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[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4793

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A day in the Hills From: Dominica
2a.
Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!! From: Leif Njordsson
2b.
Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!! From: David Garland
3a.
Re: wiccan bible From: lughna
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Geelong Pagans at the Pub, 8/7/2011, 1:00 pm From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
5a.
Psychic Development Circle, 8/3/2011, 7:00 pm From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com

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A day in the Hills

Posted by: "Dominica" gilligantor@yahoo.com.au   xxxxxxminkaxxxxxx

Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:12 pm (PDT)



Hey all!

Celtic Discussion group at the Ladyhawke Cafe is on today. Come along at 2pm if you feel like enjoying the Dandenongs (Vic) in the sun. Its going to be great!

Minka

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Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Posted by: "Leif Njordsson" godhi@elderway.org   woodhenge_aust

Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:14 pm (PDT)



G'day Bill,

Good thoughts, I do not think that the majority in society have made up
their minds what they expect the role of prisons to be. There is a
significant section of society which sees the role of a prison as
punishment/revenge. There is a much smaller section of society which
sees prison as having a primary rehabilitative function. The third
section sees prison as removing the person from the society that they
are apparently incompatible with. The 4th and largest section is a
confused mob who are not sure what they expect prisons to be - probably
a little bit of everything.

Because of this, the prison system is managed in a confused and chaotic
manner. The results and outcomes are less than is desirable and
recidivism is high. The end result of prison is that there are a lot of
angry, violated, poorly equipped people who are inevitably released into
a society which is not equipped to deal with them or willing to allow
them to "start again". It is no surprise that prison is considered to
be a "university" which breeds a disaffected underclass.

Wes Thu Hael

Leif

On 30/07/2011 7:27 AM, barbtrad wrote:
>
> Greetings Gary.
>
> Gee the old Fletcher/Ryan chestnut again! Reluctant though I am to
> jump on the bandwaggon; in fact I wont, I shall comment on your
> statements in a general sense not just regarding Fletcher.
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>, "Gary Quinton" <garyq@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > What you are asking for is tantamount to the death penalty.
> > If you believe that this person ought never be released, then he may
> as well have been shot upon conviction.
> > The purpose of jail ought not be revenge, or the extraction of pain
> - but removal from society until such time as the person can be
> rehabilitated and re-introduced to society. If you don't believe that
> is possible, then the prisoner should be executed to save his anguish
> and our $$.
>
> I agree in principal with the death penalty, my big reservation is the
> question of whether or not the criminal justice system has the
> capacity to decide reliably guilt or innocence. I agree with your
> premise about the ideal purpose of prisons...But we don't have an
> ideal world and rather than rehabilitate, all to often they harden the
> resolve of offenders to be enemies of society. (Hells Bells I guess I
> am an enemy of our society too.. Yet I don't feel the need to commit
> crimes to express this.. Have I just shot my own argument in the foot?)
>
> Is rehabilitation possible? Yes in some cases I believe it is, but in
> the majority..No Usually anyone who expresses even tacit support for
> the concept of a death penalty is accused of all sorts of things often
> the least of which is being incapable of compassion. But putting
> myself in the shoes of a person convicted (accurately) of some really
> bad act, do I want a soul destroying existence in a prison for what
> would seem like an eternity, or a quick release from what has most
> likely been a pretty crap life anyway and a hellish future? I know
> what my choice would be.
>
> Bill.
>
> >
> > It is enlightening to read on the Foreign Policy magazine website
> that Americns are calling for the Norway gunman to be nailed to a wall
> upside down, whereas the Norwegians are saying 'sorry, nothing would
> make us stoop to that level, it is enough that he has been captured.
> In 21 years we will assess the situation again'
> >
> > GaryQ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tish
> > Sent: 07/29/11 10:45 PM
> > To: witchesworkshop@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:witchesworkshop%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!
> >
> > Please tell me ........anyone..... how another 15 years would be
> excessive..sheesh!!! Tish Five years' control enough for paedophile,
> says judge Robin Fletcher is allowed into the general community only
> under tight supervision. Source: Herald Sun
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Posted by: "David Garland" paninc@optushome.com.au   djkgarland

Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:35 pm (PDT)



Hello Guys,

It is a well known fact that he has not been rehabilitated and he has openly, the whole time that he has been in goal/supervision claimed that he has done nothing wrong. It is widely alnowledged by the authorities and all of the staff that have dealt with him that if he is re-introduced to society he will reoffend.

