Messages In This Digest (5 Messages)
- 1a.
- July Issue of PaganPages From: paganpagesorg
- 2.
- Fwd: Astrological Musings: The Universe defies expectations (AGAIN! From: blackbird
- 3a.
- A story I want to share to get your opinion From: Ziggy
- 3b.
- Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion From: Trish Curtis
- 3c.
- Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion From: gaia_d
Messages
- 1a.
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July Issue of PaganPages
Posted by: "paganpagesorg" paganpagesorg@yahoo.com paganpagesorg
Fri Jul 1, 2011 12:58 pm (PDT)
Merry Meet
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Fwd: Astrological Musings: The Universe defies expectations (AGAIN!
Posted by: "blackbird" blackbird_61@yahoo.com blackbird_61
Fri Jul 1, 2011 1:17 pm (PDT)
--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Astrological Musings <blogs@partner.beliefnet. > wrote:com
The Universe defies expectations
Posted: 27 Jun 2011 03:29 AM PDT
I always feel a certain amount of glee when conventional science is turned on its head. After all, conventional science pooh-poohs not only astrology, but also psychology and any other field of study which cannot be rigorously tested and duplicated without fail. So naturally I love this:
Space is festooned with vast "hyperclusters" of galaxies, a new cosmic map suggests. It could mean that gravity or dark energy – or perhaps something completely unknown – is behaving very strangely indeed.
Read the full post here »
BB re: " So naturally I love this" and I could not agree more!
Blessings BB.
I am the Cup which holds Eternity.
All other Cups
Have their Source in Me.
The Goddess Innana.
- 3a.
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A story I want to share to get your opinion
Posted by: "Ziggy" trishahorn@aol.com monkeywhispers725
Fri Jul 1, 2011 1:18 pm (PDT)
Hello and Merry Meet,
I want to share a story with you all because I want your opinion. When I
was born I was born in a mental hospital because my mother was there.
They said she heard voices and could see the dead and communicate with
different things so back in the 40"& 50"s if you were any thing like
psychic or had gifts in the paranormal field that is what they did and
she died in a mental hospital. Well my grand parents took me home and
raised me. I had polio at 18 months old and crawled on the floor until I
was 4 yrs old. Then because they couldn't offord the braces and
operations I had to have they gave me to foster parents that lived in
St. Louis, Mo. ( I was born in Louisville, Ky) any way the people that
took me were wealthy and they taught me how to walk but most of the
times (every year) I was in the hospitals having surgeries on my legs. I
am very greatful to them but they were very abusive verbally and
phyically. They didn't give me love but showered me with material
things. But when I would want a hug or affection they told me to go sit
down and don't be silly. My foster mom was very abusive. I remember one
time I got to come home from the hospital with a cast on my leg and she
had gotten uspet with something I had said, she threw me on the floor by
the head of my hair and sat on my chest and was beating me and hitting
my head up and down on the floor, well so much for that. While in the
hospital they would fill me with drugs starting at 5 yrs old when I
started having the surgeries and then when it was time to go home they
would just cut me off with no meds to take at home. When I was 10 yrs
old I had a terrible hip operation and they gave me morphine all the
time so I got addicted to it at 10 yrs old. ( we are talking in the mid
50's). So one time I got very angry from the abuse and we had many
beautiful tree's there where I lived. Well, I was about 8 yrs old and
new nothing about witchcraft or the wiccan rede. So I took some of my
foster mothers bobby pins that she had in her hair because back then
everyone used bobby pins to curl there hair. well, I took those bobby
pins and whet out to a tree and at the very base of the tree buried them
in the ground close to the base of the tree as close as I could get them
and said some giberish over them angry with her. Well then after about 3
days the foster mom was up on a latter washing the windows and she
slipped and fell. I saw it happen and didn't go up to her to see if she
was ok, I just saw that she wasn't moving at all. I felt happy and went
to my room. Well, she finally woke up and I pretended I didn't hear or
see anything. The next time, she was mowing the yard with one of those
sit down little tractor mowers and she forgot to bend her head to go
under a tree and the tree knocked her off the mower and the mower was
still mowing around by itself. Now my question to you or anyone out
there. Since I was only 8 yrs old and didn't know about harm none. What
do you think? Will I have bad karma? Will this come back on me in the
future 3 times or do we as Wiccans have a defence system? Remember I was
only 8 yrs old.
