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1a.

Re: Hey, we're getting more mainstream

Posted by: "LadyHawk_Jax" ladyhawk_jax@yahoo.com   ladyhawk_jax

Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:58 am (PDT)



yep.... it would seem so!

Love, Light and Abundant Blessings,
LadyHawk
 
 
 

--- On Sat, 9/25/10, Sidhe Wolf <sidhefaolchu@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sidhe Wolf <sidhefaolchu@ gmail.com>
Subject: [13Witches] Hey, we're getting more mainstream
To: "13witches" <13Witches@yahoogrou ps.com>, WhisperingWitches@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 5:05 AM

 

Look what was quoted in a well known recipe ezine/website! 

2a.

Re: From a Disheartened Lady N /Erika

Posted by: "Carol Gradzewicz" hawkshill13@yahoo.com   hawkshill13

Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:05 am (PDT)



I definitely can relate to how you have been feeling. It does seem to be some sort of trend. Maybe it's because there is so much uncertainty with the economy, environment and worldly affairs. I realize that it hasn't taken much to provoke my anger lately. I have felt such overwhelming frustration that I haven't been able to keep quiet about it. I really do hate to see this type of quarreling among Pagans, even though I too have done my share of arguing.
Words can't express how grateful I am to you for asking this question because it has caused me to do some serious introspection. I can't answer for anyone but myself, but there are some things that I have discovered. Firstly, I think I've become too complacent in my beliefs. None of us ever "arrive" spiritually. We have to connect and work on it on a daily basis. I think I had fallen into a routine and there wasn't real meaning or light behind it anymore. I can't afford to become stagnant in spiritual matters since everything in my life is connected to it. You know, I'd lost touch with one of the basic principles of my path--'live and let live.' This means more than not having to proselytize to other faiths. It is applicable in almost every area of life.
Also, I think I have become detached from my center and therefore detached from peace. I have done some internal adjustments and am determined to move forward with new awareness. If it weren't for your question, who knows how long I would have gone before taking a giant step back and looking at things. Considering your challenge made me take on personal responsibility. I was going along thinking that it was others who had the problem, without realizing how bloody my own hands were. Also, I have recognized how far I have moved away from my true character. In actuality, I am a peace lover at heart. It is against my nature to create dissension or pass judgment and that is exactly what I've been guilty of. Having made these discoveries, my inner most desire is to get back to my roots and to move beyond this ugliness. It is important to me to live my spirituality and not just talk about it. Bless you, bless you for helping me to see all this. It was your
inquiry that demanded serious investigation on my part.

Namaste,
Hawkshill

2b.

Re: From a Disheartened Lady N /Erika

Posted by: "Erika Lobdell" erikalobdell@gmail.com   erikalobdell

Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:14 am (PDT)



I'm glad my question was helpful for you! I've been quietly
struggling with some of those things myself and not liking who I've
seemed to become. Somehow putting it in writing and "out there" by
way of acknowledgment has helped me a bit...maybe made it more 'real'
in a way, (altho it was just as real before) or something but just
since admitting it 'out loud' has helped to dissipate it in me in a
way that all my inside work has not so asking the question was helpful
for BOTH of us and that's a really good thing.

Blessings-
Erika

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Carol Gradzewicz <hawkshill13@ yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I definitely can relate to how you have been feeling. It does seem
> to be some sort of trend. Maybe it's because there is so much
> uncertainty with the economy, environment and worldly affairs. I
> realize that it hasn't taken much to provoke my anger lately. I have
> felt such overwhelming frustration that I haven't been able to keep
> quiet about it. I really do hate to see this type of quarreling
> among Pagans, even though I too have done my share of arguing.
> Words can't express how grateful I am to you for asking this
> question because it has caused me to do some serious introspection.
> I can't answer for anyone but myself, but there are some things that
> I have discovered. Firstly, I think I've become too complacent in my
> beliefs. None of us ever "arrive" spiritually. We have to connect
> and work on it on a daily basis. I think I had fallen into a routine
> and there wasn't real meaning or light behind it anymore. I can't
> afford to become stagnant in spiritual matters since everything in
> my life is connected to it. You know, I'd lost touch with one of the
> basic principles of my path--'live and let live.' This means more
> than not having to proselytize to other faiths. It is applicable in
> almost every area of life.
> Also, I think I have become detached from my center and therefore
> detached from peace. I have done some internal adjustments and am
> determined to move forward with new awareness. If it weren't for
> your question, who knows how long I would have gone before taking a
> giant step back and looking at things. Considering your challenge
> made me take on personal responsibility. I was going along thinking
> that it was others who had the problem, without realizing how bloody
> my own hands were. Also, I have recognized how far I have moved away
> from my true character. In actuality, I am a peace lover at heart.
> It is against my nature to create dissension or pass judgment and
> that is exactly what I've been guilty of. Having made these
> discoveries, my inner most desire is to get back to my roots and to
> move beyond this ugliness. It is important to me to live my
> spirituality and not just talk about it. Bless you, bless you for
> helping me to see all this. It was your
> inquiry that demanded serious investigation on my part.
>
> Namaste,
> Hawkshill
>
>
3a.

