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[which_witch_is_witch] Digest Number 4508

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1.1.

Re: (unknown)

Posted by: "Katrina" katrina.ragozy@gmail.com   kala_astrid

Sat Oct 9, 2010 2:04 am (PDT)



Same here Don. If all there is in the post is a link, I don't bother
clicking on it. If any posts show up from me without my signatures, a
subject, or anything else, I didn't send them.

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The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong.
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Time may heal all wounds but the scars remain forever.


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From: Don Wildgrube

Is this spam?? I won't open anything when there no information about it and
the person posting hasn't been posting before.
No thanks, Don
2.1.

This week's Moonscopes

Posted by: "Ash" mhc4sure@yahoo.com   mhc4sure

Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:18 am (PDT)



         




This Week's Moonscopes Forecast


For the week
of October 10 to October 16
(Missed last
week's forecast? Here it
is.)

Sunday(*v/c-pm): the Moon is in
Scorpio

Venus and Mars are lined up with each other in Scorpio and
also with the Moon. Passion and desire could run pretty high. Venus
loves love and Mars likes to heat thing up. If love is not currently in the picture, then desires in other areas
could make themselves known. Avoid making commitments on Sunday afternoon since
the Moon is void-of-course (v/c) at that time.

Sunday evening,
Monday, Tuesday: the Moon is in
Sagittarius
Whenever
something prominent like the Moon goes through this sign, there is a tendency to
wonder and wander, either figuratively or literally (Sagittarius likes to
broaden horizons). And since the Moon theoretically goes through each of the
twelve signs during one month, about once every thirty days or so we derive
pleasure from considering things outside of our own little corner of the
world. 

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday(v/c-am): the Moon
is in Capricorn

Saturn, the planet that rules (is in charge of
or is associated with) the sign Capricorn, is currently in the sign of its
highest level of energy - Libra and is therefore in a position of exaltation.
This raises the level of the current Moon in Capricorn to another position as
well. So instead of getting the usual serious, get down to business message that
often comes when the Moon is in this sign, we are receiving an astrological missive
via Saturn to review our successes and enjoy our accomplishments. This is an
especially good time to acknowledge situations in which we employed our honesty
and fairness. 

Friday pm, Saturday: the Moon is in
Aquarius

A classic summation of Aquarian energy is - marching to
the beat of a different drummer. How does your own drumbeat fit in or not fit in
with the rank & file, as the case may be? Maybe yes sometimes and maybe no
at other times? Completely on the offbeat or always right in step and in line?

Check your astrology chart to find which
house (section of your chart) has the current Moon sign on the cusp (the
beginning edge) & apply Forecast information to that area of your life as
well. 
For example, the Moon is in Leo
and one of the suggestions is to entertain - however Leo is located in the
12th house of your chart, which is an inward energy place...then have a small,
quiet gathering. By contrast, if Leo is located in the 1st house of your chart,
an outward energy place...have a party! Don't have an
astrology chart? Click here
.

It is
interesting to note
when the current Moon is in the same sign as your birth Moon and to see how the
flavor of that day carries through the next 30 days.


Current Planet
Positions:
Sun
- Libra, until Oct. 24
Mercury - Libra, until Oct.
21

Venus - Scorpio, until
Jan. 8, 2011

(Libra, Nov. 8-29)
Mars - Scorpio, until Oct. 28
Jupiter - Pisces,
until Jan. 23, 2011

Saturn - Libra,
until Oct. 6, 2012
Uranus - Pisces, until Mar. 12, 2011

Neptune - Aquarius,
until Feb. 4, 2012
Pluto - Capricorn,
until Nov. 20, 2024

Current
Asteroid Positions:
Ceres - Capricorn, until Jan. 4, 2011

Pallas - Sagittarius,

until Dec. 21
Juno
- Virgo, until July 28, 2011
Vesta - Scorpio,
until Dec. 4 

Chiron - Aquarius,
until Feb. 18, 2011


Current
Asteroid Transits:

Ceres - Responsibility illustrated with a nurturing
attitude.

Pallas
- Broaden skill and information
bases. 
Juno - State
clearly what you want in a personal partnership.    
Vesta - Deep
devotion that is often private.
Chiron - Regeneration
comes in unusual forms.

Note: Timeframes for Moon signs,
void-of-course periods, and current planet & asteroid positions are
noted for Eastern time zone (USA). Please adjust according to your own
location.
Times are not given if the void-of-course Moon occurs for a very short
period or if it occurs during the night
(based on same Eastern time zone).


* v/c =

Void-of-Course
-

When the Moon is void-of-course, spend time working on projects
already in progress, creative endeavors, or self-improvement.
Void-of-course simply means that no planets are aspecting the
Moon as it gets ready to change
signs. It's best not to
start new projects, sign important agreements, or go shopping when the
Moon is void-of-course because the result will probably be
unsatisfactory in some way.

** Mercury  Retrograde - the speed of the
planet slows down considerably. Communications, paperwork, electronics, and
traffic can become very mixed-up or delayed during this time. A
situation will be in the process of changing, so wait until Mercury is direct to
finalize anything. In general, maintain a slower, more cautious pace in
daily affairs. Always allow at least two days before (to slow down) and after (to resume regular
activities) a Mercury retrograde period.


Read More about Mercury Retrograde here

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3.

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Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:55 am (PDT)





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4a.

Power Animal of the Day: Polar Bear

Posted by: "Ash" mhc4sure@yahoo.com   mhc4sure

Sat Oct 9, 2010 6:08 am (PDT)



http://www.poweranimalsunleashed.com/power_animal_028polarbear.htm

The Polar Bear

Strength         
Perseverance          Insulation

Take
a deep breath and let the spirit of the polar bear fill you. 

Click here to Listen to the Polar Bear's Song.

 

The polar
bear is enormously strong and full of courage.  He will help you stand up to the
challenges of life,
so you are never
overwhelmed, no matter how large the challenges are. 
For you are the polar bear, and you do not back down. 

 

The polar
bear will also teach you to thrive in environments that may be hostile to
others.  He will give you powerful insulation, so that you are always safe and
sound, no matter what is around you.  While others are losing strength and
power, you will just breathe in deeply and pull warm polar bear energy around
you and within you.

 

With polar
bear energy within you, you will have the strength and perseverance to handle
any challenges that life brings to you, no matter how great.  Just breathe
in polar bear energy and you will be filled with self-belief; you will know that
you are everything you need to be.   

 

The polar
bear is also a master at camouflage.  When you need to disappear into yourself
and find peace for a moment, just close your eyes and cover your nose and you
will disappear for a time.  Then, rested and rejuvenated, spring to life, full
of enough energy to cross the arctic ices.  After all, you are the polar bear
and power is yours.

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5a.

Quado's Garden: It Is All Inside You

Posted by: "Ash" mhc4sure@yahoo.com   mhc4sure

Sat Oct 9, 2010 6:18 am (PDT)



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It is
All Inside You

 Everything
in your life will become easier when you make your choices from your center of
truth and rightness rather than from your emotions.  And by emotions, I mean
excitement and anticipation as well as fear and anger.  All emotions are
responses to expectations and your heart of rightness has no expectations.

 In
your center of truth and integrity, there is a deep knowingness, a connection to
a greater purpose, a connection to more than you alone.  A connection to all
that is.

You know everything you
need to know.  It is all inside you.  All you need to do is learn to go beneath
emotion and access truth.  Learn to do this, and you will open up a clear path
before you.  You will not know what the future holds, but it will unfold before
you, step by step, in clarity and wonder.

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6.

Jennifer Hoffman: 10-10-10 Beginnings & Endings

Posted by: "Ash" mhc4sure@yahoo.com   mhc4sure

Sat Oct 9, 2010 2:20 pm (PDT)










10-10-10 
Beginnings & Endings

Greetings! 

 
On
Sunday we celebrate the date 10-10-10, a symbol of new beginnings that
we are so ready for. We want to find a new life purpose, new
relationships, new ways of being and more joy. So we welcome this
opportunity with open arms and an open heart. New beginnings are
available as long as we are willing to create space for them, which we
do by allowing their corresponding endings to occur. Every new beginning
we ask for is the door that opens when another closes. We cannot begin
without also ending.
 
Why
don't we welcome endings with the same joy as we do beginnings? Because
we think they involve sacrifice, suffering, pain and discomfort. When
something ends we have to do without, start over or acknowledge a
failure. Endings show us how things did not work out, where we could not
succeed at something or where our expectations were not met. And
endings disrupt the flow of our lives, as they compel us to look in
other directions, point out our shortcomings and work on ourselves. 
 
While
that is what we may believe, that is not what endings are about.
Endings give us closure, confirmation and support on our next steps.
They are signs that we are ready for something else and the only painful
thing about them is when we do not allow them to occur.
 
There
is a law of physics which states that two things cannot occupy the same
space at the same time. And this is so true of endings and beginnings.
When we ask for something new, it takes the place of something that
already exists. So we have to release the old to make room for the new.
That's easy enough to do when it's something we do not care about but
when it is important to us, the ending has become personal, a
testimonial of who we are and a sign that we failed or lost. Allowing it
to end means that a part of us ends too and if we are not ready to
detach from it, let it go or have judgments then our endings will be
quite disruptive and painful.
 
