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1a.: Brida - A Book Review. BB. From: Blackbird
1b.: Re: Brida - A Book Review. BB. From: Mary Cooney
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1d.: Re: Brida - A Book Review. BB. From: Mary Cooney

2a.: Re: Spell(s) to increase intuition? From: Jude DaShiell

3a.: Disappointed Ignorance From: nicoleh
3b.: Re: Samhain Info & Lore (Was: Disappointed Ignorance From: gaia_d

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1a.: Brida - A Book Review. BB.

Posted by: "Blackbird" blackbird_61@yahoo.com blackbird_61

Sun Oct 3, 2010 2:56 pm (PDT)

Hi All,
I just posted this review at Amazon, but I thought I would share it
here, because it concerns matters we discuss. >

Brida: A Novel (P.S.)
<http://www.amazon.com/Brida-Novel-P-S-Paulo-Coelho/dp/0061578959/ref=cm\
_cr-mr-title> : Paulo Coelho

[2.0 out of 5 stars] Christ-Witch Maybe, but Wiccan not.

I like Paulo's books as a Rule, he always makes me think, but at the
same time, he can make me more than a little nuts.

The Charactor Wicca
Reminds me of no Wiccan I have known in 30 years as a Pagan, this book
might provide some Guidance to those seeking a Christ-Witch path, but it
has nothing to do with Wicca, actual Gardnarian Wicca, nor much to do
with the Larger Pagan community, and I see from other reviews I am not
the Only Pagan to find "Wicca" unfortunately named.

Paulo claims to be an initiate, and that his fiction in part is based on
that initiated path, but this book leaves me skeptical, the Quote,"I
received a severe reprimand from my Teacher, 'There may well be quicker
or easier methods, that doesn't matter; what matter is that the
Tradition remains Unchanged.' Strikes me as particularly odd, it may
well be what an outsider expects of Magick, Old Old books and Older
Ways, but the reality is IMHO quite Different, and I would suggest to
Paulo and the Reader, "The Only Tree in the forest that does not change
is a Dead One."

The Book has some value, it certainly makes one think, but ... I'm not
so sure it provides any real insight into the realities of a Magickal
life.

BTW, Mary may be one Face of the Goddess, but the Goddess is not Mary.
Blessings, BB.

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1b.: Re: Brida - A Book Review. BB.

Posted by: "Mary Cooney" msweetness05@gmail.com sylvanmimi09

Sun Oct 3, 2010 8:49 pm (PDT)

I read this book, its great, I love most of Paulo Coelho books very
inspiring. And I agree, it isn't true wiccan which is practiced in this
story but its an interesting story, I looked at it as nothing but fiction,
not as anything to do with true wiccan practice. Paulo Coelho is a writer
who has experienced many things which is characteristic with writers but
they are novels, inspiring but still fiction. If you read his book "The
Alchemist" its evident that his religion is not wiccan but more on the
christian level.
"Brida" does do an interesting job on reincarnation though.

Mary

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Blackbird <blackbird_61@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi All,
> I just posted this review at Amazon, but I thought I would share it here,
> because it concerns matters we discuss. >
>
> *Brida: A Novel (P.S.)<http://www.amazon.com/Brida-Novel-P-S-Paulo-Coelho/dp/0061578959/ref=cm_cr-mr-title>
> *: Paulo Coelho
>
> [image: 2.0 out of 5 stars] *Christ-Witch Maybe, but Wiccan not.*
>
> I like Paulo's books as a Rule, he always makes me think, but at the same
> time, he can make me more than a little nuts.
>
> The Charactor Wicca
> Reminds me of no Wiccan I have known in 30 years as a Pagan, this book
> might provide some Guidance to those seeking a Christ-Witch path, but it has
> nothing to do with Wicca, actual Gardnarian Wicca, nor much to do with the
> Larger Pagan community, and I see from other reviews I am not the Only Pagan
> to find "Wicca" unfortunately named.
>
> Paulo claims to be an initiate, and that his fiction in part is based on
> that initiated path, but this book leaves me skeptical, the Quote,"I
> received a severe reprimand from my Teacher, 'There may well be quicker or
> easier methods, that doesn't matter; what matter is that the Tradition
> remains Unchanged.' Strikes me as particularly odd, it may well be what an
> outsider expects of Magick, Old Old books and Older Ways, but the reality is
> IMHO quite Different, and I would suggest to Paulo and the Reader, "The Only
> Tree in the forest that does not change is a Dead One."
>
> The Book has some value, it certainly makes one think, but ... I'm not so
> sure it provides any real insight into the realities of a Magickal life.
>
> BTW, Mary may be one Face of the Goddess, but the Goddess is not Mary.
> Blessings, BB.
>
>

