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WytchyWays.com - Covenstead Residential - NSW

Posted by: "Suzanne Naseby" suzanne@wytchyways.com   suzanne_wytchyways

Thu Nov 4, 2010 2:16 am (PDT)



The Covenstead Residential is on next weekend ... we still have room
in the circle for you !

For three days the wymen of the Covenstead will gather to practice the
wytch's craft - the Olde Ways. We invite you to join us on the 12th -
14th Oct for the Covenstead Residential. The Covenstead is a place
where you will feel at home with your spiritual beliefs ... you will
feel accepted by like-minded women on a similar spiritual path. The
Covenstead Residential is suitable for all levels of experience.

This will be a weekend of exploring ways to awaken our wytch wisdom
and to gain clarity and transformation. We will explore techniques and
practices such as trance, ritual, herb-craft and spell-craft. We will
co-create with our collective knowledge and experience. Our intention
will be to study and practice the Olde Ways that unite the seen with
the unseen.

For three days The Covenstead will be the nexus where our individual
paths will meet, where we will leave behind the ordinary world and
cast away our 'normal' identity. To attain true wytch-sight we need to
slow down and surrender ourselves completely to the moment, to the
place, to the timeless Mystery that is within and without. Together we
will reach out to the powers of the unseen world, we will travel the
hidden road, we will meet at the Crossroads, we will commune with the
Spirits of the land, the elementals, and we will stand before the God
and the Goddess.

It is time to put the books down ... it is time to start experiencing
the magic!

DATE
Friday 12th - Sunday 14th November

WHERE
Rainbows Reach Retreat | Wyee | NSW approx 1.5 hours north of Sydney
on the NSW Central Coast Australia
see the website for more venue info http://www.rainbowsreachretreat.com.au/pg2.htm
Pick up from Sydney airport can be arranged and group travel to the
retreat centre will be considered if enough women are interested. This
will be an extra cost to be confirmed with bookings.

COST
$250 after 31/10/2010
includes: accommodation (linen not provided) in beautiful bush retreat
setting, all delicious vegetarian meals and all workshop materials

BOOKINGS & ENQUIRIES
Suzanne - p: 0408 200 727 e: suzanne@wytchyways.com

This residential is for women only

For more info plus to register and pay with your credit card go to:
http://www.wytchyways.com/CovensteadResidential.html

suzanne x
wytchyways.com

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Re: Nevill Drury?

Posted by: "Frater Carfax" tzuflifu@yahoo.com   frater_carfax

Thu Nov 4, 2010 4:05 am (PDT)




Thanks for looking into this John.

If it had gone completely under the radar I am possibly not as surprised as one might think...

I seem to remember Kerry Kulkens passing didn't make the esoteric internet lists until a month or two after the event. While some might have derided her as the "New Idea" witch she was one of the "old guard" covered in Nevill (& Greg's) 'Other Temples Other Gods'.

LLL

Jonathan

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Re: Nevill Drury?

Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au

Thu Nov 4, 2010 4:34 pm (PDT)



No worries, appreciate the nod. Am awaiting a response, and fingers crossed it's just a rumour. I remember him asking about my own areas of interest which the development of modern cosmologicval philosophy out of the early myths and pointed me to Joseph Campbell who, 25 years ago, was in the process of recording that hallmark series of interviews for PBS that kind of made him a superstar.

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Thanks for looking into this John.

If it had gone completely under the radar I am possibly not as surprised as one might think...

I seem to remember Kerry Kulkens passing didn't make the esoteric internet lists until a month or two after the event. While some might have derided her as the "New Idea" witch she was one of the "old guard" covered in Nevill (& Greg's) 'Other Temples Other Gods'.

LLL

Jonathan

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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same

Posted by: "Wefneck" wefneck@hotmail.com   wefneck

Thu Nov 4, 2010 4:49 am (PDT)



>I see no obstacle to the possibility of deep research contributing to an internet-posted article.

Neither do I, I was merely making a generalisation to try to get a point across (print has its strengths)

>Conversely, a significant proportion of the printed matter - some of it hard-bound and with (self-proclaimed) Famous People introducing/editing it - proves that print is not exempt from this observation, either.

Yes and the internet is also full of fat heads who write rubbish too. Writing is writing where ever it is.

