luni, 4 octombrie 2010

[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4539

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1a.

I am new!

Posted by: "Igor Skoglund" iskoglund@yahoo.com   iskoglund

Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:08 am (PDT)



Hello!
I am new in the group. Could anyone be my guide?

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1b.

Re: I am new!

Posted by: "carteblanche13" carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au   carteblanche13

Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:51 am (PDT)



I have to say that there is likely to be more than one individual here who would like a pupil named "Igor".

Welcome!

C.B.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Igor Skoglund" <iskoglund@...> wrote:
>
> Hello!
> I am new in the group. Could anyone be my guide?
>

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2a.

Re: Picnic of The Damned

Posted by: "Jayson Bowe" jaysonbowe@gmail.com   jaybowe

Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:09 am (PDT)



LOL she said there was a little blood please explain I have so many smart
ass comment on this.
93

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:56 AM, carteblanche13 <
carteblanche13@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>
> "We went to a movie and then had a little picnic on a satanic altar."
>
> Christine, I'm shattered. I put so much effort into that "little picnic".
> There were baguettes with that amazing smoked salmon and a lovely provencal
> paste I made myself (garlic, olives, olive oil, parsley, lemon zest) with
> aged goat's brie, wild roquette that I grew myself, drizzled lightly in
> vintage caramelised balsamic I brought back from Modena - so good with the
> '93 Ch€  âteau La Tour de l'€  Év€  êque, which I could ill afford at the time. You
> even brought your ukulele, and I read some Keats as the hot-air ballons
> floated overhead and the whipoorwills crooned in the distant trees. Oh, how
> we laughed.
>
> But no, a "little picnic on a Satanic altar" is all you remember. FINE
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com <WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Tim Hartridge <ozpagan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Oh this is just too funny. Christine O'Donnell is a funnier and
> > happier looking version of Pauline Hanson, only she doesn't say
> > "Please explain" she happy to offer her own explanations.
> >
> > Like a lot of "conservative Christians" they claim some personal
> > knowledge of "Witchcraft", or as in O'Donnell's case to have actually
> > been a "Witch"; but what do they mean by these claims? Clearly their
> > "witchcraft" doesn't resemble, for example, anything familiar to the
> > Australian Pagan community's various descriptions of "Witchcraft".
> >
> > The Christine O'Donnell's of the world have dabbled in a pseudo-
> > Satanic-Buffy, a serialised psycho-sitcom replayed in their minds to
> > reinforce they are the 'good' guys in the white-hats, shooting it out
> > with the 'bad' guys wearing the black-pointy-hats.
> >
> > vinum sabbati,
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On 19/09/2010, at 10:51 AM, Brock Ulfsen wrote:
> >
> > > US Republican candidate and whackjob, Christine O'Donnell appeared in
> > > TV back in late October 1999 against Halloween.
> > >
> > > "I dabbled into witchcraft. I hung around people who were doing these
> > > things. I'm not making this stuff up. I know what they told me they
> > > do. One of my first dates with a witch was on a satanic altar and I
> > > didn't know it. I mean, there was a little blood there and stuff like
> > > that.
> > >
> > > We went to a movie and then had a little picnic on a satanic altar."
> > >
> > > [headdesk]
> > >
> > > Setup runs about 50 seconds...
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECxQUi_pr0&feature=player_embedded
> > >
> > > Host wants her on his show, will show a clip a week from the archives
> > > of stupid until she agrees to appear. I'd love to see someone that
> > > that approach here in Oz.
> >
>
>
>

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Experience Mystical Wonders

Posted by: "sitesweeper" sitesweeper@yahoo.com   sitesweeper

Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:17 am (PDT)



We have Free Psychic Readings, Free Paranormal Activity / Interdimensional Scans, Free Manifestation Requests, A Free Magick School and some other FREE stuff in the pipelines.

Take advantage of all these metaphysical goodies at
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Join this huge community of mystics, metaphyscians, occultists and adepts of all forms.

Discuss all mystical and spiritual topics.