On
this date and on future dates like it, for there will be more waves of
the energy of new beginnings as more shifts occur, we open more
energetic portals and step into higher dimensions, we will be asked to
make room for new beginnings by allowing endings to occur. Are we as
open to the ending as we are the beginning?
 
Along with any new beginning that you experience on October 10,
2010 and afterwards, give yourself the gift of an ending. This could be
an actual ending, a symbolic ending or an affirmation to release
something that you know does not serve you. Could you be more confident,
positive, happy, grateful, self assured, or loving or appreciative of
yourself? Imagine the ending as the closing door that allows the new
beginning to enter.
 
If
you want to be more confident or successful, release any guilt, shame
or other blocks that prevent you from expressing your full potential.
 
To be happy, close the door on an unhappy experience that you hold in your memory.
 
To
create love, be grateful for every unloving teacher you have had, for
their purpose was to help you find love within yourself.
 
To know your new life purpose, embrace where you are in this moment and everything you have learned.
 
To
be at peace, be grateful for every experience of chaos and that you
have the power to choose the energies that manifest in your life.
 
Embrace your new potential as you give yourself the gift of the endings that make beginnings possible.
 
Many blessings in these amazing, miraculous times.
 
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7.

Hekate: A Devotee's Views

Posted by: "Ash" mhc4sure@yahoo.com   mhc4sure

Sat Oct 9, 2010 3:21 pm (PDT)



Source: Jodi

Hekate: A Devotee's View

Author: Alorer

Posted: October 3rd. 2010

Times Viewed: 991

Hekate (Hecate is the Latin spelling and being Greek I prefer the Greek
one) is perhaps one of the most misinterpreted and misrepresented
deities in modern Paganism. From being given the Crone aspect when no
historical or mythological source supports it verifiably (and because
Neo-Paganism tends to cater to stereotypes heavily) to the
misinterpretation of Her triplicity to unfounded overemphasizing of Her
darker traits to virtually anything you can imagine.

Hekate has been misconstrued by many Neo-Pagans, mainly due to the lack
of research and study of reputed sources (Hesiod's Theogony comes to
mind as a very basic and vital work on the mythology of the Gods) but
also due to the overwhelming sense of "being special" that many
Neo-Pagans seem to have. Note that this isn't a blog on poking the -
admittedly big - portion of the "bad apples" in our big community tree.
This is a post attempting to educate somewhat regarding a well-known but
also exploited deity. However, in order to do so, one needs to shed
light upon the shadows of ignorance and misinformation that cloud
Hekate's image.

Before I delve deeper into Hekate's case, let me share some information on Her.

Hekate is the daughter and only child of the Titans Perses and Asteria.
She inherited power over the earth, sea and sky from Her parents. Hekate
is one of the very few Titans to have survived the Titanomachy and the
Olympian reign "unscathed" (which is an allegoric/mythologi cal way to
portray the survival of Her cults and worship as opposed to that of most
other Titans) as well as the only Titan to be praised equally to the
Olympians. In the Theogony, Hesiod notes how Zeus praised Her above all
others, did not take anything from Her power and even gave Her a share
in the dominion of most other Gods. She is the one He often went to for
advice.

Hekate is a Goddess of liminal places and times, key and torch bearing
maiden, guide, psycho pomp and "opener of ways". She is a counselor and
companion of those in need and protectress from and against witchcraft.
At the same time She is the governor of all magical acts and believed to
have invented theurgy. That is also why Hekate, alongside Hermes and/or
Iris, was to be appeased and petitioned before any ritual act for the
Gods, as She was the one (or rather one of those) responsible for and
permitting the mortals to reach out for the Gods. Should Hekate refuse
to aid you, your calls will remain unanswered and fall to deaf ears.

Hekate is also a Goddess related to the Moon (especially with the
Dark/New Moon) , childbirth (or more appropriately, child-nurturing) and
crossroads. She is one of the minor household deities, a protectress of
the home and household from outside perils, alongside Hermes. Note that
she only has a connection to the moon. The only Moon Goddess (and that
is understood as the one presiding over, embodying and ruling the Moon)
in Greek mythology and theology is Selene.

She presides over the darker side of the self as well as the inner one.
She governs intuition, divination and insight. Hekate is the
Goddess-In-The- Shadows but also the one who can pierce the shadows. She
is a "dark Goddess" in the sense that She is Queen of the Unseen but
not in the sense of negativity or "evil". Gods are beyond such human
concepts.

She is a maiden Goddess and not a crone contrary to popular (mis)
belief. Most mythological- related texts consider Her a virgin as well
although some have her double as the mother of Skylla (by Phorkys - in
the works of Apollonius Rhodius) or as the mother of Circe, Medea and
Aigialeus (by Aeetes - in the works of Diodorus Siculus) . Personally, I
prefer the virgin Goddess theory since the rest conflict with the other
mythological family trees.

Hekate is often portrayed as a crone due to Her association with Magic.
In medieval times, the image of Hekate merged with the stereotypical
image of an elderly, scary-looking woman over a cauldron. From that, as
well as Her, somewhat "grim" duties, spawned the image of a physically
old Hekate, which is, of course, mistaken.

Another "faulty" interpretation of Hekate is Her triplicity. Due to the
popularity of the Wiccan/Neo-Wiccan tenet of a Triple Goddess, other
"Triple" Goddesses were misappropriated and deemed as being "triple" in
the same manner. That is also incorrect. Hekate is triple in a literal
sense. Being associated with crossroads and liminal places, Hekate is
literally a "three-headed/ formed figure", seeing in all directions. The
Triple Goddess tenet of modern Paganism (specifically Wicca) is
allegoric in the sense that it's related to aspects and periods as
opposed to a literal, physical figure. In addition, Hekate was also
portrayed often as a single person or as having three distinct bodies.

Finally, Hekate is a strict and stern Goddess. She can be very loving,
warm and intimate with Her followers, especially those that praise and
satisfy Her but She is also not as forgiving as other deities as well as
intolerant of many vices, in a greater degree than most deities. A
bright example is how She can be quick to remove (at least temporarily
or until reformation occurs) Her favor and aid from even a devoted
follower of Hers, should he/she stray from the path and fail to meet the
requirements and standards set, not so much by the Goddess Herself, as
much as by the person. Unlike other deities, Hekate is less direct and
more influential, meaning She works in more subtle and indirect ways as
well as more affecting ones, since She approaches you in a gentle
fashion as opposed to a strong, straightforward manner.

If Hekate calls to you, don't freak out. She can be strict but also very
rewarding. As Hesiod says: "He who has her favor will be showered with
riches, for it is within her power." (paraphrased) . However, be wary.
She won't tolerate the unworthy.

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Footnotes:

Hekate: Her Sacred Fires, edited by Sorita D'Este

the Theoi (dot) com website

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8.

IS VEDIC CIVILIZATION THE REMNANTS OF THE LEGENDARY ATLANTIS

Posted by: "Ash" mhc4sure@yahoo.com   mhc4sure

Sat Oct 9, 2010 3:26 pm (PDT)



Source: Jodi

IS VEDIC CIVILIZATION THE REMNANTS OF THE LEGENDARY ATLANTIS

In the course of our journey to find out where we came from, there has

been many theories most of them backed by scientific explanation and

proofs. Archaeologists, Anthropologists, Geologists, Paleontologists,

and Historians all have given us theories after theories and all with

some amount of scientific data and evidences. In spite of all their

efforts there are many archaeological, anthropological, geological,

finds and evidences that defies straight logic and defies the present

scientific status on the origin of civilization. To me one of the most

intriguing evidence of the origin of civilization is the Vedic

scriptures. The scriptures are a store house of knowledge and

evidences of the origin of civilization which when analyzed and

studied will push the date of the origin of intelligent human

civilization much later than what we currently know and what we are

currently taught and made to belief. In fact now a day studies are

being conducted in this area and scientists, historians, linguists,

anthropologists are now looking at the Vedas in a different light.

Writers like Dr David Frawley, Graham Hancock, Dr Michael Cremo,

Zacharia sitchin , Dr B.G.Sidharth, Dr.Sidharth Kak have done

extensive studies of the Vedic scriptures and because of them, today

the perception towards the scriptures all over the world seems to be changing.

In most examinations of lost civilizations, there has been a

surprising tendency to leave India out of the picture. While the

wonders of Egypt or Sumeria are often discussed, the equally great

wonders of ancient India are seldom mentioned. This is strange because

India is the main country that has preserved our ancient human

heritage, both materially and spiritually. For example, in India today

one can observe the same type of temple worship still being practiced

like that which once occurred in ancient Egypt, Babylonia, Greece or

Mexico, along with the same emphasis on the spiritual and the sacred

as the focus of life. India has extensive archaeological remains that

are among the largest and oldest in the world. Harappan India or India

of the so-called ‘Indus Valley Civilization’ was the largest urban

civilization in the world of its times in the third millennium BC

(3100-1900 BCE), with major sites extending from the Ganges river in

the east to Afghanistan in the west, from the border of Iran to near

Bombay. However, India’s role in ancient civilization has been largely

ignored in favor of more culturally comfortable, though geographically

much smaller cultures in the Near East, in spite of the fact that such

ancient cultures frequently lauded the greatness of India themselves.