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1c.: Re: Brida - A Book Review. BB.

Posted by: "Blackbird" blackbird_61@yahoo.com blackbird_61

Sun Oct 3, 2010 9:05 pm (PDT)

Glad to see someone offer another POV, I do generally like Paulo, he
makes me think, ...

What bothers me about this piece is ... He claims to be an initiate,
repeatedly and I think that implies some responsibility, he quotes his
teacher as chastising him, "'There may well be quicker or easier
methods, that doesn't matter; what matter is that the Tradition remains
Unchanged" and then on the other hand we have this total
fictionalization of Wicca as represented by the Wicca Charactor,

I would allow for the possibility that this may be an error in
translation, I hope to check at the Library soon as I am well. Imagine
if the Original was written in Italian, and Wicca was called Stregga in
the Italian, I can easily Imagine someone not knowing they are two very
seperate traditions "translating" Stregga as Wicca in the English, I
dont know that that happened here, but it may have.

Yes as Pure Fiction, I like his work, but to the best of my knowledge JK
Rowling does not claim to be an adept of any sort, so the expectation is
not the same, at least not mine. ...

Not meaning to challange you here, just taking the oppertunity to
elaborate a little on the original post ... I have not read the
Alchemist, but got most of the way through the Valkaries, (I have
terrible reading habits.) and found it very interesting. Blessings, BB.

--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, Mary Cooney <msweetness05@...>
wrote:
>
I read this book, its great, I love most of Paulo Coelho books very
inspiring. And I agree, it isn't true wiccan which is practiced in this
story but its an interesting story, I looked at it as nothing but
fiction, not as anything to do with true wiccan practice. Paulo Coelho
is a writer who has experienced many things which is characteristic with
writers but they are novels, inspiring but still fiction. If you read
his book "The Alchemist" its evident that his religion is not wiccan but
more on the christian level.
"Brida" does do an interesting job on reincarnation though.

Mary

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Blackbird <blackbird_61@yahoo.com
</group/Witch_Essentials/post?postID=zBSUX9yznGKqCOIvEMOtEvyVWRAwleTHEcs\
lOphXWONHNUKUwJuLTQmYgQeRkNarnUCV2Iem3OK9iYP298QYb9Q> > wrote:

Hi All,
I just posted this review at Amazon, but I thought I would share it
here, because it concerns matters we discuss. >

Brida: A Novel (P.S.)
<http://www.amazon.com/Brida-Novel-P-S-Paulo-Coelho/dp/0061578959/ref=cm\
_cr-mr-title> : Paulo Coelho

[2.0 out of 5 stars] Christ-Witch Maybe, but Wiccan not.
I like Paulo's books as a Rule, he always makes me think, but at the
same time, he can make me more than a little nuts.

The Charactor Wicca
Reminds me of no Wiccan I have known in 30 years as a Pagan, this book
might provide some Guidance to those seeking a Christ-Witch path, but it
has nothing to do with Wicca, actual Gardnarian Wicca, nor much to do
with the Larger Pagan community, and I see from other reviews I am not
the Only Pagan to find "Wicca" unfortunately named.