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Art of magick

Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:58 am (PDT)



The National Gallery of Australian is currently running a remarkable
exhibition that features magick as expressed through traditional
creative arts. Many of the pieces are very rare and display the great
beauty and power to be found in 'fetish' objects -

"For thousands of years across mainland and island Southeast Asia the
deification of significant ancestors and the veneration of spirits of
nature have formed the basis of traditional beliefs. It has also been
the impetus for the creation of splendid and extraordinary works of
art in fibre, stone, metal, wood and clay€ ¢â' '´made to protect and give
pleasure to the living, to honour the ancestors and to secure safe
passage for the human soul between this world and the afterlife."

Learn more - http://nga.gov.au/Exhibition/LIFEDEATHMAGIC/

The exhibition runs (somewhat appropriately) to end month, finishing
October 31st.
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5a.

Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Wine review € ¦'¶ Penley's 2008  € ¦'³Aradia€ 

Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Sun Oct 3, 2010 6:23 am (PDT)




On 03/10/2010, at 7:27 PM, carteblanche13 wrote:

> Wine review €  '¶ Penley's 2008 "Aradia" Chardonnay...

Thanks so much CB for this interesting review. It has certainly whet
my appetite.

I must admit, any unusual or 'pagan' significant name to a wine has
on most occasions swayed my buying habits when trying to decide what
to try. And it seems to make perfect sense when looking for an
appropriate drop to choose when visiting other pagan devotees.

chin, chin, vinum sabbati,
Tim

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5b.

Re: Wine review € ¦'¶ Penley's 2008  € ¦'³Aradia€ ¦'´  Chardonnay

Posted by: "Frater Carfax" tzuflifu@yahoo.com   frater_carfax

Sun Oct 3, 2010 4:41 pm (PDT)




> I must admit, any unusual or 'pagan' significant name to a wine
> has on most occasions swayed my buying habits when trying to decide > what to try. And it seems to make perfect sense when looking for
> an appropriate drop to choose when visiting other pagan devotees.

Then please let me suggest the fruits of the labour of the Glaetzer family in the Barossa - who produce the fine Amon-Ra Shiraz and the Anaperenna Shiraz Cabernet (named after a Roman Goddess).

These are somewhat more pricey wines, at about $100 for the Amon Ra and about $50 for the Anaperenna - but they are worth it, harvested from dry grown, low yielding vines some decent age on them.

The Patriarch of the family Colin was the original creator of the Barossa Valley Estate Black Pepper Shiraz (one of my favourite Barossa reds) which is a Langton's Classified Wine (for those in the know about this) - so he is a master of his craft.

http://www.glaetzer.com/

LLL

Jonathan

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Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Wine review € ¦'¶ Penley's 2008  € ¦'³Arad

Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:14 pm (PDT)




On 04/10/2010, at 10:40 AM, Frater Carfax wrote:

> Then please let me suggest the fruits of the labour of the Glaetzer
> family in the Barossa - who produce the fine Amon-Ra Shiraz and the
> Anaperenna Shiraz Cabernet (named after a Roman Goddess).
>
> These are somewhat more pricey wines, at about $100 for the Amon Ra
> and about $50 for the Anaperenna - but they are worth it, harvested
> from dry grown, low yielding vines some decent age on them.
>
> The Patriarch of the family Colin was the original creator of the
> Barossa Valley Estate Black Pepper Shiraz (one of my favourite
> Barossa reds) which is a Langton's Classified Wine (for those in
> the know about this) - so he is a master of his craft.
>
> http://www.glaetzer.com/

Love the bottle designs - clean, minimalist and esoteric.

Although at these prices, maybe this accounts for why so many pagans
are skint.

PS - Speaking as graphic designer - I want the design gig for the
Glaetzer next creation!

bella vinum sabbati!
Tim

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No they are not 'potty' they are "Teapot Pagans"

Posted by: "Tim Hartridge" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Sun Oct 3, 2010 4:55 pm (PDT)



The Canberra based Teapot Pagans is a Pagan Collective that is
working to bring together Pagans across Australia and their annual
"Spring Gathering 2010" is set run from Friday 22 October to Saturday
24 October.

The "Spring Gathering 2010" hosts a variety of workshops, group
ritual and feast. Designed to help kick-start you out of Winter with
a spurt of Spring-time growth where you can come and enjoy new
friendships, personal growth and new knowledge through a variety of
workshops, and topping it off with the Sunday morning Market of
interesting witchy paraphernalia. And if you book by 10 October
there's an early-bird discount!