Re: Christine O'Donnell Angers Wiccan Community with "Witchcraft" Co

Posted by: "Gaelyhn" gaelyhn.cato@gmail.com   gaelyhn

Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:55 pm (PDT)



The poor demented soul! She knows nothing of what she speaks! I watched
the latest rant which is actually a rehash of something she said a while
back and I was stunned at how stupid she really is! Well, maybe that's too
harsh, let's just say naive. NO, stupid is the right word.

Gaelyhn

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Fran Wolfe-Johnson <tygermoonfoxx@ gmail.com
> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Carol <hawkshill13@ yahoo.com<hawkshill13% 40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
> > Delaware's Republican Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell may have lost
> the Wiccan vote. O'Donnell's decade-old remarks about having "dabbled into
> witchcraft," which resurfaced on Friday, were ill-informed and
> disappointing, some in the pagan community have said.
> >
>
> I guess I'm a little odd, but I think that if I got upset every time
> someone mentioned witchcraft in a context of which I did not approve
> then I would be in a constant state of turmoil. In this case, I would
> guess that 'dabbled into witchcraft' is probably accurate...meaning
> she never was and never will be a pagan or a witch. In the longer
> context the remarks seem to indicate that for a time she, like most
> high school kids, went through an emotional phase in which dark
> clothing, heavy silver jewelry with occult symbols on it, and shock
> value were key.
>
> *shrugs* It's how I ended up seriously involved in this path some
> twenty-odd years ago...it just may not be for all folks.
>
> We would also do well to remember that Satanism IS a legitimate form
> of witchcraft, even if that is not the context in which it was
> equated. Specifically, I know several fine upstanding members of the
> local pagan community who are Setians and at least one individual, a
> dear friend, who follows LaVey's teachings. I myself have to some
> extent adopted some of the Satanic principles simply because they help
> me not to be a doormat.
>
>
> > "Whether she intends to do that or not as a way to try and get herself
> out of this political problem she has created for herself, the fact is
> America really needs to be a place where you can celebrate diversity and
> practice your religion without getting ridiculed or defamed," she said.
> >
>
> I fundamentally disagree with that statement. When the first movies
> --- good, bad, or otherwise --- came out utilizing witchcraft or Wicca
> as a legitimate practice I rejoiced. The backhand references in shows
> like "The Simpsons" and "King of the Hill" amuse me. Why? Because if
> the religion is acknowledged as legitimate or mainstream, it will
> inevitably be subject to jokes and satire.
>
> Misunderstandings are easy to correct if one is not hostile about it.
> Simply give them a straightforward, non-aggressive, simple expression
> of the truth and be careful not to generalize:
>
> "No, Wiccans don't practice animal sacrifice."
> "Sorry, I really can't turn you into a frog."
> "I have a code of ethics I follow which wouldn't allow me to do that...."
>
> Ignorance causes fear and when we respond with hostility we lose a
> chance to educate and correct the ignorance, keeping fear from ever
> being rooted in the first place.
>
>
> > For instance, O'Donnell said in her 1999 remarks that she went on a date
> at a Satanic altar as part of her experience with witchcraft.
>
> She may have. The popularized La Vey variant of Satanic witchcraft
> does involve the use of a female as the altar at times. If, as I
> suspect, these were kids, they may not even have read La Vey and may
> have been constructing their views from popular literature or
> assumptions.
>
>
> > "It's very hard to worship something you do not believe in and Satan is a
> Christian concept," Webb said. "Wiccans don't have Satanic altars."
> >
>
> This is where I often have problems with the pagan community in
> general. We're so anxious to make a good impression that we gloss over
> the things which are less appealing. Satan is not specifically a
> Christian concept; the Christians adapted the idea from much older
> roots dating back to one of the oldest and earliest Mesopotamian
> cultures. Satan --- which if you have actually read the Bible is
> neither horned nor a monster --- has ties to Lucifer, who was at one
> time Diana's consort and was once literally a devil's advocate: an
> angel under the orders of their God to tempt His people in order to
> try their faith and to teach them morality through the decisions they
> made. He's a trickster god, like Loki (also known in various sagas as
> the Lord of Lies, a title he shares with the biblical Satan). Because
> I do not personally work with a pantheon that does not mean the
> pantheon doesn't exist. We need to start thinking of Christianity as
> a pantheon and stop denying the existence of its deities. Far more
> accurate and less provoking to simply say we do not use the pantheon.
>
> --
> "Whenever the pressure of our complex city life thins my blood and
> numbs my brain, I seek relief in the trail; and when I hear the coyote
> wailing to the yellow dawn, my cares fall from me - I am happy."
>
> -- Hamlin Garland
>
> Fran Wolfe-Johnson (WalkerTXKitty)
> FoxHeart Acres, FL
>
> http://www.myhappyt rails.net
>
>
>
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Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:56 pm (PDT)



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