Paulo claims to be an initiate, and that his fiction in part is based on
that initiated path, but this book leaves me skeptical, the Quote,"I
received a severe reprimand from my Teacher, 'There may well be quicker
or easier methods, that doesn't matter; what matter is that the
Tradition remains Unchanged.' Strikes me as particularly odd, it may
well be what an outsider expects of Magick, Old Old books and Older
Ways, but the reality is IMHO quite Different, and I would suggest to
Paulo and the Reader, "The Only Tree in the forest that does not change
is a Dead One."

The Book has some value, it certainly makes one think, but ... I'm not
so sure it provides any real insight into the realities of a Magickal
life.

BTW, Mary may be one Face of the Goddess, but the Goddess is not Mary.
Blessings, BB.

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1d.: Re: Brida - A Book Review. BB.

Posted by: "Mary Cooney" msweetness05@gmail.com sylvanmimi09

Mon Oct 4, 2010 6:50 am (PDT)

In the beginning of the book there is a few pages under the title called,
"Warning" where the author talks about when he was in drama classes. The
quote you used below was from his drama teacher in explaining RAM in drama,
which I have never studied drama so I am not sure what RAM is. Then the
author goes on to explain about the few rituals in the story and that they
should not be practiced without guidance. The rituals are a part of the
"Tradition of the Moon" practiced over the centuries. Apparently Brida was
a real person and when Coelho interviewed her about the book she wanted to
keep changing things so I am not inclined to believe that these are real
rituals. I think they were changed and things were altered for secrecy. Its
just a story about a woman's search and her spiritual path which we all are
venturing on and that is all I think Coelho is doing in this story.
As for JK Rowling, not sure about that, haven't really read too many of her
books and so I am just assuming that she took her information from
references that are widely known in books and such whereas, Coelho took his
story from a person's experience?? Altered as it may be.

However, it was a good book on a spiritual journey as most of this other
ones are. He does speak from a Christian perspective most of the time. He
quotes a verse from the bible in the beginning of Brida which talks about a
woman who lost something and tears her house apart to find it,ie, the
spiritual journey.

Let me know what you think!

Blessed Be,
Mary

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Blackbird <blackbird_61@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Glad to see someone offer another POV, I do generally like Paulo, he makes
> me think, ...
>
> What bothers me about this piece is ... He claims to be an initiate,
> repeatedly and I think that implies some responsibility, he quotes his
> teacher as chastising him, "'There may well be quicker or easier methods,
> that doesn't matter; what matter is that the Tradition remains Unchanged"
> and then on the other hand we have this total fictionalization of Wicca as
> represented by the Wicca Charactor, but you are correct, whatever trad he
> may be an initiate in, it is clearly a Christian one.
>
> I would allow for the possibility that this may be an error in translation,
> I hope to check at the Library soon as I am well. Imagine if the Original
> was written in Italian, and Wicca was called Stregga in the Italian, I can
> easily Imagine someone not knowing they are two very seperate traditions
> "translating" Stregga as Wicca in the English, I dont know that that
> happened here, but it may have.
>
> Yes as Pure Fiction, I like his work, but to the best of my knowledge JK
> Rowling does not claim to be an adept of any sort, so the expectation is not
> the same, at least not mine. ...
>
> Not meaning to challange you here, just taking the oppertunity to elaborate
> a little on the original post ... I have not read the Alchemist, but got
> most of the way through the Valkaries, (I have terrible reading habits.) and
> found it very interesting. Blessings, BB.
>
>
> --- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, Mary Cooney <msweetness05@...>
> wrote:
> >
> I read this book, its great, I love most of Paulo Coelho books very
> inspiring. And I agree, it isn't true wiccan which is practiced in this
> story but its an interesting story, I looked at it as nothing but fiction,
> not as anything to do with true wiccan practice. Paulo Coelho is a writer
> who has experienced many things which is characteristic with writers but
> they are novels, inspiring but still fiction. If you read his book "The
> Alchemist" its evident that his religion is not wiccan but more on the
> christian level.
> "Brida" does do an interesting job on reincarnation though.
>
> Mary
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Blackbird <blackbird_61@yahoo.com<http://group/Witch_Essentials/post?postID=zBSUX9yznGKqCOIvEMOtEvyVWRAwleTHEcslOphXWONHNUKUwJuLTQmYgQeRkNarnUCV2Iem3OK9iYP298QYb9Q>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I just posted this review at Amazon, but I thought I would share it here,
>> because it concerns matters we discuss. >
>>
>> *Brida: A Novel (P.S.)<http://www.amazon.com/Brida-Novel-P-S-Paulo-Coelho/dp/0061578959/ref=cm_cr-mr-title>
>> *: Paulo Coelho
>>
>> [image: 2.0 out of 5 stars] *Christ-Witch Maybe, but Wiccan not.*
>>
>> I like Paulo's books as a Rule, he always makes me think, but at the same
>> time, he can make me more than a little nuts.
>>
>> The Charactor Wicca
>> Reminds me of no Wiccan I have known in 30 years as a Pagan, this book
>> might provide some Guidance to those seeking a Christ-Witch path, but it has
>> nothing to do with Wicca, actual Gardnarian Wicca, nor much to do with the
>> Larger Pagan community, and I see from other reviews I am not the Only Pagan
>> to find "Wicca" unfortunately named.
>>
>> Paulo claims to be an initiate, and that his fiction in part is based on
>> that initiated path, but this book leaves me skeptical, the Quote,"I
>> received a severe reprimand from my Teacher, 'There may well be quicker or
>> easier methods, that doesn't matter; what matter is that the Tradition
>> remains Unchanged.' Strikes me as particularly odd, it may well be what an
>> outsider expects of Magick, Old Old books and Older Ways, but the reality is
>> IMHO quite Different, and I would suggest to Paulo and the Reader, "The Only
>> Tree in the forest that does not change is a Dead One."
>>
>> The Book has some value, it certainly makes one think, but ... I'm not so
>> sure it provides any real insight into the realities of a Magickal life.
>>
>> BTW, Mary may be one Face of the Goddess, but the Goddess is not Mary.
>> Blessings, BB.
>>
>
>

