Messages In This Digest (3 Messages)
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- Good RESOURCES on WICCA: From: gaia_dianne
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- Re: ??on solitary elemental From: Roberta Dinnie
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- newby From: Starla
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Good RESOURCES on WICCA:
Posted by: "gaia_dianne" gaia_dianne@yahoo.com gaia_dianne
Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:21 pm (PDT)
GAIA:
Hello and Merry Meet, Everyone --
First, i'd like to say that it certainly can be difficult to find good,
reliable, authentic information, rather than the often garbled, confused
and confusing, sometimes MIS-information, that is often found
circulating about Paganism -- difficult, but not impossible.
I'm Wiccan, so i'm most familiar with that "angle" of things, and that's
how i'll approach this question, ok?
RESOURCES ON WICCA:
CoG - Covenant of the Goddess - http://www.cog.org <http://www.cog.org/ >
CoG is a national organization of (legally-recognized Wiccan "churches)
- Wiccan covens, clergy and solitaries -- with local "councils" in many
cities; providing general, basic information, links to resources, etc.
2. Circle Sanctuary - http://www.circlesanctuary.org
<http://www.circlesanctuary.org/ >
Circle is a Pagan (not just Wiccan) Sanctuary, working farm, and
learning center, offering training, workshops, festivals, networking,
etc.
3. Witchvox - http://www.witchvox.com <http://www.witchvox.com/ >
Witchvox is a wonderful resource that offers general, basic information,
referrals and links to local and regional resources.
5. Wicca For the Rest of Us http://wicca.timerift. net/
<http://wicca.timerift. > -net/
One of the better Pagan internet sites; lots of good information,
articles, resources, links, networking, etc.
4. "Beginning Wicca" Yahoo Group -
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/BeginningW icca/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/ >group/BeginningW icca/
- One of the better Yahoo groups with several High Priests and
Priestess members, so there are lots of good discussions and good
information.
5. BlueMoonWicca.org – http://bluemoonwicc a.org/classes. html
<http://bluemoonwicca.org/classes. >html
Classes on Traditional Wicca.
6. Religious Tolerance – Pages on Wicca:
http://www.religioustolerance. org/witchcra. htm
<http://www.religioustolerance. >org/witchcra. htm
Conflict Between Wiccans and Christians:
http://www.religioustolerance. org/wic_conf. htm
<http://www.religioustolerance. >org/wic_conf. htm
B. BOOKS:
1. Books And Authors To Avoid:
I don't want to be negative, but since these books tend to be very
popular (and often recommended by beginners who don't know better) I
thought it might be wise to include just a few words on which books
should be AVOIDED due to factual errors or ethical problems: (I can
provide more info on this, for anyone who requests it).
AVOID anything by:
1. Books and Authors To Avoid:
Before going any further, however, I want to give you a warning: There
are many books that are so-so (pretty good), there are some that are
excellent, and there are (too many!) that are crap. As you take this
Class, you will begin to be able to make better and better decisions,
faster, about which are which, as you check out the books for yourself
and compare what they say, with what you're learning in this Class.
I hate to be negative, but I do want to give you a warning right away:
Here are some that are considered among the worst (because of factual
errors, ethical problems, and more) by most experienced Wiccans, but
are rather popular (and often even recommended) by beginners who just
don't know any better.
