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[13Witches] Digest Number 7152




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Messages In This Digest (10 Messages)

1a.
Re: Fun Friday--Funny But Wrong Exam Answers From: lady_diamond_light
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Re: Christine O'Donnell Angers Wiccan Community with "Witchcraft" Co From: Fran Wolfe-Johnson
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Re: From a Disheartened Lady N From: Carol Gradzewicz
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Re: From a Disheartened Lady N From: Disandra Rosemary
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Re: From a Disheartened Lady N From: PGreeneD@aol.com
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Re: From a Disheartened Lady N From: Erika Lobdell
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Re: From a Disheartened Lady N From: airmidceltic@ymail.com
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Re: Misty Morning What place was this taken From: Betty Ramberg
5.
Healing for earth, people and pets From: Dorrene Ross
6.
Hey, we're getting more mainstream From: Sidhe Wolf

Messages

1a.

Re: Fun Friday--Funny But Wrong Exam Answers

Posted by: "lady_diamond_light" urhere4u@yahoo.ca   lady_diamond_light

Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:59 am (PDT)



Very cute Lady N. Thanks for the chuckle!
Blessed be,
Lady Diamond Light

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2a.

Re: Christine O'Donnell Angers Wiccan Community with "Witchcraft" Co

Posted by: "Fran Wolfe-Johnson" tygermoonfoxx@gmail.com   tygermoonfoxx

Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:49 am (PDT)



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Carol <hawkshill13@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> Delaware's Republican Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell may have lost the Wiccan vote. O'Donnell's decade-old remarks about having "dabbled into witchcraft," which resurfaced on Friday, were ill-informed and disappointing, some in the pagan community have said.
>

I guess I'm a little odd, but I think that if I got upset every time
someone mentioned witchcraft in a context of which I did not approve
then I would be in a constant state of turmoil. In this case, I would
guess that 'dabbled into witchcraft' is probably accurate...meaning
she never was and never will be a pagan or a witch. In the longer
context the remarks seem to indicate that for a time she, like most
high school kids, went through an emotional phase in which dark
clothing, heavy silver jewelry with occult symbols on it, and shock
value were key.

*shrugs* It's how I ended up seriously involved in this path some
twenty-odd years ago...it just may not be for all folks.

We would also do well to remember that Satanism IS a legitimate form
of witchcraft, even if that is not the context in which it was
equated. Specifically, I know several fine upstanding members of the
local pagan community who are Setians and at least one individual, a
dear friend, who follows LaVey's teachings. I myself have to some
extent adopted some of the Satanic principles simply because they help
me not to be a doormat.

> "Whether she intends to do that or not as a way to try and get herself out of this political problem she has created for herself, the fact is America really needs to be a place where you can celebrate diversity and practice your religion without getting ridiculed or defamed," she said.
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I fundamentally disagree with that statement. When the first movies
--- good, bad, or otherwise --- came out utilizing witchcraft or Wicca
as a legitimate practice I rejoiced. The backhand references in shows
like "The Simpsons" and "King of the Hill" amuse me. Why? Because if
the religion is acknowledged as legitimate or mainstream, it will
inevitably be subject to jokes and satire.

Misunderstandings are easy to correct if one is not hostile about it.
Simply give them a straightforward, non-aggressive, simple expression
of the truth and be careful not to generalize:

"No, Wiccans don't practice animal sacrifice."
"Sorry, I really can't turn you into a frog."
"I have a code of ethics I follow which wouldn't allow me to do that...."

Ignorance causes fear and when we respond with hostility we lose a
chance to educate and correct the ignorance, keeping fear from ever
being rooted in the first place.

> For instance, O'Donnell said in her 1999 remarks that she went on a date at a Satanic altar as part of her experience with witchcraft.

She may have. The popularized La Vey variant of Satanic witchcraft
does involve the use of a female as the altar at times. If, as I
suspect, these were kids, they may not even have read La Vey and may
have been constructing their views from popular literature or
assumptions.