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2a.: Re: Spell(s) to increase intuition?

Posted by: "Jude DaShiell" jdashiel@shellworld.net

Sun Oct 3, 2010 8:49 pm (PDT)

The last study on intuition which had a large sample of people playing
several card games as part of that study provided some very useful
information. First it found that people with damage to a part of the
brain in the front of the head no longer have any useable intuition no
matter how long they try to turn it on. The controls without the brain
damage had what could be expected for intuition. This means there won't
be any paranormal football teams unless they're successful in avoiding
brain damage.On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Celeste wrote:

> Intuition isn't some mystical power that only special people have. Everybody has it, and you do too! The only way to "open" it is to start paying more attention to your "gut" instincts. Those gut instincts ARE your intuition.
>
> --- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, "heartlight144" <ccrivet@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>> Does anyone have any good spells for further opening ones intuition? Many thanks,
>> Heartlight
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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3a.: Disappointed Ignorance

Posted by: "nicoleh" nikki_m_rusch26@yahoo.com nikki_m_rusch26

Mon Oct 4, 2010 7:59 am (PDT)

Merry Meet-

I have a lot on my mind, and I am not looking to vent or anything- but this is one thing that I can't over look- I try to over look the ignorance of others because people are allowed to speak their mind. But why is it Non Wiccan,Pagan and others still believe that Halloween is a "Evil" holiday, time of the year? Do people not realize that Halloween is more than what it stood for back in the day? I came across a few websites and I am proud to say I have been studying and learning everything I can about Wicca, since I am 80% Irish I came across Wicca when I was 16 and I have felt the connection to the Celtic religion, anyway( ranting) I wanted to see what they had to say and I was horrified at what they had to say- I looked at the Exposingsatanism.org
just because it had a clip from Iowa and I can't believe that people say Wiccan's are pale white, fat( overweight) wear black robes, capes and kill animals. I wonder how do we educate people and help them understand that Witches do not Fly on a Broom stick, we don't kill animals and burn down churches. I am a solo witch and am comfortable with it, just wish that people were not ignorant. Witches are people too.
Blessed Be
(nikki)