Thank you for reading this long letter.
Blessed Be!
Czigany Shimza
- 3b.
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Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion
Posted by: "Trish Curtis" anartfullmind60@yahoo.com anartfullmind60
Fri Jul 1, 2011 2:32 pm (PDT)
no problem.stop beating yourself up over this.she got all the karma not you. so
please stop what ever your thinking ok.
_____________________ _________ __
From: Ziggy <trishahorn@aol.com >
To: Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 8:02:41 PM
Subject: [Witch_Essentials] A story I want to share to get your opinion
Hello and Merry Meet,
I want to share a story with you all because I want your opinion. When I
was born I was born in a mental hospital because my mother was there.
They said she heard voices and could see the dead and communicate with
different things so back in the 40"& 50"s if you were any thing like
psychic or had gifts in the paranormal field that is what they did and
she died in a mental hospital. Well my grand parents took me home and
raised me. I had polio at 18 months old and crawled on the floor until I
was 4 yrs old. Then because they couldn't offord the braces and
operations I had to have they gave me to foster parents that lived in
St. Louis, Mo. ( I was born in Louisville, Ky) any way the people that
took me were wealthy and they taught me how to walk but most of the
times (every year) I was in the hospitals having surgeries on my legs. I
am very greatful to them but they were very abusive verbally and
phyically. They didn't give me love but showered me with material
things. But when I would want a hug or affection they told me to go sit
down and don't be silly. My foster mom was very abusive. I remember one
time I got to come home from the hospital with a cast on my leg and she
had gotten uspet with something I had said, she threw me on the floor by
the head of my hair and sat on my chest and was beating me and hitting
my head up and down on the floor, well so much for that. While in the
hospital they would fill me with drugs starting at 5 yrs old when I
started having the surgeries and then when it was time to go home they
would just cut me off with no meds to take at home. When I was 10 yrs
old I had a terrible hip operation and they gave me morphine all the
time so I got addicted to it at 10 yrs old. ( we are talking in the mid
50's). So one time I got very angry from the abuse and we had many
beautiful tree's there where I lived. Well, I was about 8 yrs old and
new nothing about witchcraft or the wiccan rede. So I took some of my
foster mothers bobby pins that she had in her hair because back then
everyone used bobby pins to curl there hair. well, I took those bobby
pins and whet out to a tree and at the very base of the tree buried them
in the ground close to the base of the tree as close as I could get them
and said some giberish over them angry with her. Well then after about 3
days the foster mom was up on a latter washing the windows and she
slipped and fell. I saw it happen and didn't go up to her to see if she
was ok, I just saw that she wasn't moving at all. I felt happy and went
to my room. Well, she finally woke up and I pretended I didn't hear or
see anything. The next time, she was mowing the yard with one of those
sit down little tractor mowers and she forgot to bend her head to go
under a tree and the tree knocked her off the mower and the mower was
still mowing around by itself. Now my question to you or anyone out
there. Since I was only 8 yrs old and didn't know about harm none. What
do you think? Will I have bad karma? Will this come back on me in the
future 3 times or do we as Wiccans have a defence system? Remember I was
only 8 yrs old.
Thank you for reading this long letter.
Blessed Be!
Czigany Shimza
- 3c.
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Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion
Posted by: "gaia_d" Gaia_D@yahoo.com gaia_d
Fri Jul 1, 2011 2:43 pm (PDT)
--- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups. , "Ziggy" <trishahorn@com ...> wrote:
>
> . Since I was only 8 yrs old and didn't know about harm none. What
> do you think? Will I have bad karma? Will this come back on me in the
> future 3 times or do we as Wiccans have a defence system? Remember I
was
> only 8 yrs old.