> "It's very hard to worship something you do not believe in and Satan is a Christian concept," Webb said. "Wiccans don't have Satanic altars."
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This is where I often have problems with the pagan community in
general. We're so anxious to make a good impression that we gloss over
the things which are less appealing. Satan is not specifically a
Christian concept; the Christians adapted the idea from much older
roots dating back to one of the oldest and earliest Mesopotamian
cultures. Satan --- which if you have actually read the Bible is
neither horned nor a monster --- has ties to Lucifer, who was at one
time Diana's consort and was once literally a devil's advocate: an
angel under the orders of their God to tempt His people in order to
try their faith and to teach them morality through the decisions they
made. He's a trickster god, like Loki (also known in various sagas as
the Lord of Lies, a title he shares with the biblical Satan). Because
I do not personally work with a pantheon that does not mean the
pantheon doesn't exist. We need to start thinking of Christianity as
a pantheon and stop denying the existence of its deities. Far more
accurate and less provoking to simply say we do not use the pantheon.

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  "Whenever the pressure of our complex city life thins my blood and
numbs my brain, I seek relief in the trail; and when I hear the coyote
wailing to the yellow dawn, my cares fall from me - I am happy."

-- Hamlin Garland

Fran Wolfe-Johnson (WalkerTXKitty)
FoxHeart Acres, FL

http://www.myhappyt rails.net

3a.

Re: From a Disheartened Lady N

Posted by: "Carol Gradzewicz" hawkshill13@yahoo.com   hawkshill13

Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:07 am (PDT)



Lady N., I get 13 Witches by digest and I just got your post. I want to let you know that I put up my last post before reading what you wrote. I too think it's great to be able to share ideas without it turning into a political battle. You made it clear from the very beginning that you didn't post the article for political reasons. It is amazing to me how almost immediately, politics became involved. Instead of uniting in protecting our beliefs, it became all about what party the person who made the comments came from. Personally, I find this very disturbing. I think the greatest thing individuals can do regardless of their religion or political affiliation is to learn to think for themselves. I truly hope that this group can return to what it once was. I am wishing peace and comfort for you and for the group.

BB,
Hawkshill

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Re: From a Disheartened Lady N

Posted by: "Disandra Rosemary" dissygroups@gmail.com   dissyrose

Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:44 pm (PDT)



MM Lady,

Thank YOU for this message! I have gotten in the habit of whenever politics
are being discussed of excusing myself from the conversation because of the
negative energy flying about. Unfortunately, that means I don't talk much
(either on groups or "in real life").

I'm utterly confused as to why this happened. Just a few short years ago,
people actually listened to one another and respecting another's opinion
even if they disagreed with it. I was surprised by the firestorm recently
here (yeah, I read but I don't post much, sorry about that). Maybe we
should get a dialogue going about this in the group? Maybe take what we
learn here to deal with this situation out into our everyday lives?

I'm not sure how to start this or even what questions need to be asked, but
the Lady is really on to something.

BB,

Disandra

From: 13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf
Of Lady Nightshayde

We used to be able to discuss anything on my groups, even respectfully
disagreeing, but, alas, that is not the case now. From a couple of recent
posts about Witchcraft in the news it is clear that we, and our nation, are
bitterly divided by politics. What an irony that we, as Pagans, are at a
disadvantage when it comes to religion, but let party lines divide us. I
would like for the mods and members to be able to post something of interest
to us as Pagans/Wiccans, etc. that doesn't cause a firestorm throughout the
group. Is it possible to just post something for it's own sake instead of
letting our political leanings color our responses? Think about it.

3c.

Re: From a Disheartened Lady N

Posted by: "PGreeneD@aol.com" PGreeneD@aol.com   spiderdragon1

Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:45 pm (PDT)



I am pretty much a lurker in not only this group but others that I also
belong to and most of the reason is the bitter angry toned debates. I have a
personal friend that I always could discuss anything and everything with
and the past few months we can't discuss anything of a
social/political/ religious nature. I suddenly see a bitter and angry person that I am not sure
that I really consider a true friend anymore. I avoid all conversations in
these areas. My point is that it is not just this group that this is
happening in. I personally find my delete button works when I get tired of the
arguing or get fed up with the harassing of one another. I really feel
for the moderators of this group and other groups that try to get people to
back off and get back on track. All of us around the world need to realize
that we don't always share the same view points and there is no reason to
get angry at someone else because of a difference of opinion. My piece has
been said.