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3b.: Re: Samhain Info & Lore (Was: Disappointed Ignorance

Posted by: "gaia_d" Gaia_D@yahoo.com gaia_d

Mon Oct 4, 2010 8:16 am (PDT)

--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups.com, "nicoleh" <nikki_m_rusch26@...>
wrote:
>
> Merry Meet-
>
> I have a lot on my mind, and I am not looking to vent or anything- but
this is one thing that I can't over look- I try to over look the
ignorance of others because people are allowed to speak their mind. But
why is it Non Wiccan,Pagan and others still believe that Halloween is a
"Evil" holiday, time of the year? Do people not realize that Halloween
is more than what it stood for back in the day? I came across a few
websites and I am proud to say I have been studying and learning
everything I can about Wicca, since I am 80% Irish I came across Wicca
when I was 16 and I have felt the connection to the Celtic religion,
anyway( ranting) I wanted to see what they had to say and I was
horrified at what they had to say- I looked at the Exposingsatanism.org
> just because it had a clip from Iowa and I can't believe that people
say Wiccan's are pale white, fat( overweight) wear black robes, capes
and kill animals. I wonder how do we educate people and help them
understand that Witches do not Fly on a Broom stick, we don't kill
animals and burn down churches. I am a solo witch and am comfortable
with it, just wish that people were not ignorant. Witches are people
too.
> Blessed Be
> (nikki)

GAIA:

Hi Nikki --

The problem is that it's not "ignorance" -- It's PREJUDICE, and
prejudice goes much deeper and is much more "ingrained" than mere
ignorance. Ignorance is just lack of knowledge, and can be "cured" with
education, but prejudice involves *conviction*.

Some People are *certain* that Wiccans are evil because (they think)
that's what their religion, their "sacred books" (the Bible) and their
priests/ ministers / "prophets" and leaders TELL them --

That's much more serious than mere ignorance, and it's not often changed
with mere education, because they beleive that the "education" is coming
from people who just don't know as much (or have as much spiritual
insight ) as they do!

At any rate, Here are some other good sites/ information on Samhain/
Hallows for you --

Why We NEED Samhain/ Halloween:

(c) 2008 By Gaia_d@...
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Book_of_Shadows_and_Grimoire_Collection/p\
ost?postID=Yi8CzjYa8vExpGCumG5E11nJCntJxwpiSAKeoxpu4V2EhQOafFOYryCD3x9b2\
GEXkyMcvo-_biS4o28> - Please don't reproduce without permission

All of us have a "Shadow" aspect, hidden deep within ourselves, that
hides from othes and ourselves, all the things we cannot bear to
recognize or acknowledge about ourselves -- fears, embarrassments,
shames, "monsters", etc.

"The Shadow acts like a psychic immune system,defining what is self and
what is not-self. For different people, in different families and
cultures, what falls into Ego and what falls into Shadow can vary. For
instance, some permit anger or agression to be expressed, most do not.
Some permit sexuality, vulnerability, or strong emotions; many do not.
Some permit financial ambition, or artistic expression, or intellectual
development, some do not.

All the feelings and capacities that are rejected by the Ego and exiled
into the Shadow contribute to the hidden power of the dark side of human
nature. However, not all of them are what we consider to be negative
traits. According to Jungian analyst Liliane Frey-Rohn, this dark
treasury includes our infantile parts, emotional attachments, neurotic
symptoms, as well as our undeveloped talents and gifts. The Shadow, she
says, "retains contact with the lost depths of the soul, with life and
vitality -- the superior, the univerally human, yes, even the creative
can be sensed there."
(Connie Zwieg and Jeremiah Abrams, "The Shadow Side of Everyday Life",
in _Meeting the Shadow_, Zweig and Abrams, ed, pp xvi-xvii.)

Not only individuals, but groups, cultures, countries, movments -- all
have Shadows.

