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Psychic Development Circle - Wollongong, 11/10/2010, 7:00 pm

Posted by: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com" WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com

Fri Nov 5, 2010 1:57 am (PDT)



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Re: recent article advice on witches and pagans for police

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Fri Nov 5, 2010 8:03 am (PDT)





--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Deb <universalpeace2005@...> wrote:
>
>   Wonder if here in Australia they would follow the Southern
> Wheel, or think if it's Samhain in Northern Hemisphere, it must be Samhain in Southern, let alone other silly thoughts.

It all gets one thinking, doesn't it. But days have no names, it is we who bestow them upon them.

I mean, why bother with Celtic names anyway? It's not like we grew up using them (well, not in a continuous sort of way). It seems a touch affected to me.

I (speaking solely in terms of personal preference) would rather dignify the traditional Celtic titles by leaving them for exclusive use upon the soil which gave them birth.

Fair enough if we all lived in the British Isles, but we don't. Using an inverted timing is fine because, more or less, it reflects an actual discernible fact (or a symmetrical generalisation or convention based upon one).

But the names? What about some new ones, to reflect our unique situation? Simply moving the Northern ones six months along isn't, I don't know - isn't the "best fit" or something.

The (present) miracle of the Aussie situation (in global socio- historical terms) : that is, the spirits of land, of sea, and of air which have led our forbears here - all of us, from the newest Chinese immigrant to the descendants of the First Fleeters; the Mediterranean immigrants who brought so much colour and savoir-faire into the business of colonisation, the refugees from the Middle East and Africa, to the most ancient and untouched indigenous lineage - we were all brought here by Fate, and here we remain.

We all celebrate the seasons as seasons, as "children of earth and starry Heaven, whose race is of Heaven".

There might be a lot of Celts here who practise what they feel is in the spirit of their ancestral pagan traditions (it is not my business to question the veracity of this belief) but if the timing, actual geography, and so on is foreign to all Celtic tradition, and the timing is completely out, why apply the name to the opposite time of the year, to a moment when those whose forbears never left Celtic soil will be using precisly the contrary term?

Why not just say "Spring" or "Autumn"? English (even modern Australian English) is as magical a language as any.

Perhaps a special prefix or formal something could be added to note a particular day as a Feast day or something.

This isn't to diss anyone who uses the Celt names, at either arrangement. But I wonder whether it's time that this clever child of a nation took some bright, bold steps forwards - for surely the Future must be just as Pagan as the past, if not more so?

Best
C.B.

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Re: recent article advice on witches and pagans for police

Posted by: "scott_bisseker" nu_scott@hotmail.com   scott_bisseker

Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:14 pm (PDT)



Greetings CB

> It all gets one thinking, doesn't it. But days have no names, it is we who bestow them upon them. .....

> Perhaps a special prefix or formal something could be added to note a particular day as a Feast day or something.

Yup -'s way I see it essentially. I have used all manner of different names .. when I felt it was needed .. but hey as I see it we've just had "Hartz Night" (particular time) or Springdeep (as a generality) and now toward summer ... *Shrugs* I also do so actually to divorce from some of the other names whcih, (due to specificity) reAlly (and out of respect) I feel need to be used in a particular subset as it were.

As the line to which I belong doesn't have any required seasonal workings I get to choose *IF* I feel it *NEEDED*. (Hence as it's gettin in towards Summer though of course also I judge such by lookin out my window not a calendar)

So the way I see it I figure as I don't wear goggles and flippers when I'm not diving .. I would not use culture specific names .. when I won't be using them .. or just "cause" as it were.

>But I wonder whether it's time that this clever child of a nation took some bright, bold steps forwards - for surely the Future must be just as Pagan as the past, if not more so?

Indeed! Perhaps it is time more people sought what their forebears sought rather than simply seeking to be like them. As my gradnfather said to me once: "You look up to me? Perhaps you should set your sights higher!"

I know it is not a popular view but I have said for a very long time now that it is invaluable to suss out other traditions to see not how they do the "high falutin" but rather deal how to deal with the common everyday hassles of life.

The examples that immediately spring to mind is that there are a number of articles by old Chirch of Satan members that give very good and well thought out ways to cope very effectively with the social problems of identification vs self identification and some of the longer term rammifications as per what is and is not therefore considered a part of their way.

The importance of this latter becomes very obvious lately manifesting in books like the one wot wuz in the news and so on.