It was reported that he was caught grooming children in Africa 5 or so years ago via the internet.

I am sure he would not get as much press as he does or as often as he does if he had not in his original trial claimed that what he did was a part of his religious practice as a Witch.

Where do you draw the line with this, if he is released I can guarentee he will be watched like a hawk and then we are ar rick of getting in trouble for doing that. But can anyone accept the risk of what he did happening again.

David

----- Original Message -----
From: Tish
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

No Gary I am simply asking that he should be simply heavily supervised
is all. Unfortunately if you read the statistics there far and few
between with pedophiles that they are ever *really* have been
rehabilitated
as they always seem to commit the same
obnoxious crime agian when released..

All I am sying is that he should be under strict supervision is all..
again this only my meek opinion is all..

Tish

-------Original Message-------

From: Gary Quinton
Date: 30/07/2011 2:03:48 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

What you are asking for is tantamount to the death penalty.
If you believe that this person ought never be released, then he may as well
have been shot upon conviction.
The purpose of jail ought not be revenge, or the extraction of pain - but
removal from society until such time as the person can be rehabilitated and
re-introduced to society. If you don't believe that is possible, then the
prisoner should be executed to save his anguish and our $$.

It is enlightening to read on the Foreign Policy magazine website that
Americns are calling for the Norway gunman to be nailed to a wall upside
down, whereas the Norwegians are saying 'sorry, nothing would make us stoop
to that level, it is enough that he has been captured. In 21 years we will
assess the situation again'

GaryQ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tish
Sent: 07/29/11 10:45 PM
To: witchesworkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Please tell me ........anyone..... how another 15 years would be excessive.
sheesh!!! Tish Five years' control enough for paedophile, says judge Robin
Fletcher is allowed into the general community only under tight supervision.
Source: Herald Sun

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Re: wiccan bible

Posted by: "lughna" lughna@gmail.com   lughna

Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:38 pm (PDT)



Hi lakotalady56,

There is no such thing as a 'wiccan bible' although there is a book called the Witches Bible by Janet and Stewart Farrar. Basically a comprehensive edition of a few of their select works.

My advice is if you want find out about Wicca read 'Wicca: Old religion for a new age' by Vivianne Crowley (ISBN: 978-0722532713) and if you are still interested in what is commonly referred to online as British Tradition Wicca join the group Amber and Jet, get yourself on a seekers list and read as much as you can.

BB,
Lughna.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "lakotalady56" <lakota-ladies-haven@...> wrote:
>
> were can I find a wiccan bible and spell book
>

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Geelong Pagans at the Pub, 8/7/2011, 1:00 pm

Posted by: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com" WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com

Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:56 pm (PDT)



Reminder from: WitchesWorkshop Yahoo! Group
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Geelong Pagans at the Pub
Sunday August 7, 2011
1:00 pm - 5:00 pm
(This event repeats every month on the first Sunday.)

Notes:
Meet at the front bar for an afternoon of laid-back conversation with friendly pagan folk.

Irish Murphy's serves good meals at decent prices, and has Guinness and Kilkenny on tap!

Contact Ryan on 0423 537 278 or artistryankendal@hotmail.com

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Psychic Development Circle, 8/3/2011, 7:00 pm

Posted by: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com" WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com

Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:55 am (PDT)



Reminder from: WitchesWorkshop Yahoo! Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WitchesWorkshop/cal

Psychic Development Circle
Wednesday August 3, 2011
7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
(This event repeats every month on the first Wednesday.)
Location: Dapto, NSW

Notes:
During our next workshop we will be exploring the use of herbs, essenses, sound, chanting, intention to both cleanse and create our sacred space.

Within these workshops the atmosphere is calm and protected, so you are free to explore your connections through meditation and practical techniques, in a safe environment.

Increase your knowledge of Meditation; Tarot; Oracle; Psychometry; Aura Reading; Dowsing; Sacred Space; Spirit Connection; Angels; Fairy and many other psychic energies and tools, at our monthly workshops running every month on the 1st Wednesday of the month at 7pm.

If you are interested in coming along to any of these Psychic Workshops or any other that we have running, please let me know either by calling/texting 042 020 8879 or emailing me at alison@shamanicspirit.com.au.

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