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Melbourne Reclaiming Public Beltane Gathering / Diwali Festival 30/1

Posted by: "SunBird" fimariposa@yahoo.com.au   fimariposa

Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:47 am (PDT)



Melbourne Reclaiming Public Beltane Gathering / Diwali Festival

Saturday October 30th 2010

When: 4:00pm (for 4:30pm start)

Where: Janet Clarke Rotunda - Queen Victoria Gardens (on Linlithgow Avenue,
about 100 meters or so from the lights at the intersection of
Linlithgow Avenue and Alexandra Avenue)

Join the Melbourne Reclaiming Community for Beltane in the City, and
then take part in the Diwali (Hindu) Celebrations at Federation Square.

Diwali - the Hindu Festival of Lights - celebrates the union of Sita
and Rama.  This year Melbourne's Indian Community will host festivities
at Federation Square (including Bollywood Dancing, Musical
performances, Indian food and fireworks) on Saturday Oct 30th, between
12 noon and 9pm.

As we feel the energies of Beltane and Diwali are somewhat aligned, the
Melbourne Reclaiming community has this year decided to attend the
Diwali festival as part of our Beltane celebrations.  We invite you to
join us for a simple Beltane ritual in Queen Victoria Gardens, before
joining us as we take part in the Diwali festivities at Federation
Square.

THIS IS A FREE PUBLIC EVENT

Children Welcome

WHAT TO BRING:

- Flowers (for offerings - will be placed in river)

- Poems/Songs/Prayers (Beltane theme)

- Sun protection

- Warm clothes (for sundown)

- Sparklers

- Water bottle

For more information, please contact:

Fiona 03) 9384 1082

Sandra 0425 757 937

Rhonda 0408 334 198

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Wytchcraeft

Posted by: "vicpagan" thepaganz@hotmail.com   vicpagan

Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:32 am (PDT)



What I want to know is. Why do so many people become witches, and then try to suck all of the magick and maddness out of it? IO PANNE!!

(B)aphomet (B)lessings!

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Re: Wytchcraeft

Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:37 pm (PDT)




On 25/10/2010, at 11:32 PM, vicpagan wrote:

> What I want to know is. Why do so many people become witches, and
> then try to suck all of the magick and maddness out of it? IO PANNE!!
>
> (B)aphomet (B)lessings!

Hel! yeah!

I'd venture to suggest that this has to do with quite a few things,
some of which include: poor original training (if any at all); a lack
of connection to the spirit of the Craft; a transference of repressed
emotions that fear a loss of control; and other issues. This has an
overall dampen effect on fire of enthusiasm, ecstasy and wild spirit
that is the Witch.

Blessed Beast et vinum sabbati,
Tim 'ozpagan'

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Re: Wytchcraeft

Posted by: "Media Officer" media@paganawareness.net.au   pan_inc_media

Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:37 pm (PDT)



Hi Hawthorn, Tim,

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "vicpagan" <thepaganz@...> wrote:
>
> What I want to know is. Why do so many people become witches, and then try to suck all of the magick and maddness out of it? IO PANNE!!
>
> (B)aphomet (B)lessings!

Well, isn't that the beauty of being a witch in this day and age? No Pagan Inquisition running around weeding out the insufficiently mad or those imperfectly reverent of panne-velvet (give me bare flesh any day...)

People are always going to have different interpretations of what they feel is true magick, the true spirit of the Craft. This is why organisations like PAN have to be inclusive of the views of the whole spectrum, from 'suckers' to blow-hards. ;-)

Gavin Andrew

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Re: Wytchcraeft

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:46 pm (PDT)



Greetings.

Ah! The great question that puzzles so many! Probably not any simple or definitive answer. Some reasons might be...

It became trendy to be a Witch.

The great risks faced by those of us who were in the past have gone.

Confusion as to exact definition of "Witch".

Lack of opportunity for proper training and the unwillingness to make the sacrifices and be dedicated enough to undertake the training.

