those cultures (let us remember) they were/are usually feared, outcast, and often maligned by the great unWitched, the non-magical types of Pagan ("pagan" being used here to simply denote non-Judeo-Islamo-Christofascist sandal-beard monomania), even if they were/are also consulted (in secret or otherwise).. ..
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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same
Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au carteblanche13
Wed Nov 3, 2010 8:42 pm (PDT)
Thanks for the invitation Jo, I'll consider it. I do enjoy the "live" quality of this forum because of the possibility to engage in instant dialogue, and clarify misunderstandings or misreadings (and to be corrected) - an opportunity which dead print possesses to a much more limited degree, and chews trees doing so.
I don't buy local magazines, and so don't know which ones I could stand writing for and which pay reasonable rates ( which they would have to do if they charge for the product). Any suggestions?
Best regards
C.B.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Wefneck" <wefneck@...com > wrote:
>
> Remember a while ago I was gently prodding people on this forum to take some of their long posts and work them into articles for one or other of the various magazines out there. Well here is another perfect candidate :)
>
> You are obviously passionate about this topic and have a lot to say.
> Also people will more likely read your longer form arguments (and hopefully understand them) in a magazine than online (where they will selectively skim and then get cranky based on a misreading).
>
> To misuse an oft used Aussie pick up line. C'mon be a sport! :)
>
> Jo
>
> PS the Tapestry deadline is the 7th of Feb, May, August and November.
> PSS Any other editors want to weigh in with their deadlines?
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@com > wrote:
> >
> > Dear Cotty,
> >
> > >Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same. Few Witches of my acquaintance identify with Pagan.
> >
> > This is an important distinction, with historical and modern clout. Witches have (historically speaking) usually been a very seperate breed, even in Pagan times and cultures, and within those cultures (let us remember) they were/are usually feared, outcast, and often maligned by the great unWitched, the non-magical types of Pagan ("pagan" being used here to simply denote non-Judeo-Islamo-Christofascist sandal-beard monomania), even if they were/are also consulted (in secret or otherwise).. ..
>
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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same
Posted by: "Wefneck" wefneck@hotmail.com wefneck
Wed Nov 3, 2010 9:02 pm (PDT)
I like the instant dialouge too, but don't make the mistake that print is entirely dead. Print offers a forum where topics can be more deeply researched and explored. Something that the internet largely lacks.
Plus the back-and-forth style we have gotten used to on the internet is starting to give rise to a interesting resurgence in the gentlemanly dueling essays you used to get in specialist publications, so the dialogue is still there.
I don't think any of the magazines that cater to the Pagan/Magic User/Witch community are big or developed enough to be able to pay people directly for their contributions. Most of them are free magazines that are run by various membership organisations as benefits to members. Spellcraft is a newsagent type buy-it-off-the-shelf publication but I don't think they pay either.
I know that PAN is running a draw for contributors to the Small Tapestry. The prize is $200 to spend on PAN run events or membership.
Hey you are already giving it away here for free, you may as well support one of the editorial underdogs of the community whilst you are at it :).
P.S. I'll declare my bias now :) I volunteer for PAN (as if it wasn't kinda obvious), though I support the work of all the various groups out there. I mentioned PAN/Tapestry stuff mostly because I happen to know whats going on in that sphere. I'm sure the PA or PASA or SOL etc all need contributions too.
Cheers
Jo
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@com ...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the invitation Jo, I'll consider it. I do enjoy the "live" quality of this forum because of the possibility to engage in instant dialogue, and clarify misunderstandings or misreadings (and to be corrected) - an opportunity which dead print possesses to a much more limited degree, and chews trees doing so.
>
> I don't buy local magazines, and so don't know which ones I could stand writing for and which pay reasonable rates ( which they would have to do if they charge for the product). Any suggestions?
>
> Best regards
>
> C.B.
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Wefneck" <wefneck@> wrote:com
> >
> > Remember a while ago I was gently prodding people on this forum to take some of their long posts and work them into articles for one or other of the various magazines out there. Well here is another perfect candidate :)
> >
> > You are obviously passionate about this topic and have a lot to say.
> > Also people will more likely read your longer form arguments (and hopefully understand them) in a magazine than online (where they will selectively skim and then get cranky based on a misreading).