How many of us know that the civilizations of Egypt and Mesopotamia

would fit easily into Harappan India with much room to spare, so much

larger was the Indian civilization. There has been an even greater

ignoring of the Vedic literature of India, which is by far the largest

that has been preserved from the ancient world. The many thousands of

pages of this poetic literature dwarf all that the rest of the world

has managed to save from such early eras. Yet instead of putting Vedic

literature on par with the Pyramids of Egypt in terms of

civilizational achievements, scholars reduce the Vedas to the rantings

of illiterate nomads from Central Asia, who by all accounts should

have left no literature anyway. The spiritual wisdom of the Vedic

mantras, shlokas, and the story telling in the form of quatrants, is

ignored according to a view that the Vedas are only a nature poetry of

barbarian invaders. This is in spite of the fact that the Vedas were

the foundation for the great yogic and mystical traditions of Asia

through Hindu and Buddhist traditions and the whole science of Yoga,

which frequently refer to them. Not only has Vedic literature been

ignored, there has been an additional effort to keep the Vedic

literature separate from the great archaeological remains in the

country of the various Harappan sites. We are told that the great

urban civilization of ancient India and the great Vedic literature

that India preserved as its ancient heritage are not connected to each

other at all. We are left with ‘a civilization without a literature’

and a ‘literature without a civilization’ , though both a great

literature and a great civilization came from ancient India and often

use the same symbols. This is in evidence in the many Vedic images

found in Harappan sites and on Harappan seals like the Brahma bull,

figures in yoga postures, Shiva-like Gods, fire altars and swastikas.

Here the new geology and marine archaeology has ruled in favor of the

ancients. Vedic literature describes its homeland on a long lost river

called the Sarasvati, which according to Vedic descriptions flowed

east of the Indus from the Himalayas to the Arabian Sea. Modern

satellite photography has clearly indicated the existence of this

great river, as have numerous geological and ground water studies

conducted over the last few decades, which show that the Sarasvati was

once over ten kilometers in width and flowed from the mountains to the

sea, dwarfing the nearby Indus. As the Vedas say, the Sarasvati was

the largest river of the region at the time. It was the center of a

great civilization and the vast majority of ancient Indian and

Harappan ruins have been found on the now dried banks of the Sarasvati.

In my earlier articles I have made an effort to bring to my readers

this vastness of the Vedic scriptures and the scientific nature of the

scriptures. I have made an effort to let my readers know that the

Vedic civilization is by no means a civilization of the natives as

projected by the West, but a civilization which was very advanced,

scientific, and very prolific. This civilization was in fact the

progenitor of many civilizations in the world. AND the Vedic

civilization was probably the oldest civilization and the only

civilization that evolved after the last glaciations some 15000 years

ago. It gave rise to many other civilization in the world but in the

Indian subcontinent ( I am not talking of any political boundary

here ) this civilization has been a continuous phenomenon till date.

Writing this article I must write about Bal Gangadhar Tilak who was

also known as Lokmanya Tilak. It was his work on the Vedic

civilization that sparked lot of anger among the then British

Government . Bal Gangadhar Tilak, was an Indian nationalist, social

reformer and freedom fighter who was the first popular leader of the

Indian Independence Movement. Tilak sparked the fire for complete

independence in Indian consciousness, and is considered the father of

Hindu nationalism as well. “ Swaraj is my birthright, and I shall have

it!” This famous quote of his is very popular and well-remembered in

India even today.

Reverently addressed as Lokmanya (meaning “Beloved of the people” or

“Revered by the world”), Tilak was a scholar of Indian history,

Sanskrit, Hinduism, mathematics and astronomy. He was born on July 23,

1856, in a village near Ratnagiri, Maharashtra, into a middle class

Chitpavan Brahmin family. Tilak was an avid student with a special

aptitude for mathematics. He was among India’s first generation of

youth to receive a modern, college education. Tilak authored the well-

regarded “The Orion”, or, Researches into the antiquities of the

Vedas (1893) in which he used astronomy to establish that the Vedic

people were present in India at least as early as the 4th millennium

BC. Later, in 1903, he wrote the much more speculative Arctic Home in

the Vedas. In it he argued that the Vedas could only have been

composed in the Arctics, and the Aryan bards brought them south after

the onset of the last Ice age. The rig Veda, the oldest of the

Vedas, if was composed in the arctic region then it means that there

was a civilization which was present in such a distant past and post

the last glaciations could this very civilization moved to all

possible part of the world where it felt it could be safe from the

impending disastrous effects of the glaciations. Then would it be

right enough to presume that the Vedic civilization, as we know it

today, is the logical conclusion of a much older, much scientific,

much well organized civilization? A civilization which is not present

now, a civilization that exists only in the legends?

His passion was cartography. His high rank within the Turkish navy

allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople.

The Turkish admiral admits in a series of notes on the map that he

compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps, some

of which dated back to the fourth century BC or earlier.

The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast

of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern

coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling

however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate

map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but

that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence

confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted

in an ice-free state is 4000 BC. The official science has been saying

all along that the ice-cap which covers the Antarctic is million years old.

The Piri Reis map shows that the northern part of that continent has

been mapped before the ice did cover it. That should make think it has

been mapped million years ago, but that’s impossible since mankind did

not exist at that time.

Further and more accurate studies have proven that the last period of

ice-free condition in the Antarctic ended about 6000 years ago. There

are still doubts about the beginning of this ice-free period, which

has been put by different researchers everything between year 13000 and 9000 BC.

The question is: Who mapped the Queen Maud Land of Antarctic 6000

years ago? Which unknown civilization had the technology or the need

to do that?

It is well-known that the first civilization, according to the

traditional history, developed in the mid-east around year 3000 BC,

soon to be followed within a millennium by the Indus valley and the

Chinese ones. So, accordingly, none of the known civilizations could

have done such a job. Who was here 4000 years BC, being able to do

things that NOW are possible with the modern technologies? Therefore

When Tilak said about a civilization post last glaciations and the

location being the Arctic he was not just making a conjecture but he

had definitive evidence which he certainly found in the Vedic

scriptures. For example, the sacred book Rig-Veda contains a story of

a great civilization that existed 18 million years ago on the

continent Oryana. The location of the continent could be easily

identifiable with the help of Hindu sacred writings. According to

them, the city of Arka, a capital of the united empire, was situated

beneath the Polar Star i.e. on the territory of the present-day

Arctic. Could the name Oryana compel Tilak to name his research “The Orion”

Over 11,000 years ago there existed an island nation located in the

middle of the Atlantic Ocean(?) populated by a noble and powerful

race. The people of this land possessed great wealth thanks to the

natural resources found throughout their island. The island was a

center for trade and commerce. The rulers of this land held sway over

the people and land of their own island and well into Europe and

Africa. This was the island of Atlantis.

Atlantis was the domain of Poseidon, god of the sea. When Poseidon

fell in love with a mortal woman, Cleito, he created a dwelling at the

top of a hill near the middle of the island and surrounded the

dwelling with rings of water and land to protect her. Cleito gave

birth to five sets of twin boys who became the first rulers of

Atlantis. The island was divided among the brothers with the eldest,

Atlas, first King of Atlantis, being given control over the central

hill and surrounding areas. Plato was a student of Socrates until the

latter’s death in 399 BC at the hands of the Athenian authorities.

After his teacher’s death, Plato traveled extensively, including

journeys in Egypt.

In 387 BC he returned to Athens and founded the Academy, a school of

science and philosophy that became the model for the modern

university. Perhaps the most famous student of the Academy was

Aristotle whose teachings have had tremendous impact on philosophy

through today. Due to the Academy’s safekeeping, many of Plato’s works

have survived. His extant writings are in the form of letters and

dialogues, the most famous of which is probably The Republic. His

writings cover subjects ranging from knowledge to happiness to

politics to nature. Two of his dialogues, Timeaus and Critias, hold

the only known original references to the island of Atlantis.

In the world these are the only two epics Timeaus and Critias wherein

there is a mention of such a civilization. THE ATLANTIS CIVILIZATION.

The epics goes on to describe the structure or the city plan of the

Atlantis and the daily lives of the Atlanteans. At the top of the

central hill, a temple was built to honor Poseidon which housed a

giant gold statue of Poseidon riding a chariot pulled by winged

horses. It was here that the rulers of Atlantis would come to discuss

laws, pass judgments, and pay tribute to Poseidon. To facilitate

travel and trade, a water canal was cut through of the rings of land

and water running south for 5.5 miles (~9 km) to the sea. The city of

Atlantis sat just outside the outer ring of water and spread across

the plain covering a circle of 11 miles (1.7 km). This was a densely

populated area where the majority of the population lived. Beyond the

city lay a fertile plain 330 miles (530 km) long and 110 miles (190

km) wide surrounded by another canal used to collect water from the

rivers and streams of the mountains. The climate was such that two

harvests were possible each year. One in the winter fed by the rains

and one in the summer fed by irrigation from the canal.

Surrounding the plain to the north were mountains which soared to the

skies. Villages, lakes, rivers, and meadows dotted the mountains.