The old .."Which Witch is which" conundrum.

People who are NOT real and who know not their bums from their elbows writing books filled with absolute nonsense that are read by hopefuls.

The misconception held by many that "Witch" and "Pagan " are one and the same.

I can go on, but wont...Probable ruffled enough feathers and crushed velvet already....Bill.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "vicpagan" <thepaganz@...> wrote:
>
> What I want to know is. Why do so many people become witches, and then try to suck all of the magick and maddness out of it? IO PANNE!!
>
> (B)aphomet (B)lessings!
>

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Re: Wytchcraeft

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:51 pm (PDT)





--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "barbtrad" <barbtrad@...> wrote:

> ... the unwillingness to make the sacrifices ...

...the shortage of Virgins doesn't help!

C.B.

>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "vicpagan" <thepaganz@> wrote:
> >
> > What I want to know is. Why do so many people become witches, and then try to suck all of the magick and maddness out of it? IO PANNE!!
> >
> > (B)aphomet (B)lessings!
> >
>

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3.1.

Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au

Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:38 pm (PDT)



Thanks for the positive feedback Tim.

________________________________
From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ozpagan [ozpagan@ozpagan.com]
Sent: Sunday, 24 October 2010 4:50 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

On 24/10/2010, at 10:22 AM, David Garland wrote:

>Witches hope spells will end taxing time
>John Elder
>October 24, 2010 - 3:00AM
>WITCHES across the nation are being urged to send ''positive energy'' to the
>Australian Tax Office in support of a Wiccan church's claim for tax breaks.
> This story was found at:
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/witches-hope-spells-will-end-taxing-time-20101023-16yn4.html

Thanks David for posting this in. Thanks also to John Elder, and of course Amethyst without who there would be no story.

It is a positive story about an issue which otherwise would have gone unnoticed for it's significance to Australian Pagan generally. It's a major milestone for the community when individuals achieve these sorts of results and one that must have certainly involved a lot of personal sacrifice. It is another step in establishing in-roads of equality where Wicca and Paganism can be treated equally among other religions.

Thank you and congratulation to Amethyst and the "Community Church of Inclusive Wicca".

vinum sabbati,
Tim Hartridge <moderator>

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3.2.

Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:22 pm (PDT)



And ...?

The other dozen posts - in which one may discern a reasonable sort of concern at feeling exploited as curiosities for your personal professional gain, especially given the premature announcement- all beneath your contempt to acknowledge or address?

Ethics ? Manners ?!

I don't have an opinion either way but I would have thought some sensitivity might have been appropriate given the clear demonstration of concern.

It does change the feeling one has about contributing here.

C.B.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the positive feedback Tim.
>
> ________________________________
> From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ozpagan [ozpagan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 24 October 2010 4:50 PM
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion
>
>
>
> On 24/10/2010, at 10:22 AM, David Garland wrote:
>
> >Witches hope spells will end taxing time
> >John Elder
> >October 24, 2010 - 3:00AM
> >WITCHES across the nation are being urged to send ''positive energy'' to the
> >Australian Tax Office in support of a Wiccan church's claim for tax breaks.
> > This story was found at:
> > http://www.theage.com.au/national/witches-hope-spells-will-end-taxing-time-20101023-16yn4.html
>
> Thanks David for posting this in. Thanks also to John Elder, and of course Amethyst without who there would be no story.
>
> It is a positive story about an issue which otherwise would have gone unnoticed for it's significance to Australian Pagan generally. It's a major milestone for the community when individuals achieve these sorts of results and one that must have certainly involved a lot of personal sacrifice. It is another step in establishing in-roads of equality where Wicca and Paganism can be treated equally among other religions.
>
> Thank you and congratulation to Amethyst and the "Community Church of Inclusive Wicca".
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim Hartridge <moderator>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WitchesWorkshop/
> http://www.facebook.com/WitchesWorkshop
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> http://www.witchcampaustralia.org.au
>
>
>
>
> The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files.
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3.3.

Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au

Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:32 pm (PDT)



Ah, yes, the ill-informed carping responses. I started a response this morning, but every time I DO respond there are the follow-up ``oh, why so defensive?'' that I thought I might go open up a vein insteads, just for the fun of it. But ok. Justfor you C.B. -- because you're suggesting you might be put off contributing to the form. Fat chance, you tend to out your beak into anything going from what I can see. What else would you do with your time?

Anyway. I've now give you something else to crow about... meanwhile:

1. I have written a number of stories dealing with pagan/wicca community issues or incorporating voices from the community into mainstream issues, such as the election. Overwhelmingly the response on the forum is sneering or at the least poo-poohing, largely because an outsider has dared write anything to do with pagan affairs.
2. Now, re ethics. I always -- repeat ALWAYS -- contact people directly and never write a story simply based on what is posted, therefore no one's view is exploited, well, not unless they hear from me first.
3. While Amethyst's initial response on the forum was to hold off until ther ATO matter was resolved, when contacted directly she was happy to participate.
4. While I interviewed David on the phone, I contained his involvement in the story to what he'd said online. The reasons for this have been discussed directly with David.
5. What is the whinge -- there are always precious bits of moaning -- with this particular story? Oh yes, the misused term ''sensationalised''.... hmmm. I looked up ``positive energy'' in the wiccan context, and how it was characterised in the story was in line. If I were to write a Christian-related story, I might mention the drinking of Christ's blood -- and there if it were without comment (as was the case in the ATO story) there'd be no complaint.
6. The real problem here is the story did have a sense of humour, but not marked by unkindness. The ATO spokeswoman was a good sport. You might take a leaf out of her book. Because this is what the complainers can't stand -- anything less than a po-faced approach. B-O-R-I-N-G.

If you'd all like to take a vote as to whether I continue to be welcome to this forum (there is no great difficulty in gaining access) I'd be happy to abide by your decision. I will continue to write stories on pagan and witchcraft themes because it's an area that interests me.

Or we can have one big group hug and move on.

Love

John Elder

________________________________
From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of carteblanche13 [carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 3:22 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

And ...?

The other dozen posts - in which one may discern a reasonable sort of concern at feeling exploited as curiosities for your personal professional gain, especially given the premature announcement- all beneath your contempt to acknowledge or address?

Ethics ? Manners ?!

I don't have an opinion either way but I would have thought some sensitivity might have been appropriate given the clear demonstration of concern.

It does change the feeling one has about contributing here.

C.B.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>, John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the positive feedback Tim.
>
> ________________________________
> From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com> [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Ozpagan [ozpagan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 24 October 2010 4:50 PM
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion
>
>
>
> On 24/10/2010, at 10:22 AM, David Garland wrote:
>
> >Witches hope spells will end taxing time
> >John Elder
> >October 24, 2010 - 3:00AM
> >WITCHES across the nation are being urged to send ''positive energy'' to the
> >Australian Tax Office in support of a Wiccan church's claim for tax breaks.
> > This story was found at:
> > http://www.theage.com.au/national/witches-hope-spells-will-end-taxing-time-20101023-16yn4.html
>
> Thanks David for posting this in. Thanks also to John Elder, and of course Amethyst without who there would be no story.
>
> It is a positive story about an issue which otherwise would have gone unnoticed for it's significance to Australian Pagan generally. It's a major milestone for the community when individuals achieve these sorts of results and one that must have certainly involved a lot of personal sacrifice. It is another step in establishing in-roads of equality where Wicca and Paganism can be treated equally among other religions.
>
> Thank you and congratulation to Amethyst and the "Community Church of Inclusive Wicca".
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim Hartridge <moderator>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WitchesWorkshop/
> http://www.facebook.com/WitchesWorkshop
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> http://www.witchcampaustralia.org.au
>
>
>
>
> The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files.
>

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3.4.

Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "cottytosmaid" cottytosmaid@yahoo.com.au   cottytosmaid

Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:22 pm (PDT)



Greetings John.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, yes, the ill-informed carping responses. I started a response this morning, but every time I DO respond there are the follow-up ``oh, why so defensive?'' that I thought I might go open up a vein insteads, just for the fun of it. But ok. Justfor you C.B. -- because you're suggesting you might be put off contributing to the form. Fat chance, you tend to out your beak into anything going from what I can see. What else would you do with your time?

I'm not buying into your dispute with CB, but I will say CB Is a regular contributor and I for one have enjoyed many of CB's posts. Might not always agree with them, but enjoy someone who has something to say on most issues. After all, isn't that what lists like this are for? Don't see, as you put it, "Outing your beak into anything going" as valid criticism.

As for the issue of plagiarism, ( that is what the accusations about your story are about are they not?) Well I believe you have answered that by stating that you spoke to the author before publishing your article.

As for the content of your writing, honestly John I have not read it nor am I particularly interested, as the whole issue of taxation breaks for religions is something I have my own opinions on. (Opinions that would not likely be too popular with most) Those who hold different views are certainly entitled to.

It's pretty simple really - If you or anyone else used my post without permission, I'd scream long and loud about it, but, as far as I know you didn't use anything without consulting the author, so a storm in a teacup perhaps?

Cotty

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3.5.

Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au

Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:45 pm (PDT)



Hi Cotty
of course C.B. should post whenever and wherever. I was being a little saucy really, suggesting that nothing in fact would ever dissuade that enthusiasm. In other words, stirring the pot. Of tea. Milky witha spot of sugar and a stormy after-taste.

Best,

JE

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From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cottytosmaid [cottytosmaid@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 5:21 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Greetings John.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>, John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, yes, the ill-informed carping responses. I started a response this morning, but every time I DO respond there are the follow-up ``oh, why so defensive?'' that I thought I might go open up a vein insteads, just for the fun of it. But ok. Justfor you C.B. -- because you're suggesting you might be put off contributing to the form. Fat chance, you tend to out your beak into anything going from what I can see. What else would you do with your time?

I'm not buying into your dispute with CB, but I will say CB Is a regular contributor and I for one have enjoyed many of CB's posts. Might not always agree with them, but enjoy someone who has something to say on most issues. After all, isn't that what lists like this are for? Don't see, as you put it, "Outing your beak into anything going" as valid criticism.

As for the issue of plagiarism, ( that is what the accusations about your story are about are they not?) Well I believe you have answered that by stating that you spoke to the author before publishing your article.

As for the content of your writing, honestly John I have not read it nor am I particularly interested, as the whole issue of taxation breaks for religions is something I have my own opinions on. (Opinions that would not likely be too popular with most) Those who hold different views are certainly entitled to.

It's pretty simple really - If you or anyone else used my post without permission, I'd scream long and loud about it, but, as far as I know you didn't use anything without consulting the author, so a storm in a teacup perhaps?

Cotty

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3.6.

Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:27 am (PDT)



Thank you John. I only wanted to see -purely as a matter of personal curiosity- whether it actually mattered to you, as a journalist who uses this forum regularly for article-fodder (and not for the purpose which everyone else here uses it and joined it for - regardless of whether it is easy to join or not), that a number of people felt uncomfortable with your article, and to see how you felt about their criticisms, and how you dealt with them and the implications raised by them, beyond mere offhand dismissal.

As I mentioned, I have no opinion on the matter being discussed (the fact that the story was written) at all, I am merely curious about you - you see, I'm preparing an article on tabloid journalists for publication in a major paper next month. Thanks for airing your position more clearly. I'll be sure to include that in suitably positive, respectful terms. All in good time, of course.

Best possible regards,
C.B.

P.S. - is "John Elder" your 'street' name, or special 'journalist' name?