> Part of your internet research today has been to ask on this internet forum for contributors to a printed magazine! So either way, baby, it came from the internet ;-)

I'm not dissing the net. Heck I work as a web designer/developer. I think I'm starting to see a misunderstanding here. My point was ''Hey print can be cool. Editors want articles, you have something to say, lets work something out!" not "The net sucks you should embrace print on the whim of a pushy stranger" :)

> There are more people on the internet than there are reading magazines, and one can update one's views online, so if your mission is simply to communicate, you won't choose a print magazine unless it has a particularly satisfying clientele (in numbers or in niche), or if it is beautifully produced, or pays, or preferably all three. Or if you want to support it as a charity, which (in my case at least) would mean more familiarity, and then a discernible reason or two. So I'll look into it.

Ill agree with you there. Yes print these days needs to offer something "extra" to get its foot in the door.

> True. However, a conversation which could be completed in half an hour and instantly legible to all six billion members of our species online, takes months and is only read by five people, often after having been edited out of recognition, and printed on the pulped carcasses of our leaf-bearing brethren, the Trees.

Yes I know, the internet rocks. Can't argue with that.

> I'm only troubleshooting (as usual! some people just call it "being annoying", - I'm okay with it).

Actually I would call it deliberately misunderstanding people because it makes for a more entertaining (but fractious) conversation. I've been known to indulge myself.

> How many years would this discussion take if it took place on the letters page of a print magazine as opposed to online? You'd still be waiting for my previous reply!

A while I guess. I sort of like the old fashioned approach to some things.

> So there is neither prestige nor lucre to be got, in other words?

Not really more a warm fuzzy feeling you get when an editor looks up from reading your work and simply says "thanks"

> What is, then? How "magical" can they be if they can't even pay their writers?

I reckon a simple thanks is pretty darn magical.

> "What's in it for me?" (a rhetorical question, which also happens to be literal in the context of this discussion) is something to consider. Writers have a hard enough time as it is, and should not be expected to donate more than they do already by having chosen a financially risky career. I am sure a reasonable amount of effort and focus (advertising? chook/tofu raffles? if you're a non-profit charity you can legally fundraise, something private individuals, such as writers, can't do) could raise another mere grand per issue to spend on feature article/s which would then be worth the effort of the writer/researcher bothering with writing in the first place. It would then be better, too. With betterness comes people actually wanting to buy/pay for the thing instead of being mildly disinterested, or disappointed. Before you know it, you have a real Scene (as opposed to fitful attempts in that direction).

I don't disagree with you. However we have a committee of about 15 people who each already put hours of work almost every night and on weekends in between their jobs, families and lives to get the massive amount of work we already do done. It has taken us 13 years eeking along to get as far as we have because people want to see an established shiny productive "proper" organisation before they will throw their support in behind it. Now that is the prerogative of people to think that way and I don't really expect anything else but you gotta understand why I might be slightly miffed at being told to just go and do some more work.

> If there was an Antipodean pagan/occult magazine which was 1. totally independent; 2. sizzling and world-class (in terms of scope, esoteric literacy and "thrust" or spirit of the mission, i.e. comprehensive; 3. came out dependably on a bi-monthly, quarterly or other basis, and 4. cost $25-$30, I'd buy every issue. I can't say how many other people would buy it, but these things have international interest too. A limited print run of a few hundred, or a thousand, would do.

Sure so would I but small things cannot grow into big things without either lots of support from like-minded individuals. or a super rich benefactor. I think your expectations are a little high. We have a Pagan community of roughly 30,000 loosely spiritually related people. And I reckon only about 200 of them are actually volunteering in that community. If you could tell me how to build a sizzling world-class enterprise with those odds I would do it immediately and save myself a lot of time and frustration.

> It would be in English, which nearly two billion people can read!

Yay for English!

> People like quality, and they pay for it. The pagan/magic "community" still has a real "poverty mentality" in many respects. We see weekends of chanting and poncing around a tree stump whilst being shouted at by hippies regularly being sold for $700,

You are mistaking New Age for Pagan. If you charge more than $100 for anything you get accused of profiteering, but thats a whole other topic.