> >
> > To misuse an oft used Aussie pick up line. C'mon be a sport! :)
> >
> > Jo
> >
> > PS the Tapestry deadline is the 7th of Feb, May, August and November.
> > PSS Any other editors want to weigh in with their deadlines?
> >
> > --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Cotty,
> > >
> > > >Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same. Few Witches of my acquaintance identify with Pagan.
> > >
> > > This is an important distinction, with historical and modern clout. Witches have (historically speaking) usually been a very seperate breed, even in Pagan times and cultures, and within those cultures (let us remember) they were/are usually feared, outcast, and often maligned by the great unWitched, the non-magical types of Pagan ("pagan" being used here to simply denote non-Judeo-Islamo-Christofascist sandal-beard monomania), even if they were/are also consulted (in secret or otherwise).. ..
> >
>
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Police Guidelines on how to behave when being sacrificed to a Pagan
Posted by: "garyq@email.com" garyq@email.com gq_aus
Wed Nov 3, 2010 9:17 pm (PDT)
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ news/society/ police-issued- guidelines- on-how-to- behave-while- trapped-in- a-wicker- man-201011023214 /
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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same
Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au carteblanche13
Wed Nov 3, 2010 11:38 pm (PDT)
Dear Jo,
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Wefneck" <wefneck@...com > wrote:
>
>. Print offers a forum where topics can be more deeply researched and explored. Something that the internet largely lacks.
I see no obstacle to the possibility of deep research contributing to an internet-posted article. Conversely, a significant proportion of the printed matter - some of it hard-bound and with (self-proclaimed) Famous People introducing/editing it - proves that print is not exempt from this observation, either.
Part of your internet research today has been to ask on this internet forum for contributors to a printed magazine! So either way, baby, it came from the internet ;-)
There are more people on the internet than there are reading magazines, and one can update one's views online, so if your mission is simply to communicate, you won't choose a print magazine unless it has a particularly satisfying clientele (in numbers or in niche), or if it is beautifully produced, or pays, or preferably all three. Or if you want to support it as a charity, which (in my case at least) would mean more familiarity, and then a discernible reason or two. So I'll look into it.
> Plus the back-and-forth style we have gotten used to on the internet is starting to give rise to a interesting resurgence in the gentlemanly dueling essays you used to get in specialist publications, so the dialogue is still there.
True. However, a conversation which could be completed in half an hour and instantly legible to all six billion members of our species online, takes months and is only read by five people, often after having been edited out of recognition, and printed on the pulped carcasses of our leaf-bearing brethren, the Trees.
I'm only troubleshooting (as usual! some people just call it "being annoying", - I'm okay with it).
How many years would this discussion take if it took place on the letters page of a print magazine as opposed to online? You'd still be waiting for my previous reply!
> I don't think any of the magazines that cater to the Pagan/Magic User/Witch community are big or developed enough to be able to pay people directly for their contributions. Most of them are free magazines that are run by various membership organisations as benefits to members. Spellcraft is a newsagent type buy-it-off-the-shelf publication but I don't think they pay either.
So there is neither prestige nor lucre to be got, in other words?
What is, then? How "magical" can they be if they can't even pay their writers?
"What's in it for me?" (a rhetorical question, which also happens to be literal in the context of this discussion) is something to consider. Writers have a hard enough time as it is, and should not be expected to donate more than they do already by having chosen a financially risky career. I am sure a reasonable amount of effort and focus (advertising? chook/tofu raffles? if you're a non-profit charity you can legally fundraise, something private individuals, such as writers, can't do) could raise another mere grand per issue to spend on feature article/s which would then be worth the effort of the writer/researcher bothering with writing in the first place. It would then be better, too. With betterness comes people actually wanting to buy/pay for the thing instead of being mildly disinterested, or disappointed. Before you know it, you have a real Scene (as opposed to fitful attempts in that direction).
If there was an Antipodean pagan/occult magazine which was 1. totally independent; 2. sizzling and world-class (in terms of scope, esoteric literacy and "thrust" or spirit of the mission, i.e. comprehensive; 3. came out dependably on a bi-monthly, quarterly or other basis, and 4. cost $25-$30, I'd buy every issue. I can't say how many other people would buy it, but these things have international interest too. A limited print run of a few hundred, or a thousand, would do.