Besides the harvests, the island provided all kinds of herbs, fruits,

and nuts. An abundance of animals, including elephants, roamed the

island. For generations the Atlanteans lived simple, virtuous lives.

But slowly they began to change. Greed and power began to corrupt

them. When Zeus saw the immorality of the Atlanteans he gathered the

other gods to determine a suitable punishment.

Soon, in one violent surge it was gone. The island of Atlantis, its

people, and its memory were swallowed by the sea.

Geologists, both mainstream and alternative, agree that the evidence

is overwhelming that there was a massive global catastrophe in around

10,000 BC that ended the last Ice Age and altered the face of the

planet in almost every way. For the people alive at that time it must

have been an experience we can’t imagine. The sea levels rising 300

feet in a week, submerging all beaches and coastal lands, torrential

rainstorms measuring in feet instead of inches, worldwide hurricanes,

supervolcanic eruptions turning the sky black and blotting out the sun

for months. A waterfall as wide as the Bosphorous Strait filling up

the Black Sea like a bathtub. The human survivors of this cataclysm

would never ever have forgotten it and would most certainly have told

their children and grandchildren about it; and those subsequent

generations would have passed on the story to their own descendants.

This memory endured to the present day to become these folk-legends of

the Great Flood etc. However, conventional studies of prehistory say

that 12,000 years ago humans existed in small groups; the Neolithic

Age had only just begun and most people still lived in nomadic hunter-

gatherer cultures. There were no cities, no nation-states like

Atlantis is said to be and only a handful of settled towns numbering

no more than a few hundred people. Many Mavericks have claimed that

the myths describing a sophisticated prehistoric civilization are in

fact real and the conventional scientists have got it wrong. However

this alternative, minority view lacked hard evidence until recently.

Plato concedes that he learnt the legend of Atlantis from Solon who,

in turn, got it from the Egyptians. But those, in their turn, learnt

it from the Hindus of Punt (Indonesia). Punt was the Ancestral Land

(To-wer), the Island of Fire whence the Egyptians originally came, in

the dawn of times, expelled by the cataclysm that razed their land.

From there also came the Aryans, the Hebrews and Phoenicians, as well

as the other nations that founded the magnificent civilizations of

olden times. Here we see the first glimpse of the Vedic connection.

Could Rig Veda the oldest of the Vedas have any mention of this

civilization? Many cultures from all over the Pacific make reference

to this land. Here are just a few: The legends of Easter Island speak

of Hiva, which sank beneath the waves as people fled, while one Samoan

legend calls a similar place Poluto. The Maoris of New Zealand still

talk about arriving long ago from a sinking island called Hawaiki, a

vast and mountainous place on the other side of the water. The myths

and traditions of India abound with references. The Rig Veda speaks of

“the three continents that were”; the third was home to a race called

the Danavas. A land called Rutas was an immense continent far to the

east of India and home to a race of sun-worshippers. But Rutas was

torn asunder by a volcanic upheaval and sent to the ocean depths.

Fragments remained as Indonesia and the Pacific islands, and a few

survivors reached India, where they became the elite Brahman caste.

Hopi Legend â€" On the bottom of the seas lie all the proud cities, the

flying patuwvotas [shields] and the worldly treasures corrupted with

evil. Faced with disaster, some people hid inside the earth while

others escaped by crossing the ocean on reed rafts, using the islands

as stepping-stones. The same story of escape to dry land appears in

the Popol Vuh â€" the Mayan story of creation. Augustus Le Plongeon,

(1826-1908) a 19th century researcher and writer who conducted

investigations of the Maya ruins in the Yucatan announced that he had

translated ancient Mayan writings, which allegedly showed that the

Maya of Yucatan were older than the later civilizations of Atlantis

and Egypt, and additionally told the story of an even older continent

of Mu, whose survivors founded the Maya civilization. Later students

of the Ancient Maya writings argue that Le Plongeon’s “translations”

were based on little more than his vivid imagination. Stay tuned as I

will be uploading more documentaries from this anime.

The Hindus have many traditions of a paradisial region where mankind

and civilization first originated. One such plase was Tripura, “the

Triple City”. with metallic walls and golden palaces. The

inhabitants of Tripura were originally extremely pious, but with the

passage of time, they became evil and perverse, and were destroyed by

Shiva. It is because of this feat that Shiva got the epithet of

Tripurantaka (“Destroyer of Tripura”). Tripura was built upon a

mountain so lofty, that it was said to reside in the skies. Another

Hindu legend on a lost empire concerns Lanka,and is told in detail in

the Ramayana. The saga of the destruction of Lanka by Rama and

Hanumant was of which Homer’s Illiad was based. Just as the Ramayana

tells the story of Lanka and the rescue of Shita (the wife of Rama)

who was taken by the evil Ravana. The Illiad recounts the

destruction of Troy and the rescue of Helen who was taken by Paris.

The Mahabharata relates the fall of Krishna’s mighty empire during the

great war between the Lunars and the Solars (the Kurus and Pandus).

Hastinapura, the capital of the Pandu empire, was the “City of the

Pillars” (Hastina-pura) â€" or the “City of the Nagas”. The

Mahabharata also tells of Dvaraka, the capital of Krishna, located on

an island in the middle of the seas. Krishna’s capital, Dvaraka, sunk

under the the sea and their divine hero died in the Great War.

Dravidian traditions speak of a vast sunken land known as “Rutas” that

was located towards the south-east of India. The Dravidas claim to

have moved to India from that land before it sunk under the sea,

during a a great catacylsm. The name Rutas is a reflection of the

Sanskrit word ” radix rudh” which means “red” and Dravidian word

“ruta:” which means ‘to be red’ , ‘to burn’. These etyms evoke the

“Island of Fire” and may elude to the “Land of the Reds” ( one of the

many mystical names of Atlantis) The Dravidas claimed to have been

Kshatryias (“Warriors”), an Indian caste whose heraldic colour is red.

The myth of the Celestial Jerusalem, told in the Book of Revelation,

stems directly from the Hindu traditions of Lanka, the “Queen of the

Waves”. Lanka, whose history is told in the Ramayana, was the actual

archetype of Plato’s Atlantis, as well as Homer’s Troy. Lanka was

built upon a lofty mountain (Mt. Trikuta = Mt. Atlas or Meru), and was

said “to fly in the air, scratching the belly of heaven”. Hindu myths

also tell how Lanka, with “its towers and walls of stone clad with

metal” was pulled out of the summit of the Holy Mountain (Meru) by the

North Wind (Vayu) and thrown into the seas, where it drowned with all

its vast population. Interestingly enough, the same myth, with Atlas

(i. e., Atlantis) substituting for Lanka, is also encountered in

Greece. Atlas, often identified with Hesperus, the Evening Star, was

thrown into the ocean by Boreas, the North Wind who is the Greek

counterpart of Vayu. There Atlas drowned, and was to be found no more,

just as happened with Lanka and, indeed, with Atlantis.

The New Jerusalem is Atlantis, reborn from its cinders, as a sort of

Phoenix, the bird that personifies Paradise in Greek myths. These

myths were indeed copied from Egypt who, in turn, cribbed them from

India. India and, more exactly, Indonesia, is the true land of the

Phoenix, as is relatively easy to show, since it is from there that

comes the name of the Benu bird of the Egyptians and that of the

Phoenix of the Greeks.

This mystic bird was called Vena in the Rig Veda. So, if the Phoenix

indeed symbolizes Atlantis-Paradise resurging from its own cinders, as

we believe it does, there can be little doubt that the legend is

originally Vedic, and originated in the Indies. The name means nothing

that makes sense in either Egyptian or Greek. But in the holy tongues

of India it means the idea of Eros (Love) and, more exactly, the Sun

of Justice that symbolizes Atlantis rising from the waters of the

primordial abyss. This myth forms the essence of the one of the

Celestial Jerusalem, as well as, say, those of the Orphic Cosmogonies,

those of the Egyptians, and those of most other ancient nations.

Other Hindu legends tell of Agartha (or Shambhalla), the subterranean

realm of the King of the World. According to this tradition, it is

from Shambhalla that will surge Kalkin, (The King of the World) for

the final battle of the end of times. Kalkin will lead his hosts, the

Sons of Light, to victory against the Sons of Darkness. The myth of

Shambhalla is the archetype from which were copied the similar ones of

the Essenes and of the Christians. The Celestial Jerusalem from St.

John’s Revelation, the myth of Kalkin prefigures the Second Coming of

Jesus Christ. Many experts have correlated the traditions of Agartha

and Shambhalla with those of Atlantis and the Celestial Jerusalem. In

fact, Atlantis too will resurge in the end of times in precisely the

same manner as the Celestial Jerusalem.

It is significant to note that, according to geo physical research

based on the movement of the continental plates, the Lanka of Ravana

was situated in the continent of Lemuria, also known as Kumari Kandam,

which was a land mass, connecting the Deccan plateau in South India

and the island of Ceylon, with intervening straits to be crossed, with

Madagascar in the West, Australia on the East and Antarctica on the

South, until it sank into the Indian ocean in stages over 3,500 years

ago, as mentioned in the writings of the German geologist Wagner anti

the eminent Indologist Sir T.W. Holderness.