This sort of common sense just isn't picked up in a lot of circles (often simply because of the terrible "S" word) which is a pity as it simply means at the end of the day that some things which people find puzzling obstacles .. remain so simply because they haven't seen how others have already solved the problem quite well. *Shrugs*

In the case of this last quote of yours it very much reminds me of two instances .. one is the Ondrejko "Who is a Satanist?" article mixed with a precept I have known for a long time which simply says that if you are IN everything you do is what one of us would do.

Simple as that.

Every gift is a blessing and thinking ill makes it so when it comes to the powers. *Shrugs* Not very esoteric but and undeniably ancient point of view.

Subsisto

Scott

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Re: recent article advice on witches and pagans for police

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Fri Nov 5, 2010 7:34 pm (PDT)





--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "scott_bisseker" <nu_scott@...> wrote:

> The importance of this latter becomes very obvious lately manifesting in books like the one wot wuz in the news and so on.

Hello Scott,

Which book was in the news?

C.B.

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Re: recent article advice on witches and pagans for police

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Fri Nov 5, 2010 9:26 pm (PDT)



Hi C.B.

On your point ..Why Celtic names? I have to agree. Yep! like a lot of Aussies I do have a touch of Celtic blood, but my predominant linage is Dacian. It is a hereditary Dacian spirituality I adhere to along with their dates and times..Oh and just as a matter of interest.. we see mid summer, mid winter and the equinoxes as seasonal and celebrate those at times appropriate to our location. The other 6 biggies for us are not on seasonal times more astrological timing.. hence .. to us... remain to a fixed schedule regardless where we are.

As for old Sam Hain.. Im bLoNky and the rest.. nope sorry they just don't resonate after all their usage has only become popular in recent times. I never heard of them as a callow youth going through his training under long suffering teachers. nor later when we formed our first hived off coven.. in fact not until the Newage made all things Celtic trendy.

And just in case that along with the usual slings and arrows us traditionalist oft are rained on by, comes an accusation of anti Celtism, (cripes is that a word), nay my friends.. in fact... there exists a bit of evidence that the Dacians or perhaps the related Thracians just might have been where the original Celts emerged from!

Bill.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "carteblanche13" <carteblanche13@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Deb <universalpeace2005@> wrote:
> >
> >   Wonder if here in Australia they would follow the Southern
> > Wheel, or think if it's Samhain in Northern Hemisphere, it must be Samhain in Southern, let alone other silly thoughts.
>
>
> It all gets one thinking, doesn't it. But days have no names, it is we who bestow them upon them.
>
> I mean, why bother with Celtic names anyway? It's not like we grew up using them (well, not in a continuous sort of way). It seems a touch affected to me.
>
> I (speaking solely in terms of personal preference) would rather dignify the traditional Celtic titles by leaving them for exclusive use upon the soil which gave them birth.
>
> Fair enough if we all lived in the British Isles, but we don't. Using an inverted timing is fine because, more or less, it reflects an actual discernible fact (or a symmetrical generalisation or convention based upon one).
>
> But the names? What about some new ones, to reflect our unique situation? Simply moving the Northern ones six months along isn't, I don't know - isn't the "best fit" or something.
>
> The (present) miracle of the Aussie situation (in global socio- historical terms) : that is, the spirits of land, of sea, and of air which have led our forbears here - all of us, from the newest Chinese immigrant to the descendants of the First Fleeters; the Mediterranean immigrants who brought so much colour and savoir-faire into the business of colonisation, the refugees from the Middle East and Africa, to the most ancient and untouched indigenous lineage - we were all brought here by Fate, and here we remain.
>
> We all celebrate the seasons as seasons, as "children of earth and starry Heaven, whose race is of Heaven".
>
>
> There might be a lot of Celts here who practise what they feel is in the spirit of their ancestral pagan traditions (it is not my business to question the veracity of this belief) but if the timing, actual geography, and so on is foreign to all Celtic tradition, and the timing is completely out, why apply the name to the opposite time of the year, to a moment when those whose forbears never left Celtic soil will be using precisly the contrary term?
>
> Why not just say "Spring" or "Autumn"? English (even modern Australian English) is as magical a language as any.
>
> Perhaps a special prefix or formal something could be added to note a particular day as a Feast day or something.
>
> This isn't to diss anyone who uses the Celt names, at either arrangement. But I wonder whether it's time that this clever child of a nation took some bright, bold steps forwards - for surely the Future must be just as Pagan as the past, if not more so?
>
> Best
> C.B.
>

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Lunar Eclipse for the eve of the Summer Solstice

Posted by: "Fire_Thorne" fire_thorne@yahoo.com.au   fire_thorne

Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:41 pm (PDT)



A Lunar eclipse for the Summer Solstice eve this year, or Yule if you are so inclined.

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