Learn more -
http://tpotpagans.webs.com/events.htm
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=91345555063

vinum sabbati,
Tim

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Australian Wiccan Conference 2011

Posted by: "circle_of_the_shadows" jess@tascommodores.com   circle_of_the_shadows

Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:58 pm (PDT)



***sorry for the cross posting if you receive this message more than once!***

After a fantastic trip to Perth in 2010, I am pleased to announce that the Australian Wiccan Conference 2011 will be hosted in Tasmania for only the second time in the Conference's long history!

We are very excited to be inviting Wiccans, Pagans, Witches and pagan-type people to 'Come Dance with the Devils in Tassie'!

The date has been set for Friday 16th, Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th September 2011.

Please check out our website for more information, and feel free to sign up to our mailing list to receive updates as they happen.

www.2011awc.com

Hope we see you in Tassie next year!

Blessings,
Jess Steers

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Re: Surviving Indo-European Pagans of Central Asia: Kalash:

Posted by: "Kerrie Adie" kerrielou@wildmail.com   kerrieadie@ymail.com

Sun Oct 3, 2010 6:07 pm (PDT)





".......However, they do in fact claim -all by themselves, without the
help of bleeding heart middle-class first-worlders- to be descendants of
the army of Alexander the Great. That's their own story. Alexander the
Great was, in fact, Greek (if that's okay with you). Therefore, ......."

Umm..... I thought he was Macedonian?? :)

Kerrie

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Re: Surviving Indo-European Pagans of Central Asia: Kalash:

Posted by: "Frater Carfax" tzuflifu@yahoo.com   frater_carfax

Sun Oct 3, 2010 9:45 pm (PDT)




Happy Spring CB.

> However, they do in fact claim -all by themselves, without the help > of bleeding heart middle-class first-worlders- to be descendants of > the army of Alexander the Great. That's their own story. Alexander > the Great was, in fact, Greek (if that's okay with you). Therefore, > there is an actual direct connection with Hellenic antiquity,
> literally, and according to their own customs and folklore -

Well, that depends on whether you regard the Army of Alexander in totality as emissaries of Hellenic culture, and if so to what degree.

There seems to be some agreement, from at least half reputable sources that one can google at a pinch anyway, that the Kalash culture is Indo-Iranian - including the religious structures - to greater or lesser degrees.

Now, this probably makes sense given Alexander conquering and having rulership of the Persian Empire.

But I guess this is the question I have not yet seen answered - what 'version' of Alexander's army do they have their connection to?

To be sure the initial force was primarily Macedonian/Hellenic - but of every colour and hue of Hellenic culture, a very broad cultural palette and not just "Greek".

As the campaigns grew and headed eastward the Persian contingent of the army grew enormously to be the dominant culture, with many of the Macedonian and Greek veterans being placed in garrisons or sent home around 324BC.

It is probably fair to say that Persia was in process of being Hellenised, but then it raises the question as to whether further Hellenisation on conquered peoples were "by proxy" of non-Hellenic military and to what degree, given the time often required for cultural adoption and integration to take. One reference I have encountered indicated that proper Hellenisation of conquered territories of Alexander in fact really did not occur until well after his death. There is also the point that there was general unhappiness amongst the Hellenic troops in Alexanders army in late years because of his preferential adoption of Persian dress and culture.

So, with regard to the Kalash and Alexanders Army - When did this contact occur? How did this contact occur? Was there conquest? Was there integration? And what cultures were of the greater influence? How was this an ongoing process? When did cultural isolation occur post-Empire?

On his basis - being "descendants of Alexanders Army" throws up many more questions to me than it answers - hence my personal confected outrage at cultural assumption, projection and interference.

There are in fact many of these cultural outposts around, and they do make fascinating reading and research - but of course have been subject to exploitation in various forms.

For example - the Yezidi of Iraq/Kurdistan have been the topic of much deplorable and inaccurate writings, not only by early Eurocentric historians, Islamic rulers but also by the Western occult writers who have concocted almost as many lies in order to justify certain esoteric theories.

LLL

Jonathan

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