> I do apologise for the laconic tone above and I am simply troubleshooting and honestly concerned about the health of the situation in terms of what it means for the FUTURE of this young New World antipodean culture - of course I deeply and sincerely appreciative of all contributions by our pagan and magical brothers and sisters wheresoever they may be. The voluntary nature of their Sacrifices for the benefit of the community (of course, the only conceivable motivation) and the future of the magical Current in this part of Earth is its own blessing - - and there is always one person who wears the burden at no or very little benefit simply for the satisfaction of the act. I'd like to express my appreciation for these people, and to a certain small extent am one of them as well.

Appreciation is nice but a helping hand is even better. :)

> But I'm sure we'd like to see these humble roots produce at least a stem or two!

We are trying our best.

> I know that PAN is running a draw for contributors to the Small Tapestry. The prize is $200 to spend on PAN run events or membership.
>
> What's the print run/readership?

About 300

> Where is it distributed (i.e. is there a list of outlets online or somewhere for the information of potential contributors)?

Its mailed direct to our members and information on the tapestry can be found here: http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN//content/view/140/130/


> > Hey you are already giving it away here for free, you may as well support one of the editorial underdogs of the community whilst you are at it :).
>
> Underdog?!
>
> Who are the editorial "top dogs"? I thought we were all in this together ! Dogs are dogs - I say: let us instead be as Gods unto ourselves, as to one another. Nothing less will do.

It was a turn of phrase I used to elicit sympathy, but I guess it didn't work.

> I am not very good at divining the significance of the peculiar acronyms which you young people seem to like using these days. What are these things you mention?

Pagan Alliance Tasmania, Pagan Alliance South Australia, Spheres of Light

> Surely if these things "all need contributions" it demonstrates that they have less to give than they have to take from the community?

I think this is slightly unfair as they all produce magazines for free by volunteers. This is done for the betterment of the community not because they have some weird desire to hoard the time of honest writers.

> Being published in print brands an author with the aegis of the title and editor and suggests an affiliation, however weak. Being self-published in an online forum involves (or should involve) no middle-man, no brand, no editing or censorship, and no affiliation - it is an essentially individualistic act, and as such, highly magical, and therefore highly attractive.
>
> Best regards
> C.B.

You know a simple "sorry I'm not interested" would have been ok too. I wouldn't have cried or anything. I would have said "sure thats cool, let us know if you change your mind".

*sigh*

Jo

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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Thu Nov 4, 2010 7:08 am (PDT)



Dear Jo,

Thanks very much for providing answers:

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Wefneck" <wefneck@...> wrote:
>
> Writing is writing where ever it is.

Agreed.

> Yes print these days needs to offer something "extra" to get its foot in the door.

Yes, print has a special place, and the explosion in the last two decades of the market for lavishly (and savvily-) produced editions shows clearly what this place looks like, I think.

> > I'm only troubleshooting (as usual! some people just call it "being annoying", - I'm okay with it).
>
>
> Actually I would call it deliberately misunderstanding people because it makes for a more entertaining (but fractious) conversation. I've been known to indulge myself.

I sometimes misunderstand, never deliberately. My only purpose is to cover all the angles which I can't see from where I am, in terms which my sluggish, selfish human monkey brain actually understands; and yes, sometimes for the purpose of (perhaps excruciatingly) articulating, in plain public view, all the potential issues which suggest themselves - especially ones which repel me, at least initially, so they can be aired and evaluated. My ultimate intention is definitely constructive, even if a little "Solve" (of the Alchemical kind) might be the first impression. Thanks for your patience.

> > What is, then? How "magical" can they be if they can't even pay their writers?
>
> I reckon a simple thanks is pretty darn magical.

It is, sure. However, remuneration is a manifestation and proof of that thanks in terms which can be of actual benefit to the recipient, and hence, is more meaningful!