>
GAIA:
HI and Merry Meet, Ziggy --
Well, first of all, i'm afraid that you -- like so many others -- have
misunderstood the Wiccan Rede - It does *not* say,"Harm none"; that is a
contraction of the Rede that is used by many (especially beginners), but
it actually reverses the entire meaning and intention of the Rede.
Please read this carefully:
In fact, the term "Rede" means "strong suggestion or recommendation",
and that's what the Rede is --v NOT any sort of "law" or "rule".
Here's an article that i posted to another group, which helps explain
the real meaning of the Rede -- it's titled, "Wiccan Ethics and the
Wiccan Rede" by Dianis Lucien (D. W. Piper); Copyright © 1994-2005 -
from http://www.starkindler.org/dianis/ realrede. html
<http://www.starkindler.org/dianis/ >realrede. html
I. What Sayeth The Rede?
The "archaically worded" construction "An it harm none, do what ye
will," rendered into modern English is literally, "if it doesn't harm
anyone, do what you want."
Many modern Wiccans "reverse" the construction, however, taking the
first part and putting it after the second to read: "Do what ye will an
it harm none," or in modern English "Do what you want if it doesn't harm
anyone."
Many people give the word "an" or "if" a value of "so long as" - which
is acceptable substitution, because it doesn't alter the meaning of the
Rede itself. However they then proceed to read "so long as" as "only
if," and that is completely different, because the Rede has ceased to be
a "wise counsel" [anyone checked the meaning of "rede" in the dictionary
lately?] and become an injunction: prohibitive commandment, rather than
permissive advice.
In other words, the original archaic construction actually says "if it
is not going to hurt anyone, it is ok to do" - this is not the same as
"if it hurts anyone it is not ok to do."
What is the significance of the change? A larger one than you might see,
at first glance.
The "actual construction Rede," or AC Rede, says it is ok to do
something that won't harm anyone, but it does not say anything about
those things which do cause harm, except to set an ethical standard of
harmlessness as the criteria to judge by.
The "modern reconstruction Rede" or MR Rede, explicitly says that any
and all actions that cause harm are forbidden.
The two constructions do not mean the same thing at all. And it should
be obvious that this has implications on our thinking, and discussions
of the possibility of "obeying" the Rede.
Most of you will have heard or read, as I have, people saying the Rede
is something to strive to live by, even though mundane reality makes it
very difficult, if not impossible, to do so to the letter. This is only
true of the MR Rede, not the AC Rede! As examples, they cite situations
such as self-defense; this violates the MR Rede. Period. But it does not
violate the AC Rede. Period.
Earlier, I stated that the AC Rede does not rule on actions that do
cause harm - and this is true. It only rules on those actions which do
not, by saying that they are acceptable. This is relevant to "victimless
crimes" for example - civil "crimes" may in fact be "ethical," by the
judgment of the AC Rede.
What the AC Rede does do, in terms of actions that cause harm, is state
an ethical value by which an individual must judge the results of
her/his actions before acting. In other words, by stating that a
harmless action is ethical, the AC Rede sets harmlessness as the
criteria for evaluation. Acting to prevent greater harm - but in the
process causing lesser harm - may then be ethical, if there is no
harmless, or more harmless, method of preventing that greater harm -
because not acting to prevent harm is to cause it, by an act of omission
rather than commission.
In short the difference between the AC Rede, and the MR Rede, is that
the AC Rede is a perfectly-obeyable ethical standard, but the MR Rede is
not, as so many people have pointed out. Do we take as our ethical
standard a "counsel" which can be obeyed, or one which necessitates
rationalizing in some instances? Which is truer to the Wicca, and to the
real Rede?