AVOID Anything By:
1. Silver Ravenwolf – For more on this, please see the article:
"Silver Ravenwolf: Positive, Negative, Resources", at
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/Witch_ Essentials/ message/21193
<http://groups.yahoo.com/ >group/Witch_ Essentials/ message/21193
2. Douglas Monroe's "21 Lessons of Merlin" See
http://www.neopagan.net/21-Lessons. html
<http://www.neopagan.net/21-Lessons. >html
http://digitalmedievalist.com/ reviews/21- lessons/
<http://digitalmedievalist.com/ >reviews/21- lessons/
3. Kisma Stepanich – has been publically accused of Plagiarism /
Fraud: See
http://www.geocities.com/ferigold/ truthfaery/ index.html
<http://web.archive.org/web/20040513 >202257/www. geocities. com/ferigold/ tr\
uthfaery/index.html
http://www.backwash.com/content. php?jouid= 5256
<http://web.archive.org/web/20050219 >233009/www. backwash. com/content. php?\
jouid=5256
http://www.cyberwitch.com/wychwood/ library/WhenIsAC eltNotACelt. htm
<http://www.cyberwitch.com/wychwood/ >library/WhenIsAC eltNotACelt. htm
http://www.summerlands.com/crossroa ds/remembrance/ faery_wicca. htm
<http://www.summerlands.com/crossroa >ds/remembrance/ faery_wicca. htm
4. Edain McCoy –
http://www.stopedainmccoy.com/ ?page_id= 10
<http://www.stopedainmccoy.com/ >?page_id= 10
http://www.stopedainmccoy.com/ ?page_id= 14#response_ 5
<http://www.stopedainmccoy.com/ >?page_id= 14#response_ 5
5. Mary Summer Rain –
http://www.newagefraud.org/ <http://www.newagefraud.org/ >
OTHERS:
See for example, "Problematic Pagans", here:
http://www.outofthedark.com/ ProblematicPagan s/index.html
<http://www.outofthedark.com/ >ProblematicPagan s/index.html
2. On Scott Cunningham:
A few words on Scott Cunningham and his books, "Wicca: A Guide for the
Solitary Practitioner" and "Living Wicca":
Scott was a much-beloved, extremely prolific writer of Pagan and Wiccan
books and articles. He was Initiated into Gardnerian Wicca, but he
became (through writing his two major books, "Wicca; A Guide for the
Solitary Practitioner" and its companion volume, "Living Wicca' -- one
of the strongest proponents of non-initiatory, solitary and eclectic
"Neo-Wicca" (as opposed to "Traditional Wicca", which is generally
defined as "an initiatory, lineaged Path whose central Mysteries are
generally Oath-bound"). These two books had an extremely profound
effect upon Paganism in general and Wicca in particular, and are most
often recommended especially by beginners and "intermediate" students --
so i think it's important to note and discuss them a bit.
First, it's important to note that these two books were published back
in 1988, and 1993 -- just as Wicca was beginning to become somewhat
popular and generate a great deal of interest, but BEFORE there was a
lot of easily-available information on (Traditional) Wicca. Scott "hit"
it just right, and his book took off like crazy.
But (imo) it's crucial to realize that Scott was advocating a NEW Kind
of Wicca -- Until his publications, Wicca was a Mystery, Initiatory,
Lineaged Path, whose deepest, most profound principles and practices
were oath-bound and not available publically (they still are not, but
most beginners don't realize that). Scott wrote his books for the many
who were interested and he felt, deserved to have at least basic,
essential information, even if they were not able to hope for finding a
good teacher or Coven. HOWEVER -- and again, this is crucial: (many of
us feel that) Scott never intended that his book(s) should REPLACE
Traditional Wicca, or that those who COULD find good Covens and
teachers, would avoid or neglect doing so, in favor of this "Solitary"
and non-initiatory Wicca.
It's really beyond the scope of this brief essay to discuss in any
depth, the many reasons why Wicca is best (and was meant to be) properly
taught by experienced High Priests/ Priestesses, and learned and
practiced in a Coven -- for that, please let me know and i'll post a
Message addressing that directly.
But anyone who *avoids* being well-trained by a good, experienced and
well-trained High Priest/ess, or practicing within a Coven, does
themselves a huge DIS-service; they are extremely unlikely to experience
some of the most important, central, powerful and beautiful aspects of
Wicca.
I make such a point of stressing this, because as long as it is clear, i
feel in can legitimately recommend Cunningham's works in good
conscience.