The research done by Fr. Heras and Sir John Marshall the archaeologist

and other scholars into the archaeological finds at Mohenjodaro and

Harappa point to the existence of an earlier highly developed

Dravidian civilization in the deep South which, had influenced the

Indus-Valley Aryan civilization of the North.

The available historical evidence referring to the Dravidian

civilization commences with the records that have come down to us of

the Tamil literary writings during the past 12,000 years, which have

been divided by historians into three periods, called the First Sangam

period from 9600 BC to 5200 BC, spanning the Satya and Treta yugas,

the Second Sangam period from 5200 BC to 1500 BC spanning the Treta

and Dwapara yugas, and the Third Sangam period from 1500 BC to 600 AD

spanning the Dwapara and Kali yugas. According to the present cycle of

four yugas, namely Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali yugas, in their

descending arc of 12,000 years and ascending arc of another 12,000

years, as stated by Sri Yukteswar in his famous treatis called ‘Holy

Science’, we are now in the ascending arc of Dwapara yuga completed

the Kali yuga period lasting from 600 BC to 1800 AD. The Mahabharata

war, where Lord Krishna propagated the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita

to Arjuna, is reckoned to have taken place during the Second Sangam

period about the year 3100 BC. The First Sangam, which was founded and

nurtured by Siddha Sri Agastiyar, lasted for 4,400 years and had its

centre in the city of Dakshina Madura in the continent of Lemuria.

The Second Sangam, which was also established under the patronage of

Sri Agastiyar, lasted for 3,700 years and had its centre in the city

of Kavatapuram in the continent of Lemuria, after the records in the

city of Dakshina Madura had gone under water. The Third Sangam, also

sponsored by Sri Agastiyar, lasted for 1,800 years and had its centre

at Uttara Madura, namely the modern city of Madurai, which lays north

of the earlier centres, after the whole of the Lemurian continent had

gone under water.

After the commencement of the gradual inundation of the Lemurian

continent, it is reported that Sri Agastiyar led a migration of

Dravidians to Java and Cambodia and Central and South America. The

legends of the Incas, Mayans and Aztecs of South America regarding the

founding of their cultures by tall beared white-robed teachers confirm

the tradititional view that the Lemurians, under the guidance of their

siddhas, colonized North and South America, as well as the Nile

Valley, when they founded the Egyptian civilization.

It is significant to note that Edgar Cayce the well-known ‘sleeping

prophet’ of America, had in the course of his recent voluminous

psychic messages given out by him while in a state of trance mentioned

a similar sinking of the continent of Atlantis in stages into the

Atlantic Ocean over a period of several centuries between 12,000 BC

and 10,000 BC, before the sinking of the Lemurian continent.

Accoding to Prof:Arysio Santos in his book “Atlantis- The Lost

Continent Finally Found”

The Greeks copied their legends on Atlas and Atlantis from the Hindu

ones on Atalas (Shiva) and on Atala, the sunken paradise of the

Hindus. As in the Greek traditions, Atalas â€" whose name is Sanskrit

and means “Pillar” â€" was deemed to be the “Pillar of the World”, just

as was Atlas in Greece. Atala was, like Atlantis, a sunken continent

destroyed by a fiery cataclysm, and which lay in the Outer Ocean.

Since the Greek legend is of Hindu origin and was simply transferred

to their western region when the Greeks moved to their present

whereabouts, it is idle to quest for Atlantis in the ocean nowadays

called Atlantic. Instead, we must seek Atlantis in the ocean which the

Hindus called “Ocean of the Atlanteans” or “Western Ocean”, and which

is none other than the Indian Ocean.

The Hindus have many traditions on a sunken continent that was the

paradisial region where mankind and civilization first originated. One

such was Tripura, “the Triple City”. When we recall the fact that

Atlantis was, like Tripura, a triple city with metallic walls and

golden palaces, we cannot but conclude that the two traditions, if

indeed based on actual fact, refer to the one and same thing.

Moreover, as happened with Atlantis, the inhabitants of Tripura were

originally extremely pious. But, with the passage of time, they also

became evil and perverse, and were destroyed by Shiva. It is because

of this feat that Shiva got the epithet of Tripurantaka (“Destroyer of

Tripura”). As with Lanka (see below) and Atlantis, Tripura was built

upon a mountain so lofty, that it was said to reside in the skies.

Another Hindu legend on a sunken empire that was the archetype of

Atlantis concerns Lanka, and is told in detail in the Ramayana. The

saga of the destruction of Lanka by Rama and Hanumant was the

original on which Homer’s Illiad was based. Just as the Ramayana tells

the story of Lanka and the rescue of Shita, the spouse of Rama

kidnapped by the evil Ravana, the Illiad recounts the destruction of

Troy and the rescue of the fickle Helen, kidnapped by Paris. Troy,

with its bronzy walls and golden palaces was just one of the many

allegories of Atlantis. In contrast to the small village discovered by

Schliemann in Turkey, the true Troy lay in the Outer Ocean. It was a

magnificent capital and sank into the ocean after its destruction and

incending in the great war with the “Greeks” of an earlier age. The

parallels between Troy and Atlantis are too many to be discarded. And

those between Plato’s Atlantis and the Lanka of the Hindus show, in an

unequivocal manner, that it is in the Far Orient and the underseas,

and not in the Mediterranean region, that we must quest for the real

Troy and the real Atlantis.

The Mahabharata, the other great Hindu classical saga that completes

the Ramayana, tells of the mighty empire of Krishna and its

destruction in the great war between the Lunars and the Solars (the

Kurus and Pandus). This great war is, like the one of Lanka or that of

Troy, the true archetype on which Plato based his history of Atlantis.

Hastinapura, the capital of the Pandu empire, was the “City of the

Pillars” (Hastina-pura) or, yet, the “City of the Nagas”. These two

are epithets associated with the Atlanteans and with the Pillar of

Heaven in the Far East. The Mahabharata also tells of Dvaraka, the

capital of Krishna, located in an island in the middle of the seas.

Krishna’s capital, Dvaraka, sunk underseas when the divine hero died

in the great war, more or less in the way Atlantis went under,

according to Plato.

Dravidian traditions speak of a vast sunken continent towards the

south-east of India called Rutas. The Dravidas claim to have moved to

India from that continent when it sunk away underseas, in a great

cataclysm. The name of Rutas apparently relates to the Sanskrit radix

rudh (“red”), and the Dravidian ruta (“to be red”, “to burn”). These

etyms evoke the “Island of Fire” and may be an allusion to the

fabulous “Land of the Reds” that was one of the many mystic names of

Atlantis in the ancient traditions. Indeed, the Dravidas claimed to

have been Kshatryias (“Warriors”), an Indian caste whose heraldic

colour is the red one.

The Phoenicians â€" whose name also means “reds” in Greek â€" claimed,

like the Dravidas, to have come from an “Island of Fire” located

beyond the Indian Ocean (or Erythraean) overseas. That means the

Indies, indeed located in this “Ocean of the Reds” (Erythraean) .

Hence, the Phoenician homeland seems to be originally the same as the

Rutas (or “Island of Fire”) of the Dravidas. The Egyptians too called

themselves “Reds” (Rot or Khem, in their tongue). And they also

claimed to have come from this “Island of Fire” in the Indian (or

Erythraean) overseas. Would all the traditions of these virtuous

nations be lying? Or is it that we interpret their myths erroneously?

The myth of the Celestial Jerusalem, told in the Book of Revelation,

stems directly from the Hindu traditions on Lanka, the “Queen of the

Waves”. Lanka, whose history is told in the Ramayana, was the actual

archetype of Plato’s Atlantis, as well as Homer’s Troy. Lanka was

built upon a lofty mountain (Mt. Trikuta = Mt. Atlas or Meru), and was

said “to fly in the air, scratching the belly of heaven”. Hindu myths

also tell how Lanka, with “its towers and walls of stone clad with

metal” was pulled out of the summit of the Holy Mountain (Meru) by the

North Wind (Vayu) and thrown into the seas, where it drowned with all

its vast population. Interestingly enough, the same myth, with Atlas

(i. e., Atlantis) substituting for Lanka, is also encountered in

Greece. Atlas, often identified with Hesperus, the Evening Star, was

thrown into the ocean by Boreas, the North Wind who is the Greek

counterpart of Vayu. There Atlas drowned, and was to be found no more,

just as happened with Lanka and, indeed, with Atlantis.

Other Hindu legends tell of Agartha (or Shambhalla), the subterranean

realm of the King of the World. According to this tradition, it is

from Shambhalla that is to surge Kalkin, (“the White Knight”) for the

final battle of the end of times. Kalkin, the White Knight, is to lead

his hosts, the Sons of Light, to victory against the Sons of Darkness.

The myth of Shambhalla is the archetype from which were copied the

similar ones of the Essenes and of the Christians. Again, as with the

Celestial Jerusalem of St. John’s Revelation, the myth of Kalkin

prefigures the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Many experts have

correlated the traditions of Agartha and Shambhalla with those of

Atlantis and the Celestial Jerusalem. In fact, Atlantis too will

resurge in the end of times (now?) in precisely the same manner

prescribed for the Celestial Jerusalem of the Book of Revelation.

Then, will the Golden Age be restored to the world, for Atlantis is

truly the Paradise Lost we all have been expecting for so long.