As you yourself say:

> Appreciation is nice but a helping hand is even better. :)

> > "What's in it for me?" (a rhetorical question, which also happens to be literal in the context of this discussion) is something to consider. Writers have a hard enough time as it is, and should not be expected to donate more than they do already by having chosen a financially risky career. I am sure a reasonable amount of effort and focus (advertising? chook/tofu raffles? if you're a non-profit charity you can legally fundraise, something private individuals, such as writers, can't do) could raise another mere grand per issue to spend on feature article/s which would then be worth the effort of the writer/researcher bothering with writing in the first place. It would then be better, too. With betterness comes people actually wanting to buy/pay for the thing instead of being mildly disinterested, or disappointed. Before you know it, you have a real Scene (as opposed to fitful attempts in that direction).
>
>
> I don't disagree with you. However we have a committee of about 15 people who each already put hours of work almost every night and on weekends in between their jobs, families and lives to get the massive amount of work we already do done. It has taken us 13 years eeking along to get as far as we have because people want to see an established shiny productive "proper" organisation before they will throw their support in behind it. Now that is the prerogative of people to think that way and I don't really expect anything else but you gotta understand why I might be slightly miffed at being told to just go and do some more work.

LOL! (cracks whip) Hey all great Pagan civilisations had slaves, right?

I know what end of the stick I prefer!

> > If there was an Antipodean pagan/occult magazine which was 1. totally independent; 2. sizzling and world-class (in terms of scope, esoteric literacy and "thrust" or spirit of the mission, i.e. comprehensive; 3. came out dependably on a bi-monthly, quarterly or other basis, and 4. cost $25-$30, I'd buy every issue. I can't say how many other people would buy it, but these things have international interest too. A limited print run of a few hundred, or a thousand, would do.
>
>
> Sure so would I but small things cannot grow into big things without either lots of support from like-minded individuals. or a super rich benefactor. I think your expectations are a little high. We have a Pagan community of roughly 30,000 loosely spiritually related people. And I reckon only about 200 of them are actually volunteering in that community. If you could tell me how to build a sizzling world-class enterprise with those odds I would do it immediately and save myself a lot of time and frustration.

Any exclusively volunteer-based operation becomes just another charity case (i.e. energy-pit) eventually, and this is what I would like to steer clear of.

For example:

> > I know that PAN is running a draw for contributors to the Small Tapestry. The prize is $200 to spend on PAN run events or membership.

So you "win" a "prize", which is increased involvement with the organisation which you'd have to otherwise pay for? That's not a real prize in terms which mean anything beyond the bubble of PAN and its events. I understand why this is so, but (for the sake of perhaps saying something which those involved may not like, but perhaps should, hear, or at least think about) I do not find it to be a particularly attractive arrangement - and I do not speak for myself, but for other potential contributors as well. There is no incentive to any individual, merely more self-promotion on the behalf of the organisation. Basically you're saying "write for us for free, and then we'll pay you with a prize which you then automatically donate back to us, as it's for our events and things only".

The equation looks like this to an outsider:

Magazine for which there seems to be little demand desperate for material --> can't pay ---> introduces gambling mechanism as potential lure ---> the prize (only a small chance of winning) is something you probably weren't particularly interested in in the first place, which involves escalating your involvement in the organisation, and which only serves to promote the organisation to which you have already donated your energy and time, in lieu of actual payment which you would be at liberty to allocate independently.

I can see why someone on the inside might like to believe it is a win-win situation, but it ain't how it looks from here.

The only reason I say these things is because sometimes we get so caught up in "believing" in why we do something we love, we miss the angles which others (outsiders) will see, which do not require belief, but which are in fact part of its reality. Those angles are often the uncomfortable ones, but usually those where attention needs to fall in order for the Next Step to happen. Thinking long-term, of course.

> > What's the print run/readership?
>
>
> About 300
>
>
> > Where is it distributed (i.e. is there a list of outlets online or somewhere for the information of potential contributors)?
>
>
> Its mailed direct to our members and information on the tapestry can be found here: http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN//content/view/140/130/

Can I find a sample copy (pdf is fine) of more than just the cover?

Or do I need to become a member of something I previously had no interest in joining, in order to see something I'm about to donate to?

I'll add this layer of seeming exploitation to the equation above.

> > Surely if these things "all need contributions" it demonstrates that they have less to give than they have to take from the community?
>
>
> I think this is slightly unfair as they all produce magazines for free by volunteers. This is done for the betterment of the community not because they have some weird desire to hoard the time of honest writers.

Sorry if this seemed like an unfair thing to say, but I have reason for saying it. I am not involved and so don't know what is involved of course. But the direction of (ACTUAL) energy flow is important and VERY OFTEN ---particularly in spiritual or religious matters--- we find that organisations can end up being parasitic even with the best of intentions.