BB, Spiderdragon
aka Patricia G


In a message dated 9/24/2010 5:44:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dissygroups@ gmail.com writes:

MM Lady,
Thank YOU for this message! I have gotten in the habit of whenever
politics are being discussed of excusing myself from the conversation because of
the negative energy flying about. Unfortunately, that means I don’t talk
much (either on groups or “in real life�).



3d.

Re: From a Disheartened Lady N

Posted by: "Erika Lobdell" erikalobdell@gmail.com   erikalobdell

Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:29 pm (PDT)



I've noticed it too and sadly I've lately found myself feeling more
quick to react to things with anger and intolerance, find myself
taking the bait or more often tempted to anyway, and sometimes have to
just turn away because of my own negativity and it's worrisome to me
as it's different from how I've been for most of my life. I don't
like myself this way. I cant even seem to meditate it away for long
tho (and massages havent helped much either! ;)) TMI, I know.

But I wonder if others are noticing themselves feeling anything
similar-just SO fed up with so many things that maybe it's coming out
more in our posts? I've noticed it at work too. People seem better
informed which is good, but so many seem so bitter, cynical,
mistrusting and hypervigilant. What do others think? Has anyone else
noticed this? Just wondering...
Erika

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:45 PM, PGreeneD@aol. com wrote:

> I am pretty much a lurker in not only this group but others that I
> also belong to and most of the reason is the bitter angry toned
> debates. I have a personal friend that I always could discuss
> anything and everything with and the past few months we can't
> discuss anything of a social/political/ religious nature. I suddenly
> see a bitter and angry person that I am not sure that I really
> consider a true friend anymore. I avoid all conversations in these
> areas. My point is that it is not just this group that this is
> happening in. I personally find my delete button works when I get
> tired of the arguing or get fed up with the harassing of one
> another. I really feel for the moderators of this group and other
> groups that try to get people to back off and get back on track.
> All of us around the world need to realize that we don't always
> share the same view points and there is no reason to get angry at
> someone else because of a difference of opinion. My piece has been
> said.
>
> BB, Spiderdragon
> aka Patricia G
>
> In a message dated 9/24/2010 5:44:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dissygroups@ gmail.com
> writes:
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> MM Lady,
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> Thank YOU for this message! I have gotten in the habit of whenever
> politics are being discussed of excusing myself from the
> conversation because of the negative energy flying about.
> Unfortunately, that means I don’t talk much (either on groups or
> “in real life�).
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3e.

Re: From a Disheartened Lady N

Posted by: "airmidceltic@ymail.com" airmidceltic@ymail.com   airmidceltic@ymail.com

Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:26 pm (PDT)



I thought it was menapause? Seems like a massive psychic attack if that's possible.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Erika Lobdell <erikalobdell@ gmail.com>
Sender: 13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:28:57
To: 13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com<13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com>
Reply-To: 13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: [13Witches] From a Disheartened Lady N

I've noticed it too and sadly I've lately found myself feeling more
quick to react to things with anger and intolerance, find myself
taking the bait or more often tempted to anyway, and sometimes have to
just turn away because of my own negativity and it's worrisome to me
as it's different from how I've been for most of my life. I don't
like myself this way. I cant even seem to meditate it away for long
tho (and massages havent helped much either! ;)) TMI, I know.

But I wonder if others are noticing themselves feeling anything
similar-just SO fed up with so many things that maybe it's coming out
more in our posts? I've noticed it at work too. People seem better
informed which is good, but so many seem so bitter, cynical,
mistrusting and hypervigilant. What do others think? Has anyone else
noticed this? Just wondering...
Erika

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:45 PM, PGreeneD@aol. com wrote:

> I am pretty much a lurker in not only this group but others that I
> also belong to and most of the reason is the bitter angry toned
> debates. I have a personal friend that I always could discuss
> anything and everything with and the past few months we can't
> discuss anything of a social/political/ religious nature. I suddenly
> see a bitter and angry person that I am not sure that I really
> consider a true friend anymore. I avoid all conversations in these
> areas. My point is that it is not just this group that this is
> happening in. I personally find my delete button works when I get
> tired of the arguing or get fed up with the harassing of one
> another. I really feel for the moderators of this group and other
> groups that try to get people to back off and get back on track.
> All of us around the world need to realize that we don't always
> share the same view points and there is no reason to get angry at
> someone else because of a difference of opinion. My piece has been
> said.
>
> BB, Spiderdragon
> aka Patricia G
>
> In a message dated 9/24/2010 5:44:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dissygroups@ gmail.com
> writes:
>
> MM Lady,
>
> Thank YOU for this message! I have gotten in the habit of whenever
> politics are being discussed of excusing myself from the
> conversation because of the negative energy flying about.
> Unfortunately, that means I don’t talk much (either on groups or
> “in real life�).
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4a.

Re: Misty Morning What place was this taken

Posted by: "Betty Ramberg" brighid2010@yahoo.com   brighid2010

Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:29 am (PDT)



Greetings,
Can you tell me where this beautiful picture was taken?
Peace,
Brighid 

--- On Thu, 9/23/10, Lady Nightshayde <LadyNightshayde9@ aol.com> wrote:

From: Lady Nightshayde <LadyNightshayde9@ aol.com>
Subject: [13Witches] Misty Morning
To: 13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 5:14 AM

Love Each Day,
Lady Nightshayde

5.

Healing for earth, people and pets

Posted by: "Dorrene Ross" petsandprana@yahoo.com   f650_1997

Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:35 pm (PDT)



Dear all,

I am new to this group but feel connected through my love of nature, the spirit
and animal world. I am a student of energy healing with my main focus on helping
my pets but I would love to expand out and reach others.  Pranic Healing is much
like Reiki but better sutied for my work as it is not hands on and we are taught
to allow outside energy to flow through us instead using our prana (energy).  We
always remove dirty, negative, or diseased energy then energize with good clean
stuff. :)

I would like to let everyone know that my teachers will be coming to Stanford
University. They will be holding an Introduction to Pranic Healing tomorrow
evening, Saturday Sept. 25th, at 5PM on campus.  This is all free! Come to 452
Lomita Mall, room 102/103.

My teachers will return on Oct 9 and 10.  They will be teaching a Basic Pranic
Healing class and an Advanced Pranic Healing class these two days.  I would be
happy to provide addition information upon request.

Abundant Blessings to my fellow healers.

Dorrene

6.

Hey, we're getting more mainstream

Posted by: "Sidhe Wolf" sidhefaolchu@gmail.com   mikisidhewolf

Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:05 am (PDT)



Look what was quoted in a well known recipe ezine/website! (WorldWide
Recipes). This 'Last Morsel' is the final column at the close of each issue
after the recipe, humour, and other portions. Worth subscribing in any case
for anyone who either likes to cook, or hates to and needs some inspiration.
;)

THE LAST MORSEL
Barbara Forsythe, Editor
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

Sprinkle sesame seeds, an all-around prosperity food, on greens
to greatly improve your income and increase your happiness.
The seeds are also used in fertility rites to increase male sperm
count and in sex spells to reach ecstatic states. Burn 'black
sesame seeds' to dispel evil and nightmares. After having a bad
dream or whenever you feel negative energy in the home, take
a spoonful of black sesame seeds and cradle them in a piece
of tinfoil fashioned into a small bowl or cup shape. Place the foil
directly over the burner on the stove. (Gas is best but electric
will work, too.) Turn up the heat until the sesame seeds begin
to smoke. Continue heating until they catch on fire. Once the
seeds are on fire, turn off the heat and let them burn until they
extinguish. This blesses the home and removes bad vibes. It is
also traditional to burn them in a pot that can be carried around
through all the rooms of the home and to pass the smoking pot
around an individual to cleanse and protect him or her.
Lexa Roséan, from "The Encyclopedia of Magickal Ingredients"
<http://www.amazon. com/exec/ obidos/ASIN/ 1416501584/ thelastmorsel- 20>
..._________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____
SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change your email address, go
to http://www.wwrecipe s.com/contact. htm

Going to their Amazon link, it was purely wiccan books offered, so the lady
was aware of what she was taking for her column. Cool, huh?

Miki
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