It would be in English, which nearly two billion people can read!
People like quality, and they pay for it. The pagan/magic "community" still has a real "poverty mentality" in many respects. We see weekends of chanting and poncing around a tree stump whilst being shouted at by hippies regularly being sold for $700, but none of the established magazines can pay a couple of hundred bucks for real articles which are not just "vanity publishing" for those without another outlet? Surely that's what internet forums are for?
I do apologise for the laconic tone above and I am simply troubleshooting and honestly concerned about the health of the situation in terms of what it means for the FUTURE of this young New World antipodean culture - of course I deeply and sincerely appreciative of all contributions by our pagan and magical brothers and sisters wheresoever they may be. The voluntary nature of their Sacrifices for the benefit of the community (of course, the only conceivable motivation) and the future of the magical Current in this part of Earth is its own blessing - - and there is always one person who wears the burden at no or very little benefit simply for the satisfaction of the act. I'd like to express my appreciation for these people, and to a certain small extent am one of them as well.
But I'm sure we'd like to see these humble roots produce at least a stem or two!
> I know that PAN is running a draw for contributors to the Small Tapestry. The prize is $200 to spend on PAN run events or membership.
What's the print run/readership?
Where is it distributed (i.e. is there a list of outlets online or somewhere for the information of potential contributors)?
> Hey you are already giving it away here for free, you may as well support one of the editorial underdogs of the community whilst you are at it :).
Underdog?!
Who are the editorial "top dogs"? I thought we were all in this together ! Dogs are dogs - I say: let us instead be as Gods unto ourselves, as to one another. Nothing less will do.
I have no objection to PAN as an organisation, and might investigate their magazine if I can find somewhere to obtain a copy, so as to see how good the fit could be.
> P.S. I'll declare my bias now :) I volunteer for PAN (as if it wasn't kinda obvious), though I support the work of all the various groups out there. I mentioned PAN/Tapestry stuff mostly because I happen to know whats going on in that sphere. I'm sure the PA or PASA or SOL etc all need contributions too.
I am not very good at divining the significance of the peculiar acronyms which you young people seem to like using these days. What are these things you mention?
Surely if these things "all need contributions" it demonstrates that they have less to give than they have to take from the community?
Being published in print brands an author with the aegis of the title and editor and suggests an affiliation, however weak. Being self-published in an online forum involves (or should involve) no middle-man, no brand, no editing or censorship, and no affiliation - it is an essentially individualistic act, and as such, highly magical, and therefore highly attractive.
Best regards
C.B.
> Cheers
> Jo
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@com > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the invitation Jo, I'll consider it. I do enjoy the "live" quality of this forum because of the possibility to engage in instant dialogue, and clarify misunderstandings or misreadings (and to be corrected) - an opportunity which dead print possesses to a much more limited degree, and chews trees doing so.
> >
> > I don't buy local magazines, and so don't know which ones I could stand writing for and which pay reasonable rates ( which they would have to do if they charge for the product). Any suggestions?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > C.B.
> >
> > --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Wefneck" <wefneck@> wrote:com
> > >
> > > Remember a while ago I was gently prodding people on this forum to take some of their long posts and work them into articles for one or other of the various magazines out there. Well here is another perfect candidate :)
> > >
> > > You are obviously passionate about this topic and have a lot to say.
> > > Also people will more likely read your longer form arguments (and hopefully understand them) in a magazine than online (where they will selectively skim and then get cranky based on a misreading).
> > >
> > > To misuse an oft used Aussie pick up line. C'mon be a sport! :)
> > >
> > > Jo
> > >
> > > PS the Tapestry deadline is the 7th of Feb, May, August and November.
> > > PSS Any other editors want to weigh in with their deadlines?
> > >
> > > --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Cotty,
> > > >
> > > > >Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same. Few Witches of my acquaintance identify with Pagan.
> > > >
> > > > This is an important distinction, with historical and modern clout. Witches have (historically speaking) usually been a very seperate breed, even in Pagan times and cultures, and within those cultures (let us remember) they were/are usually feared, outcast, and often maligned by the great unWitched, the non-magical types of Pagan ("pagan" being used here to simply denote non-Judeo-Islamo-Christofascist sandal-beard monomania), even if they were/are also consulted (in secret or otherwise).. ..
> > >
> >
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