A magazine which is more desperate for writers to give it free content, than the community is for having such a magazine in the first place, has inverted its raison d'etre. You are asking the community to serve the magazine (for free), the magazine is not serving the community.

> You know a simple "sorry I'm not interested" would have been ok too. I wouldn't have cried or anything. I would have said "sure thats cool, let us know if you change your mind".

If I meant to say "sorry I'm not interested", I would have, Jo, but I am interested, at least in looking into it and becoming more familiar with the publication to see whether I want to write for it or not (and whether it wants me). I am grateful for the suggestion, which I'll add to the list of similar requests I have received from other small struggling pagan publications with nothing to offer beyond furthering its own interests at the expense of its contributors (beyond their satisfaction in having supported the cause). As I have said, I'll look into it (as long as it does not require me to become a member of anything in order to do so). In any case I wish PAN and the indivuals who comprise its membership nothing but the very best of best wishes and immense prosperity and inexhaustible energy in their generous Service to mankind and to their Gods.

Best regards
C.B.

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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Thu Nov 4, 2010 7:21 am (PDT)



Jesus I sound like a complete prick sometimes! lol

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Jo,
>
> Thanks very much for providing answers:
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Wefneck" <wefneck@> wrote:
> >
> > Writing is writing where ever it is.
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> > Yes print these days needs to offer something "extra" to get its foot in the door.
>
> Yes, print has a special place, and the explosion in the last two decades of the market for lavishly (and savvily-) produced editions shows clearly what this place looks like, I think.
>
>
> > > I'm only troubleshooting (as usual! some people just call it "being annoying", - I'm okay with it).
> >
> >
> > Actually I would call it deliberately misunderstanding people because it makes for a more entertaining (but fractious) conversation. I've been known to indulge myself.
>
> I sometimes misunderstand, never deliberately. My only purpose is to cover all the angles which I can't see from where I am, in terms which my sluggish, selfish human monkey brain actually understands; and yes, sometimes for the purpose of (perhaps excruciatingly) articulating, in plain public view, all the potential issues which suggest themselves - especially ones which repel me, at least initially, so they can be aired and evaluated. My ultimate intention is definitely constructive, even if a little "Solve" (of the Alchemical kind) might be the first impression. Thanks for your patience.
>
>
> > > What is, then? How "magical" can they be if they can't even pay their writers?
> >
> > I reckon a simple thanks is pretty darn magical.
>
> It is, sure. However, remuneration is a manifestation and proof of that thanks in terms which can be of actual benefit to the recipient, and hence, is more meaningful!
>
> As you yourself say:
>
> > Appreciation is nice but a helping hand is even better. :)
>
>
>
> > > "What's in it for me?" (a rhetorical question, which also happens to be literal in the context of this discussion) is something to consider. Writers have a hard enough time as it is, and should not be expected to donate more than they do already by having chosen a financially risky career. I am sure a reasonable amount of effort and focus (advertising? chook/tofu raffles? if you're a non-profit charity you can legally fundraise, something private individuals, such as writers, can't do) could raise another mere grand per issue to spend on feature article/s which would then be worth the effort of the writer/researcher bothering with writing in the first place. It would then be better, too. With betterness comes people actually wanting to buy/pay for the thing instead of being mildly disinterested, or disappointed. Before you know it, you have a real Scene (as opposed to fitful attempts in that direction).
> >
> >
> > I don't disagree with you. However we have a committee of about 15 people who each already put hours of work almost every night and on weekends in between their jobs, families and lives to get the massive amount of work we already do done. It has taken us 13 years eeking along to get as far as we have because people want to see an established shiny productive "proper" organisation before they will throw their support in behind it. Now that is the prerogative of people to think that way and I don't really expect anything else but you gotta understand why I might be slightly miffed at being told to just go and do some more work.
>
> LOL! (cracks whip) Hey all great Pagan civilisations had slaves, right?
>
> I know what end of the stick I prefer!
>
>
>
> > > If there was an Antipodean pagan/occult magazine which was 1. totally independent; 2. sizzling and world-class (in terms of scope, esoteric literacy and "thrust" or spirit of the mission, i.e. comprehensive; 3. came out dependably on a bi-monthly, quarterly or other basis, and 4. cost $25-$30, I'd buy every issue. I can't say how many other people would buy it, but these things have international interest too. A limited print run of a few hundred, or a thousand, would do.
> >
> >