3 . Good Book Resources On Wicca:
a. Ellen Cannon Reed's "The Heart of Wicca" --
http://www.amazon.com/Heart- Wicca-Wise- Words-Crone/ dp/1578631742
<http://www.amazon.com/Heart- >Wicca-Wise- Words-Crone/ dp/1578631742
NOTE: This is the very first and major book i would reccomend!
b. Starhawk's "The Spiral Dance",
c. Janet and Stewart Farrar's "The Witches Bible" -
d. Ray Buckland's "Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft" –
e. Gerald Gardner's "Witchcraft Today" and "The Meaning of Witchcraft"
Of course there are many, many other good books, and new ones coming out
all the time -- These are what might be considered "classics".
4. Finally, i thought i'd offer the following link to an article i
wrote on
"Getting Started In Wicca":
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/Witch_ Essentials/ message/17736
<http://groups.yahoo.com/ >group/Witch_ Essentials/ message/17736
I hope all of that is helpful -- Please don't hesitate to ask any
questions!
Blessed Be - Gaia
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Re: ??on solitary elemental
Posted by: "Roberta Dinnie" roberta.dinnie@three.com.au fowlsfeet
Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:21 pm (PDT)
Works for me.
Generally not too worried about the title.
Could also go for Solitary eclectic who works with elementals.
On 17/07/2011 11:45 PM, gaia_d wrote:
>
> Roberta said: > > I'm not Wiccan, just a Solitary Elemental.
>
>
> --- In Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups. , Roberta Dinniecom
> <roberta.dinnie@...> wrote:
> >
> > ;) Exactly what it sounds like.
> > I am a solitary and I use mainly elemental magic.
>
> GAIA:
>
> You certainly have every right to call yourself whatever you like --
>
> But i'd like to (respectfully) ask you to consider the following:
>
> DEFINITIONS FOR "ELMENTAL" and "ELEMENTALS":
>
> "A primitive non-human and nnon-material entity, of the nature of one
> of hte four Elements. The term is also used for a human thought-form
> which , spontaneously by strong emotion or deliberately by mental
> effort, is split off from its human originator and acqwuired temporary
> quasi-independent existence. "Created elementals" of the latter kind
> canbe given healing work to do, they are also sometimes used
> maliciously for psychic persecution."
>
> (Janet and Stewart Farrar, /"The Witches' Bible/", p 320)
>
> *Elemental- *A spirit formed of one of the elements. The 5 elementals
> are salamanders (fire), sylphs (air), undines (water), gnomes (earth),
> and spirit (akasha).
>
> (Pagan-Wiccan Dictionary, http://onespiritx.tripod.com/ dict05.htm
>
> * * * *
>
> *Elementals:* "Low-level spirits that personify the four ELEMENTS -
> EArth, Air, Fire and Water. The termalso is applied to Nature
> Spirits, which are said to exist in all things in nature, such as
> animals, insects, birds, roks and plants. Ruled by devas or
> archangels (called in modern Witchcraft the "Lords of the
> Watchtowers", the guardians or the MIghty Ones) elementals serve as
> the life force and may be summoned by withces to assist in magick,
> such as weather control...."
>
> (Rosemary Ellen Guiley, /"The Encyclopedia of Witches and Witchcraft"/
> p 111.)
>
> * * * *
>
> The *Elementals* are generally said to be:
>
> Earth - Gnomes
>
> Air - Sylphs
>
> Water - Undines
>
> Fire - Salamanders
>
> (for more on this, please see Starhawk's "/The Spiral Dance",/ Table
> of Correspondences, beginning on page 251)
>
> So, Perhaps you are a Solitary Practitioner who *works* with Elementals???
>
> Blessed Be - Gaia
>
>
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newby
Posted by: "Starla" starla1974@yahoo.com starla1974
Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:33 pm (PDT)
hi all just joined and thought ild check in hope this all gos well im kinda shy and a bad speller so please for give me for any later boofs smile,Along time ago I used to do reading but I quit because of some things that weregoing on. So I thought Ild like to see how things go know. But this place has a very nice energy to it. Thank you all. Hope to talk to you all.
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