Now, instead of denying, discounting, "prettifying", demonizing,
trivializing, ignoring, "saving" or "killing" the Shadow -- as
Christianity, New Age, and many other (Patriarchal) religions do; nearly
every Shamanic, Pagan path has *built into it* a way in which the
Seeker/ practitioner must eventually confront, work through, and
incorporate the Shadow into their whole self. This is one of the major
strengths of Paganism.

(For those who would like a bit of a hint about how to proceed to
contact the Shadow: think about the people who drive you *crazy* --
people or qualities that irritate the heck out of you, or who you feel
are utterly despicable. They are most likely carrying some aspect of
your Shadow. --
A few warnings: Failure / refusal to do Shadow-work, ensures that
eventually it will come back and bite you!

THIS, btw, is what gets a lot of people into trouble when they first
begin metaphysical/ magickal work - they try something that accesses
their Shadow, for which they are totally unprepared.
[This is generally what's going on when a beginner reports contacting
"evil demons" with a seance or Ouija board -- a beginner simply does
not have sufficient power or knowledge to actually conjur a demon --
what they have "conjured" is their own dark, dangerous, hungry, untamed
Shadow.]

NOrmally, our very dualistic culture denigrates and demonizes the Shadow
-- even ignores and suppresses it.
For example, look at the way our culture deals with death. We don't
like to talk about it, we ignore it and hope we can forget it. We
seclude people who are near death so we don't have to confront the
reality. We say things like, "passed on" to avoid the very word!

The entire Insurance and Mortuary industr(ies) are both manifestations
and perpetuations of our phobias around death. These are all
manifestations of a kind of cultural mental illness around the whole
issue of decline, death and decay.

But thanks to ancient Pagan practices, which developed precisely because
of the human need to confront and DEAL with these issues, Halloween
gives us an opportunity to bring out and face those suppressed /
repressed elements of our culture. We are brought face-to-face with our
worst fears in the skeletons, skulls, graves, etc. We take this one
time of year to EXORCISE some of our repressed fears -- and some of our
mental illness. WE NEED HALLOWEEN. It forces us to confront our fears
and loathing, get beyond them, and consider the fleeting nature of life
-- thereby cherishing it even more.

To try to "prettify" or "nice-ify" Halloween and avoid/ignore its
"darker" aspects (by only doing "nice" costumes and "nice" themes) is
to simply surrender to and perpetuate our cultural fear and loathing of
perfectly natural processes -- which, btw, we will ALL have to face
sooner or later -- and inasmuch as we give in to that, we contribute to
and perpetuate our mental illnesses and inability to face decline, death
and decay in healthy, positive ways.

HALLOWEEN IS GOOD FOR US, AND *NECESSARY* TO OUR MENTAL AND SPIRITUAL
HEALTH.

Blessed Be -

~Gaia

RESOURCES:

Here are some other good resources for Samhain Info and Lore:

Article on Samhain by Kerr Cuhulain -

http://books.google.com/books?id=kui1LDJIW8EC&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=Samh\
ain-+by+Kerr+Cuhulain&source=bl&ots=xS4upz__SN&sig=i25d67eqOad_J8X0h5Y1K\
KpYRiw&hl=en&ei=KCKmTPGkJI_UtQOZl4D-Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&res\
num=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
<http://books.google.com/books?id=kui1LDJIW8EC&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=Sam\
hain-+by+Kerr+Cuhulain&source=bl&ots=xS4upz__SN&sig=i25d67eqOad_J8X0h5Y1\
KKpYRiw&hl=en&ei=KCKmTPGkJI_UtQOZl4D-Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&re\
snum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false>

"The Origins of Halloween" By Rowan Moonstone -
http://www.ecauldron.net/samhainfaq.php
<http://www.ecauldron.net/samhainfaq.php>

Samhain Info and Lore - By Lady Cerridwyn, HPs -
http://www.paganart.net <http://www.paganart.net/>

"The Real Origins of Halloween" by Isaac Bonewits -
http://www.neopagan.net/Halloween-Origins.html
<http://www.neopagan.net/Halloween-Origins.html>

>

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