Celtic traditions often speak of an “Island of the Lions”. This

mysterious island appears in Hindu traditions as Saka-dvipa or Simhala-

dvipa (“Island of the Lions”, in Sanskrit). This “Island of the Lions”

also figures in many other different traditions. In Celtic traditions,

the Island of the Lions also called Avalon. The name of Avalon has

been interpreted both as “Land of the Apple Trees” and as “Island of

the Lions” (Ava-lon). This paradisial island is also called Lyonesse

(Lyon-ys or “Island of the Lions”) or Llyn Llion (“Lake Lion”), the

lake which reputedly overwhelmed the whole world with its waters when

it overflowed, causing the Flood.

The “Island of the Lions” just mentioned (see above item) is no other

than the Simhala-dvipa (or Serendip) of the Hindus. Serendip is

indeed the “Island of the Seres” (Seren-dip), which is the same as

Taprobane (Sumatra). The Seres are “the people of the silk” (serica =

“silk”, in Latin). They are described as a blond, blue-eyed, tall

people by Pliny, Solinus and others. As we just said, Serendip is the

same as Taprobane or Sumatra, and should not be confused with Shri

Lanka (Ceylon), its Indian counterpart. The word “lion”, in India, is

synonymous with “hero” (gandha or simha in Skt., singa in Dravida,

etc.), so that the name of Simhala-dvipa indeed means “Island of the

Heroes”. And these “Heroes” of old are no other than those of

Atlantis, destroyed in the Flood, as mentioned in the Book of Genesis

(ch. 6).

It is from the primordial Lemurian Atlantis that derive all our myths

and religious traditions, the very ones that allowed the ascent of Man

above the beasts of the field. From Atlantis derive all our science

and our technology: agriculture, cattle herding, the alphabet,

metallurgy, astronomy, music, religion, and so forth. These inventions

are so clever and so advanced that they seem as natural as the air we

breath and the gods we worship. But they are all incredibly advanced

inventions that came to us from the dawn of times, from the twin

Atlantises we utterly forgot.

It is in India and in Indonesia, that, even today, we find the secret

of Atlantis and Lemuria hidden behind the thick veil of their myths

and allegories. The crucial events are disguised inside the Hindu and

Buddhic religious traditions, or told as charming sagas like those of

the Ramayana and the Mahaharata. The error that led the ancients,

along with the modern researchers, into believing that Atlantis lay in

the Atlantic Ocean is easy to understand now that we know the true

whereabouts of the sunken continent. When humanity moved from

Indonesia into the regions of Europe and the Near East, the

“Occidental Ocean” of the Hindus became the Oriental Ocean, for it

then lay towards the east.

The (Hindu) myths that told of Atlantis sinking in the Occidental

Ocean became interpreted as referring to the Atlantic Ocean, western

in regards to Europe, their new residence. The Hindus called the

sunken continent by the name of Atala (or Atalas) a name uncannily

similar to that of Atlas and of Atlantis (by the appending of the

suffix tis or tiv = “mountain”, “island”, in Dravida, and pronounced

“tiw”). It is from this base that names such as that of the mysterious

Keftiu of the Egyptians, the “Islands in the Middle of the Ocean (the

“Great Green”)” ultimately came (Keftiu = Kap-tiv = “capital island”

or “Skull Island” = “Calvary” in Dravida, the pristine language of

Indonesia). But this is a long story which we tell elsewhere,

presenting the detailed evidence for this uncanny allegation of ours.

Atlantis was a continent of the Atlantic Ocean where, according to

Plato, and advanced civilization developed some 11,600 years ago.

Plato affirms that, as the result of a huge volcanic cataclysm of

worldwide extent, this continent sunk away underseas, disappearing

forever. Official Science â€" the one you learn at school â€" rejects the

actual existence of Atlantis, as it has so far been unable to find any

traces of its reality. But the reason for that is simple to explain.

Everybody has been looking in the wrong locations, as Atlantis indeed

lies in the opposite side of the world.

Lemuria, on the other hand, is an even older version of Atlantis.

Lemuria is indeed the same as the Garden of Eden and other such

Paradises that in fact existed and were the actual birthplace of

Mankind and Civilization, precisely as the Bible and other Holy Books

affirm. From there, civilization spread to Atlantis and other parts of

the world, in the dawn of times, some 20 or 30 thousand years ago,

during the Ice Age.

In the vedic literature which are divided into the Rig-Veda, the

Yajurveda, the Samaveda and the Atharveda. The Rig Veda being the

oldest. Although these scripture are said to have been divinely

revealed in India and to have taken place there, author Professor

Arysio Nunes dos Santos thinks that they actually refer to Atlantis,

which according to his theory was located where the South China Sea is

and Indonesia. This would have made ancient India the nearest outpost

of the Atlantean civilisation.

The Indonesian Islands and the Malay Peninsula that we nowadays

observe are the unsunken relicts of Lemurian Atlantis, the lofty

volcanic mountains that became the volcanic islands of this region,

the true site of Paradise in all ancient traditions. The sunken

portion of continental extension now forms the muddy, shallow bottoms

of the South China Sea. It is encircled by Indonesia and forms the

boundary of the Indian and the Pacific Oceans.

The greatest of all Lemurian colonies was Atlantis, founded in India,

already during the heydays of Lemuria, and which, in time, reached the

apex of human grandeur. Atlantis and Lemuria had prospered for a full

zodiacal era (2,160 years), when the great cataclysm destroyed their

common world, at the end of the Pleistocene, some 11,600 years ago.

The scant survivors of the cataclysm that sunk Lemuria away were

forced to flee their destroyed Paradise, moving first to India, the

site of Atlantis, which had been spared in its northern, loftier

portion. But the global catastrophe had also caused the end of the

Pleistocene Ice Age, and the melting of the Himalayan glaciers caused

huge floods of the rivers of Asia, rendering the region unfit for

human habitation. These floods ravaged this remainder of Atlantis,

already greatly destroyed by the original cataclysm, the giant

conflagration of the Indonesian volcanoes and the huge tsunamis they

caused, as well as by the plague that ravaged their country in their

wake.

Again, this doomed people was obliged to flee, emigrating, along the

ensuing millennia, to remote places such as Egypt, Mesopotamia,

Palestine, North Africa, Europe, North Asia, the Near Orient and even

Oceania and the Americas. Some came on foot, in huge hordes like those

of the Israelite exodus. Others came by ship, like Noah in his Ark or

Aeneas with his fleet, to found the great civilizations of the

ancient world.

The great civilizations that we know of, in the Indus Valley, in

Egypt, in Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, Greece, Rome, Mexico and even the

Americas were all Atlantean colonies founded by the survivors of the

cataclysm that destroyed the twin Paradises of Atlantis and Lemuria.

These colonists, of course, attempted to recreate their Eden in their

new homeland.

The newcomers named each topographical feature after the archetypes of

the pristine abode just as immigrants will do the same nowadays. Such

is the reason why we keep finding vestiges of Atlantis everywhere,

from Brazil and North America to Spain, Crete, and even Africa and

North Europe. All these ancient civilizations spoke of Civilizing

Heroes such as Manu, Noah, Aeneas, the Oannés, Hotu Matua,

Quetzalcoatl, Kukulkan, Bochica and, of course, Atlas and Hercules,

the omnipresent Twins that founded civilizations everywhere.

Prof. Santos, who was trained in academic science and was a professor

of nuclear physics in Brazil, told me he had originally started his

research into Atlantis as a sceptic and unbeliever but having

researched throughly into world religions, occult traditions, geology

and word derivations he had become convinced it was very very real

indeed. It became a mission of his to get the knowledge that Atlantis

was real out to this crazy world. He had a completely new theory â€"

that Atlantis could not be found because everyone had been looking in

the wrong place and that Plato’s work on the subject had been

misunderstood. Arysio believed that the true location of Atlantis was

in the area of the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea. The

Indonesian islands are all that is left of it. He also felt that India

was one of its nearest and many colonies and that the holy books known

as the Vedas and the Hindu religion are based on and in Atlantis. The

professor also believed that many other religious ceremonies such as

baptism were memories of Atlantis and how it perished under the seas.

Arysio thought that that Guanche language was derived from Dravidian

and set out a very good case proving this by comparing Dravidian words

with those of the Guanche â€" many are nearly identical. He had also

written on The Mysterious Origin of the Guanches. He believed that the

“Golden Age” and the Garden of Eden and “Paradise” were all memories

of Atlantis as it once was and that after its destruction the

survivors had to begin again and had lost all their technological

advances and were reduced to a very primitive way of living.

His idea was that Atlantis was destroyed following a cataclysmic

volcanic eruption and tsunami that shook the entire world. He also

feels that it might have been triggered deliberately in nuclear war by

these ancient people who lived on Atlantis and he was praying this was

not going to be the fate of the world again.

In conclusion I can only say that here is another example of the

antiquity of the Vedic Civilization. Plato’s fabled city of Atlantis

though is a Myth it is a probable fact as all myths are distortion of

some facts which takes place in the distant past and it stays in the

memory of the population passed on from generation to generation

verbally. Thus becoming a Myth or a Legend. Corroborated with the

various evidences and studies it is a fair conclusion that Vedic

Civilization could be that remnants of the Atlantis Civilization.