> > Sure so would I but small things cannot grow into big things without either lots of support from like-minded individuals. or a super rich benefactor. I think your expectations are a little high. We have a Pagan community of roughly 30,000 loosely spiritually related people. And I reckon only about 200 of them are actually volunteering in that community. If you could tell me how to build a sizzling world-class enterprise with those odds I would do it immediately and save myself a lot of time and frustration.
>
> Any exclusively volunteer-based operation becomes just another charity case (i.e. energy-pit) eventually, and this is what I would like to steer clear of.
>
> For example:
>
> > > I know that PAN is running a draw for contributors to the Small Tapestry. The prize is $200 to spend on PAN run events or membership.
>
> So you "win" a "prize", which is increased involvement with the organisation which you'd have to otherwise pay for? That's not a real prize in terms which mean anything beyond the bubble of PAN and its events. I understand why this is so, but (for the sake of perhaps saying something which those involved may not like, but perhaps should, hear, or at least think about) I do not find it to be a particularly attractive arrangement - and I do not speak for myself, but for other potential contributors as well. There is no incentive to any individual, merely more self-promotion on the behalf of the organisation. Basically you're saying "write for us for free, and then we'll pay you with a prize which you then automatically donate back to us, as it's for our events and things only".
>
> The equation looks like this to an outsider:
>
> Magazine for which there seems to be little demand desperate for material --> can't pay ---> introduces gambling mechanism as potential lure ---> the prize (only a small chance of winning) is something you probably weren't particularly interested in in the first place, which involves escalating your involvement in the organisation, and which only serves to promote the organisation to which you have already donated your energy and time, in lieu of actual payment which you would be at liberty to allocate independently.
>
> I can see why someone on the inside might like to believe it is a win-win situation, but it ain't how it looks from here.
>
> The only reason I say these things is because sometimes we get so caught up in "believing" in why we do something we love, we miss the angles which others (outsiders) will see, which do not require belief, but which are in fact part of its reality. Those angles are often the uncomfortable ones, but usually those where attention needs to fall in order for the Next Step to happen. Thinking long-term, of course.
>
>
> > > What's the print run/readership?
> >
> >
> > About 300
> >
> >
> > > Where is it distributed (i.e. is there a list of outlets online or somewhere for the information of potential contributors)?
> >
> >
> > Its mailed direct to our members and information on the tapestry can be found here: http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN//content/view/140/130/
>
> Can I find a sample copy (pdf is fine) of more than just the cover?
>
> Or do I need to become a member of something I previously had no interest in joining, in order to see something I'm about to donate to?
>
> I'll add this layer of seeming exploitation to the equation above.
>
>
> > > Surely if these things "all need contributions" it demonstrates that they have less to give than they have to take from the community?
> >
> >
> > I think this is slightly unfair as they all produce magazines for free by volunteers. This is done for the betterment of the community not because they have some weird desire to hoard the time of honest writers.
>
> Sorry if this seemed like an unfair thing to say, but I have reason for saying it. I am not involved and so don't know what is involved of course. But the direction of (ACTUAL) energy flow is important and VERY OFTEN ---particularly in spiritual or religious matters--- we find that organisations can end up being parasitic even with the best of intentions.
>
> A magazine which is more desperate for writers to give it free content, than the community is for having such a magazine in the first place, has inverted its raison d'etre. You are asking the community to serve the magazine (for free), the magazine is not serving the community.
>
>
>
> > You know a simple "sorry I'm not interested" would have been ok too. I wouldn't have cried or anything. I would have said "sure thats cool, let us know if you change your mind".
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> If I meant to say "sorry I'm not interested", I would have, Jo, but I am interested, at least in looking into it and becoming more familiar with the publication to see whether I want to write for it or not (and whether it wants me). I am grateful for the suggestion, which I'll add to the list of similar requests I have received from other small struggling pagan publications with nothing to offer beyond furthering its own interests at the expense of its contributors (beyond their satisfaction in having supported the cause). As I have said, I'll look into it (as long as it does not require me to become a member of anything in order to do so). In any case I wish PAN and the indivuals who comprise its membership nothing but the very best of best wishes and immense prosperity and inexhaustible energy in their generous Service to mankind and to their Gods.
>
> Best regards
> C.B.
>

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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same

Posted by: "Mark S Hepworth" mits@parraletic.net   mitswitchlist

Thu Nov 4, 2010 12:59 pm (PDT)



Hi C.B.