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, John Elder <jelder@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, yes, the ill-informed carping responses. I started a response this morning, but every time I DO respond there are the follow-up ``oh, why so defensive?'' that I thought I might go open up a vein insteads, just for the fun of it. But ok. Justfor you C.B. -- because you're suggesting you might be put off contributing to the form. Fat chance, you tend to out your beak into anything going from what I can see. What else would you do with your time?
>
> Anyway. I've now give you something else to crow about... meanwhile:
>
>
> 1. I have written a number of stories dealing with pagan/wicca community issues or incorporating voices from the community into mainstream issues, such as the election. Overwhelmingly the response on the forum is sneering or at the least poo-poohing, largely because an outsider has dared write anything to do with pagan affairs.
> 2. Now, re ethics. I always -- repeat ALWAYS -- contact people directly and never write a story simply based on what is posted, therefore no one's view is exploited, well, not unless they hear from me first.
> 3. While Amethyst's initial response on the forum was to hold off until ther ATO matter was resolved, when contacted directly she was happy to participate.
> 4. While I interviewed David on the phone, I contained his involvement in the story to what he'd said online. The reasons for this have been discussed directly with David.
> 5. What is the whinge -- there are always precious bits of moaning -- with this particular story? Oh yes, the misused term ''sensationalised''.... hmmm. I looked up ``positive energy'' in the wiccan context, and how it was characterised in the story was in line. If I were to write a Christian-related story, I might mention the drinking of Christ's blood -- and there if it were without comment (as was the case in the ATO story) there'd be no complaint.
> 6. The real problem here is the story did have a sense of humour, but not marked by unkindness. The ATO spokeswoman was a good sport. You might take a leaf out of her book. Because this is what the complainers can't stand -- anything less than a po-faced approach. B-O-R-I-N-G.
>
> If you'd all like to take a vote as to whether I continue to be welcome to this forum (there is no great difficulty in gaining access) I'd be happy to abide by your decision. I will continue to write stories on pagan and witchcraft themes because it's an area that interests me.
>
>
>
>
>
> Or we can have one big group hug and move on.
>
>
>
> Love
>
>
>
> John Elder
>
> ________________________________
> From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of carteblanche13 [carteblanche13@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 3:22 PM
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion
>
>
>
> And ...?
>
> The other dozen posts - in which one may discern a reasonable sort of concern at feeling exploited as curiosities for your personal professional gain, especially given the premature announcement- all beneath your contempt to acknowledge or address?
>
> Ethics ? Manners ?!
>
> I don't have an opinion either way but I would have thought some sensitivity might have been appropriate given the clear demonstration of concern.
>
> It does change the feeling one has about contributing here.
>
> C.B.
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>, John Elder <jelder@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the positive feedback Tim.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com> [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Ozpagan [ozpagan@]
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 October 2010 4:50 PM
> > To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion
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> > On 24/10/2010, at 10:22 AM, David Garland wrote:
> >
> > >Witches hope spells will end taxing time
> > >John Elder
> > >October 24, 2010 - 3:00AM
> > >WITCHES across the nation are being urged to send ''positive energy'' to the
> > >Australian Tax Office in support of a Wiccan church's claim for tax breaks.
> > > This story was found at:
> > > http://www.theage.com.au/national/witches-hope-spells-will-end-taxing-time-20101023-16yn4.html
> >
> > Thanks David for posting this in. Thanks also to John Elder, and of course Amethyst without who there would be no story.
> >
> > It is a positive story about an issue which otherwise would have gone unnoticed for it's significance to Australian Pagan generally. It's a major milestone for the community when individuals achieve these sorts of results and one that must have certainly involved a lot of personal sacrifice. It is another step in establishing in-roads of equality where Wicca and Paganism can be treated equally among other religions.
> >
> > Thank you and congratulation to Amethyst and the "Community Church of Inclusive Wicca".
> >
> > vinum sabbati,
> > Tim Hartridge <moderator>
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WitchesWorkshop/
> > http://www.facebook.com/WitchesWorkshop
> > http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> > http://www.witchcampaustralia.org.au
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