"rede: n. [Middle English rede < Old English raed < base of raedan, to
interpret] Archaic]
1. counsel; advice 2. a plan; scheme 3. a story; tale 4. an
interpretation"
(from Webster's New World Dictionary)
II. "Do good, an it be safe..." (from the Ordains)
The MR Rede is the most common interpretation in Wicca today; so much
so, that not only do many Wiccans not realize there's a difference in
the two constructions, but they deny it when it is pointed out to them,
holding firmly to the MR Rede as what the original has always meant.
At first the change of language was only an attempt to bring the
language up from archaic, to modern English; but in doing so -
especially with the public relations campaign, to convince people that
Wiccans are "not black magick/not devil worship/not evil nasty
curse-casters" the "harmlessness" aspect of the Rede was stressed, over
the personal responsibility aspect. And in essence Wiccans became the
victims of their own PR campaign.
An additional result is the injunction that one may never work magick
for others, even to heal, without their knowledge and consent. Of
course, we are allowed by this injunction to ask "Can I pray for you?"
as a means of obtaining the consent. From "a love spell aimed at one
particular person is unethical because it violates their will only to
serve our lust" we've moved to an extreme: to the prohibitive injunction
against ever doing any magick for another without permission, since it
violates their free will. Does anyone really believe the Gods will judge
them ill, for attempting to heal someone?
What of the case of an unconscious accident victim and family
unavailable to ask - are we forbidden to work? No, of course we're not -
but we do have to accept the karmic consequences of such acts. Do you
really think that a neurotic who uses an illness as a crutch wouldn't be
better healed of that neurosis as well as the illness? Of course that
may call up some karma if the person isn't strong enough to give up that
crutch yet. Once again the real criteria is personal responsibility and
consideration of the consequences of one's actions before one acts
rather than the "thou shalt not" prohibitive commandment.
There is however another reason for the "prohibitive form" of these
redes - one which has some validity. The teacher bears a karmic
responsibility for the student. There was a group whose teaching was,
"No magick may be done for another, even to heal, without their consent;
any exceptions may be decided only by the High Priestess and the High
Priest." The point of this is that a student is not yet experienced
enough, not yet wise enough (since wisdom is the harvest we reap of our
experience and knowledge), to have that kind of decision, and the
resulting karmic burden, left to rest fully upon her/his shoulders -
hence, some teachers and some Trads do not allow neophytes to have
responsibility for that kind of decision-making.
It is far better, however, to teach a student the essential importance
of personal responsibility, the need to look ahead for possible
consequences before they act, than to lay "thou shalt not's" upon them
despite Wicca's insistance that we have none.
* * * *
After reading that, here's what someone in that Group ("Tilly") replied
to that:
Okay Gaia, I think I FINALLY get it. The Rede, in its original
form suggests that if an action or inaction doesn’t harm anyone,
then go for it. It does NOT say... IF your action or inaction DOES
harm, you should NOT do it. Am I close? This has always confused
me, mostly because of my ingrained and indoctrinated Xtian history. I
wanted to be a “good†little witch and never harm or do
anything unchristianlike. I’ve gotten over it. I embrace the
concept of a witch who cannot hex, cannot heal. I understand that does
NOT make me a bad person. Do I go around hexing people who irk me?
Ummm, no! Most things are not my business and I also embrace
“Live and let live.†Two years ago I had heated
debates here (very enjoyable discussions) with O about whether
it’s okay to curse or hex. Obviously, she won *wink*. So,
back to the Rede. Am I kinda close on this one? lol. Something
clicked when I read your last post, so I think I’m on the right
track as least. Peace, Tilly
And i answered with this:
GAIA:
RIGHT ON THE BUTTON! <*g*>
Exactly!
I know it takes a while to "get" because we've heard (and are so used to
hearing) so many mis-interpretations and mis-representations, it can
take a while to "kick in" --
That's why i repeat this so frequently.....I don't mean to annoy, but
rather to get people *thinking* beyond the "indoctrination" that is so
prevalent.....
Thanks so much for making that effort worthwhile! <*smile*>
Blessings -
~Gaia
hope that helps!
Blessings - Gaia
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