>
> Its mailed direct to our members and information on the tapestry can be
found here: http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN//content/view/140/130/
<http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN/content/view/140/130/>

Can I find a sample copy (pdf is fine) of more than just the cover?
Or do I need to become a member of something I previously had no interest in
joining, in order to see something I'm about to donate to?

I'll add this layer of seeming exploitation to the equation above.

There are Page Buttons on the top of the cover in that link.

As someone who provides tech support, I thought I would just point that out.
If you can see the little arrows on the of the top right hand corner of the
Document viewer, clicking those will show you the other pages.

I hope that helps you in your decision making process.

Warm Regards,

Mark Hepworth

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Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Thu Nov 4, 2010 7:43 pm (PDT)



Many thanks, Mark. I was sliding the slider thinking it took me to new pages but it just zoomed instead. Sigh. I am usually proud of my decrepitude but it's getting the better of me I fear!

cheers
C.B.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Mark S Hepworth" <mits@...> wrote:
>
> Hi C.B.
>
> >
> > Its mailed direct to our members and information on the tapestry can be
> found here: http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN//content/view/140/130/
> <http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN/content/view/140/130/>
>
> Can I find a sample copy (pdf is fine) of more than just the cover?
> Or do I need to become a member of something I previously had no interest in
> joining, in order to see something I'm about to donate to?
>
> I'll add this layer of seeming exploitation to the equation above.
>
>
>
> There are Page Buttons on the top of the cover in that link.
>
> As someone who provides tech support, I thought I would just point that out.
> If you can see the little arrows on the of the top right hand corner of the
> Document viewer, clicking those will show you the other pages.
>
> I hope that helps you in your decision making process.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Mark Hepworth
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Pagan magazines

Posted by: "jenwytch" jenwytch@yahoo.com.au   jenwytch

Thu Nov 4, 2010 4:01 pm (PDT)



Hi everyone,

This post was inspired by the thread called "Re: Witch and Pagan are NOT one and the same" but I couldn't figure out the right place to jump in there, so here's a fresh start. :-)

In case anybody is interested in writing an article for a pagan e-magazine, the submission deadline for AXIS MUNDI (Spheres Of Light's free online magazine) is 14th November.

You can view the current issue (and all past issues - just scroll down the main page to the archives section) at http://axismundi.spheresoflight.com.au and then decide if you want your work published in this reliable, monthly pagan magazine.

Do you get paid? ...sorry, but no. The Axis Mundi is written and produced by volunteers, "for the love of it".

What's in it for you? ...warm fuzzy feelings and our gratitude, and possibly the appreciation of our readers. :-)

What is the distribution? ...email subscription list of 456 and 141 on the Axis Mundi Facebook page who are notified each time a new issue is ready, plus many, many more people who find it via search engines.

It would be great to have more people contributing to our e-magazine so please check it out and maybe send in an article, or some artsy photography, or poetry, book reviews ...whatever you think would suit. We also have a "Submission and Publication Guide" for prospective contributors to check through before sending in their work.

And has Jo has pointed out in the aforementioned thread, the deadline for PAN's magazine, "The Small Tapestry", is 7th November, so please consider writing for that too... http://www.paganawareness.net.au/PAN//content/view/140/130/ ...I volunteer for SOL and PAN so I'd better promote both. :-D

Cheers,
Jenny

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recent article advice on witches and pagans for police

Posted by: "Deb" universalpeace2005@yahoo.com.au   darklymystifying

Fri Nov 5, 2010 1:21 am (PDT)



 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8098613/Police-given-advice-on-witches-and-pagans.html

I would be interested in seeing the book.
This story was a little ludicrous in a sad sort of way;
lacking in accuracy. Wonder if here in Australia they would follow the Southern
Wheel, or think if it's Samhain in Northern Hemisphere, it must be Samhain in
Southern, let alone other silly thoughts.

Blessed Be

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