Author has a masters degree in Anthropology from Calcutta

University.His website http://amlanroychowdhury.webs.com

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Get Ready for Samhain!: Day 4: Samhain Rituals and Ceremonies

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Get Ready for Samhain!

Day 4: Samhain Rituals and Ceremonies
From Patti Wigington, your Guide to Paganism / Wicca
The focus of nearly any Wiccan or Pagan sabbat celebration is the ritual.
Because different traditions honor different aspects of Samhain, however, there
are a variety of rituals you can perform to mark this night that reminds us of
the endless cycle of death and rebirth.

Celebrating the Harvest's End

Samhain represents the end of the harvest season. The crops are all dead or
dying, and where we once saw lush green plants, there is nothing left but brown
stalks. The perennials go dormant so that they may return to us in the spring.
Animals are brought in from the fields for the winter. This is the time to
hunker down for the coming season, and this mealtime ritual observes the
finality of the harvest. Honoring the End of the Harvest

A Samhain Rite for the God and Goddess

In some Wiccan and Pagan traditions, the Goddess moves into her aspect of Crone
at this time of year. At the same time, the God becomes the wild stag, the god
of the hunt, the game that dies so that we will have good to sustain us in the
winter. This ritual celebrates the God and Goddess in these late-autumn aspects.
Hold a God and Goddess Ritual

Samhain Rite for Life and Death

Samhain is a time like no other, in that we can watch as the earth literally
dies for the season. Leaves fall from the trees, the crops have gone brown, and
the land once more becomes a desolate place. However, at Samhain, when we take
the time to remember the dead, we can take time to contemplate this endless
cycle of life, death, and eventual rebirth. We can celebrate that cycle in
ritual, as well. Ritual for Life and Death

Ceremony to Honor Animals

This ceremony is designed to honor the spirits of the animals - both wild and
domestic. Man's relationship with animals goes back thousands and thousands of
years. They have been a source of food and clothing. They have protected us from
the things that lurk in the darkness. They have provided comfort and warmth. If
you have animals in your home -- pets or livestock -- this is their night. You
can do this rite as a stand-alone ritual, or tie it in to a multi-day
celebration of the harvest's end. Ritual to Honor Animals

Honoring the Ancestors at Samhain

In yesterday's lesson, we talked about creating an ancestor shrine at Samhain.
You can take that a step further by holding a ritual that specifically honors
your bloodline and your family. Samhain Ancestor Ritual

Samhain Ancestor Meditation

Samhain is known as the night when the veil between this world and the next is
at its thinnest. It's a time to sit back and honor the spirit world, and call
upon those ancestors who came before us. After all, if not for them, we wouldn't
be here. We owe them something, some gratitude for their ability to survive,
their strength, their spirit. Many Wiccans and Pagans choose Samhain as a time
to honor their ancestors. This ancestor meditation can help you get closer in
spirit to those who came before you. Ancestor Meditation

Is Halloween Anti-Pagan?

A reader is concerned that enjoying the fun of Halloween might be seen as
disrespectful to the solemnity of Samhain. So, it okay to enjoy both? Pagans and
Halloween

Tomorrow: Samhain Folklore and Legend

Ever wonder why we trick or treat? Tried to figure out what the point is behind
carving a pumpkin? Tomorrow, we'll look at some of the legends, folklore and
customs surrounding the Samhain season!

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It is Anti Pagan to Celebrate Halloween?

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All About Halloween.......Mwaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha

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I got this from another list. It was soooo good that i had to publish it here!
Enjoy! From Norm

Halloween is a holiday celebrated on the night of October 31, usually by
children dressing in costumes and going door-to-door collecting candy. It is
celebrated in much of the Western world, though most commonly in the United
States, the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, Canada and sometimes in
Australia and New Zealand. Irish, Scots and other immigrants brought older
versions of the tradition to North America in the 19th century. Most other
Western countries have embraced Halloween as a part of American pop culture in
the late 20th century.

The term "Halloween" derives from Hallowe'en, an old contraction, still retained
in Scotland and some parts of Canada, of "All Hallow's Eve," so called as it is
the day before All Saints day (observed by some Christians, including Roman
Catholics), which used to be called "All Hallows," derived from All Hallowed
Souls.

In Ireland, the name was Hallow Eve and this name is still used by some older
people. Halloween was formerly also sometimes called All Saints' Eve. The
holiday was a day of religious festivities in various northern European pagan
traditions, until it was appropriated by Christian missionaries (along with
Christmas and Easter, two other traditional northern European pagan holidays)
and given a Christian reinterpretation.

In Mexico, All Saint's Day, following Halloween, is the Day of the Dead.

Halloween is also called "Pooky Night" in some parts of Ireland, presumably
named after the puca, a mischievous spirit.

"Punkie Night" is observed on the last Thursday in October in the village of
Hinton St. George in the county of Somerset in England. On this night, children
carry lanterns made from hollowed-out mangel-wurzels (a kind of beet; in modern
days, pumpkins are used) with faces carved into them. They bring these around
the village, collecting money and singing the punkie song. 'Punkie' is derived
from 'pumpkin' or 'punk,' meaning 'tinder.'

Though the custom is only attested over the last century, and the mangel-wurzel
itself was introduced into English agriculture in the late 18th century, "Punkie
Night" appears to be much older even than the fable that now accounts for it.
The story goes that the wives of Hinton St. George went looking for their
wayward husbands at the fair held nearby at Chiselborough, the last Thursday in
October, but first hollowed out mangel wurzels in order to make lanterns to
light their way. The drunken husbands saw the eerie lights, thought they were
"goolies" (the restless spirits of children who had died before they were
baptized), and fled in terror. Children carry the punkies now. The event has
spread since about 1960 to the neighboring village of Chiselborough.

In the United Kingdom, the pagan Celts celebrated the Day of the Dead on
Halloween. The spirits supposedly rose from the dead and, in order to attract
them, food was left on the doors. To scare off the evil spirits, the Celts wore
masks. When the Romans invaded Britain, they embellished the tradition with
their own, which is the celebration of the harvest and honoring the dead.

These traditions were then passed on to the United States. Anoka, Minnesota,
USA, the self-proclaimed "Halloween Capital of the World," celebrates with a
large civic parade.

Halloween is sometimes associated with the occult. Many European cultural
traditions hold that Halloween is one of the "liminal" times of the year when
the spirit world can make contact with the natural world and when magic is most
potent.

Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain
(pronounced sow-in). It is the time between Samhain (pronounced "SOW-in" in
Ireland, SOW-een in Wales, "SAV-en" in Scotland or even "SAM-haine" in non
Gaelic speaking countries) and Brigid's Day "the period of little sun." Thus,
Samhain is often named the "Last Harvest" or "Summer's End". The Earth nods a
sad farewell to the God.

We know that He will once again be reborn of the Goddess and the cycle will
continue. This is the time of reflection, the time to honor the Ancients who
have gone on before us and the time of 'Seeing" (divination). As we contemplate
the Wheel of the Year, we come to recognize our own part in the eternal cycle of
Life.

While almost all Celtic based traditions recognize this Holiday as the end of
the "old" year, some groups do not celebrate the coming of the "new year" until
Yule. Some consider the time between Samhain and Yule as a time which does not
even exist on the Earthly plane. The "time which is no time" was considered in
the "old days" to be both very magickal and very dangerous. So even today, we
celebrate this Holiday with a mixture of joyous celebration and 'spine tingling"
reverence.

The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United
Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their New Year on November 1. This day
marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold
winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. They believed
that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the
living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated
Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to Earth.

In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the
presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic
priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent
on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of
comfort and direction during the long, dark winter. To commemorate the event,
Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and
animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities. During the celebration, the Celts
wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to
tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their
hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred
bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.

By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course
of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of
Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.

The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally
commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the
Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the
incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition
of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.

By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands.

In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1st as 'All Saints'
Day', a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the
pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related,
but church-sanctioned holiday.

The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle
English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night
of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween.

In 1000 A.D., the church made November 2 'All Souls' Day', a day to honor the
dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and
dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three
celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called
Hallowmas.

The American tradition of "trick-or-treating" probably dates back to the early
All Souls' Day parades in England.

During the festivities, poor citizens would beg for food and families would give
them pastries called "soul cakes" in return for their promise to pray for the
family's dead relatives.

The distribution of soul cakes was encouraged by the church as a way to replace
the ancient practice of leaving food and wine for roaming spirits. The practice,
which was referred to as "going a-souling" was eventually taken up by children
who would visit the houses in their neighborhood and be given ale, food, and
money.

The tradition of dressing in costume for Halloween followed European and Celtic
roots and traditions. On Halloween, when it was believed that ghosts came back
to the Earthly world, people thought that they would encounter ghosts if they
left their homes.

To avoid being recognized by these ghosts, people would wear masks when they
left their homes after dark so that the ghosts would mistake them for fellow
spirits. On Halloween, to keep ghosts away from their houses, people would place
bowls of food outside their homes to appease the ghosts and prevent them from
attempting to enter.

As European immigrants came to America, they brought their varied Halloween
customs with them. Because of the rigid Protestant belief systems that
characterized early New England, celebration of Halloween in colonial times was
extremely limited there. It was much more common in Maryland and the southern
colonies.

As the beliefs and customs of different European ethnic groups, as well as the
American Indians, meshed, a distinctly American version of Halloween began to
emerge. The first celebrations included "play parties," public events held to
celebrate the harvest, where neighbors would share stories of the dead, tell
each other's fortunes, dance, and sing. Colonial Halloween festivities also
featured the telling of ghost stories and mischief-making of all kinds. By the
middle of the nineteenth century, annual autumn festivities were common, but
Halloween was not yet celebrated everywhere in the country.

In the second half of the nineteenth century, America was flooded with new
immigrants. These new immigrants, especially the millions of Irish fleeing
Ireland's potato famine of 1846, helped to popularize the celebration of
Halloween nationally. Taking from Irish and English traditions, Americans began
to dress up in costumes and go house to house asking for food or money, a
practice that eventually became today's "trick-or-treat" tradition. Young women
believed that, on Halloween, they could divine the name or appearance of their
future husband by doing tricks with yarn, apple parings, or mirrors.

In the late 1800s, there was a move in America to mold Halloween into a holiday
more about community and neighborly get-togethers, than about ghosts, pranks,
and witchcraft. At the turn of the century, Halloween parties for both children
and adults became the most common way to celebrate the day. Parties focused on
games, foods of the season, and festive costumes. Parents were encouraged by
newspapers and community leaders to take anything "frightening" or "grotesque"
out of Halloween celebrations. Because of their efforts, Halloween lost most of
its superstitious and religious overtones by the beginning of the twentieth
century.

By the 1920s and 1930s, Halloween had become a secular, but community-centered
holiday, with parades and town-wide parties as the featured entertainment.
Despite the best efforts of many schools and communities, vandalism began to
plague Halloween celebrations in many communities during this time.

By the 1950s, town leaders had successfully limited vandalism and Halloween had
evolved into a holiday directed mainly at the young. Due to the high numbers of
young children during the fifties baby boom, parties moved from town civic
centers into the classroom or home, where they could be more easily
accommodated.

Between 1920 and 1950, the centuries-old practice of trick-or-treating was also
revived. Trick-or-treating was a relatively inexpensive way for an entire
community to share the Halloween celebration. In theory, families could also
prevent tricks being played on them by providing the neighborhood children with
small treats. A new American tradition was born, and it has continued to grow.

Today, Americans spend an estimated $6.9 billion annually on Halloween, making
it the country's second largest commercial holiday.

Religious Viewpoints

The majority of Christians ascribe no doctrinal significance to Halloween,
treating it as a purely secular entity devoted to celebrating imaginary spooks
and handing out candy. The secular celebration of Halloween may loom larger in
contemporary imagination than does All Saints' Day.

The mingling of Christian and pagan traditions in the development of Halloween,
and its real or assumed preoccupation with evil and the supernatural, have left
many modern Christians uncertain of how they should react towards the holiday.

Some fundamentalist and evangelical along with many Eastern Orthodox Christians
and Orthodox Jewish believers consider Halloween a pagan or Satanic holiday, and
refuse to allow their children to participate. In some areas, complaints from
fundamentalist Christians that the schools were endorsing a pagan religion have
led the schools to stop distributing UNICEF boxes at Halloween.

Other Christians, however, continue to connect the holiday with All Saints Day.
Some modern Christian churches commonly offer a "fall festival" or
harvest-themed alternative to Halloween celebrations.

Still other Christians hold the view that the holiday is not Satanic in origin
or practice and that it holds no threat to the spiritual lives of children:
being taught about death and mortality actually being a valuable life lesson.

Ironically, considering that most fundamentalist sects are Protestant in nature,
many Protestant denominations celebrate October 31 as Reformation Day, which
commemorates the October 31, 1517 posting of Martin Luther's Ninety-Five Theses.

Many mainline churches and religious schools, particularly Lutheran ones, meld
the two holidays without worrying about "Satanic influences."

Symbols of Halloween

Jack-o'-lanterns may be carved with a funny face. Halloween's theme is spooky or
scary things particularly involving death, black magic, or mythical monsters.

Commonly-associated Halloween characters include ghosts, witches, bats, black
cats, owls, goblins, zombies and demons, as well as certain fictional figures
like Dracula and Frankenstein's monster. Homes are often decorated with these
symbols around Halloween.

Black and orange are the traditional colors of Halloween. In modern Halloween
images and products, purple, green, and red are also prominent.

Elements of the autumn season, such as pumpkins and scarecrows, are also
reflected in symbols of Halloween.

The jack-o'-lantern, a carved vegetable lit by a candle inside, is one of
Halloween's most prominent symbols. In Britain and Ireland, a turnip was and
sometimes still is used, but immigrants to America quickly adopted the pumpkin
because it is much larger and easier to carve.

Many families that celebrate Halloween will carve a pumpkin into a scary or
comical face and place it on the home's doorstep on Halloween night for fun.
Traditionally, something like this was done in order to scare evil spirits away.

Halloween Customs

Observance of Halloween faded in the South of England from the 17th century
onwards, being replaced by the commemoration of the Gunpowder Plot on November
5. However it remained popular in Scotland, Ireland and the North of England. It
is only in the last decade that it again became popular in the South of England,
but as an entirely Americanized version.

The custom survives most accurately in Ireland, where the last Monday of October
is a public holiday. All schools close for the following week for mid-term,
commonly called the Halloween Break. As a result Ireland is the only country
where children never have school on Halloween and are therefore free to
celebrate it in the ancient and time-honored fashion.

The custom of trick-or-treating is thought to have evolved from the European
custom called souling, similar to the wassailing customs associated with Yule.
On November 2, All Souls' Day, beggars would walk from village to village
begging for "soul cakes" - square pieces of bread with currants.

Christians would promise to say prayers on behalf of dead relatives helping the
soul's passage to heaven. The distribution of soul cakes was encouraged by the
church as a way to replace the ancient practice of leaving food and wine for
roaming spirits at the Samhain.

In Celtic parts of western Brittany, Samhain is still heralded by the baking of
kornigou. Kornigou are cakes baked in the shape of antlers to commemorate the
god of winter shedding his "cuckold" horns as he returns to his kingdom in the
Otherworld.

12a.

Why do you love the Halloween Witch?

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM   chic0411

Sat Oct 9, 2010 6:42 pm (PDT)



Why do you love the Halloween Witch?

Describe what a witch really means to you?
Through out all the stories and fairytales,
what new perspectives do you have for the
Halloween Witch as we grow older?

(Keep it Real, isn't about traditions)

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13a.

Halloween Witch

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM   chic0411

Sat Oct 9, 2010 6:54 pm (PDT)



Halloween Witch

Each year they parade her about, the traditional Halloween Witch.
Misshapen green face, stringy scraps of hair, a toothless mouth
beneath her deformed nose. Gnarled knobby fingers twisted into a
claw protracting from a bent and twisted torso that lurches about on
wobbly legs. Most think this abject image to be the creation of a
prejudiced mind or merely a Halloween caricature. I disagree, I
believe this to be how Witches were really seen.

Consider that most Witches were women, were abducted in the night,
and smuggled into dungeons or prisons under the secrecy of darkness
to be presented by light of day as a confessed Witch. Few if any saw
a frightened normal looking woman being dragged into a secret room
filled with instruments of torture, to be questioned until she
confessed to anything suggested to her and to give names or what ever would stop
the questions.

Crowds saw the aberration denounced to the world as a self-proclaimed
Witch. As the Witch was paraded through town en route to be burned,
hanged, drowned, stoned or disposed of in various other forms of
Christian love all created to free and save her soul from her
depraved body, the jeering crowds viewed the results of hours of
torture. The face bruised and broken by countless blows bore a hue of
sickly green. The once warm and loving smile gone replaced by a
grimace of broken teeth and torn gums that leers beneath a battered
disfigured nose. The disheveled hair conceals bleeding gaps of torn
scalp from whence cruel hands had torn away the lovely tresses.
Broken twisted hands clutched the wagon for support, fractured
fingers with nails torn away locked like groping claws to steady her
broken body. All semblance of humanity gone this was truly a demon, a
bride of Satan, a Witch.

I revere this Halloween Crone and hold her sacred above all. I honor
her courage and listen to her warnings of the dark side of man. Each
year I shed tears of respect when the mundane exhibit their symbol of
Christian love.

Petals & Thorns

poetry by angel © 1993 - 1999

13b.

Re: Halloween Witch

Posted by: "grambadger@juno.com" grambadger@juno.com   ingram_jd

Sat Oct 9, 2010 10:54 pm (PDT)



revel in the candy
the children
the parties
the costumes
have fun, give death the day off
poke a little fun at him
Notice the abundant harvest, thankful there is enough to throw about, to give away.
Honor the day of the dead, all souls, samhain, sauin, what ever you like.
If this is the big day for Mars and Hershey, why shouldn't it be?
Celebrate the vale of tears, vail the veil by poking some fun at it.

This is our joyous religion
enjoy!

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14.

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Posted by: "susanc06@yahoo.com" susanc06@yahoo.com   susanc06

Sat Oct 9, 2010 7:46 pm (PDT)

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