Messages In This Digest (5 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Communicating With The Dead From: Tish
- 2a.
- Re: Facts and Figures From: Mark S Hepworth
- 2b.
- Re: Facts and Figures From: Brock Ulfsen
- 2c.
- Re: Facts and Figures From: Mark S Hepworth
- 3.
- Psychic Development Circle - Wollongong, 5/25/2011, 7:00 pm From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: Communicating With The Dead
Posted by: "Tish" deborahs23@optusnet.com.au morticia_its_me
Thu May 19, 2011 5:23 am (PDT)
Wow Bill I didn't even realise I had sent this to this group...heheheh..
man I gotta pay better attention..oh well that's old age for ya..hehehe..
this was meant for another group..
Obviously it was to go to a teaching group...:)0)
cheers Bill
Tish
-------Original Message-------
From: barbtrad
Date: 19/05/2011 9:55:39 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Communicating With The Dead
Interesting Tish!
However,I do think this guy is indulging in a bit of self promotion,,ie "if
anything goes wrong, I'm your friendly neighborhood Demonologist, exorcisms
at at hourly rate etc etc" But perhaps I'm being a bit cynical.
That aside, some of what he says is valid enough. Yes there are dangers and
I'd advise anyone without a solid belief system and a bit of training to be
very careful with any form of necromancy. Yes it has its dangers, but so
does crossing the road.
There are a few basic do's and dont's and providing these precautions are
used, a session on the Ouija board risks no more than the participants
needing a change of underwear if the vibrations build up unreleased
resulting in the glass/pointer flying across the room and breaking. If this
does happen, it most likely isn't because Satan himself has become manifest
in the room and is there to take you all off to the pit for eternity, No...
it an energy similar to that which causes poltergeist activity.
Do the spirits tell porkies? Oh yes indeed. It's a silly practitioner indeed
that takes as truth things that come through in such divination. Personally.
I believe the spirits do have senses of humour and enjoy pulling the piss
from wide eyed tyros attempting to be mediums.
Anyway thanks Tish..an interesting post.
Bill.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "Tish" <deborahs23@com ...> wrote:
>
> Communicating With
> The Dead
>
>
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- 2a.
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Re: Facts and Figures
Posted by: "Mark S Hepworth" mits@parraletic.net mitswitchlist
Thu May 19, 2011 3:43 pm (PDT)
Hi Brock,
That is a great idea, but I think we should wait for the next census
being as it is so close (August 9th, 2011).
On the pagandash.org.au website I have a link to the HREOC report that
came out in March, this report actually lists the overview of Nature
Based Religions (Pagans, Wiccan and Other) from the last 3 Census.
Looking at the data as well as the Australian Standard Classification of
Religious Groups (ASCRG) details before the 2006 census, and that is
being used for the 2011 census. The Categories are listed as
613x Nature Based religions.
* 6133 Paganism
* 6135 Wiccan/Witchcraft (which includes the responses of Wiccan /
Witchcraft / Gardnerian / Alexandrian / Witch)
The data from the HREOC report show 16,000 responded as Pagan and 8,000
in the Wiccan Witchcraft section and 6,000 in the other categories
listed under 613x.
It would be great to have the ASCRG updated for the 2011 census, if we
could have a breakdown along the same lines as the English
http://www.pagandash.org/categories but at the moment we%20Sheet1. pdf,
can't and the only way to change that is with weight of numbers during
this Census.
I know it is my intention to get the data from the next census, and I am
happy to hear that people will pitch in. Right now I am focusing on the
Census date, and after that we can talk about raising funds to pay for a
set of the data and allow us to analyse, I am quite sure that we will
not only need funds to purchase the data but time and energies of
volunteers to process the data in to something meaningful. I think we do
have members of the community that could help us at that I just hope we
can engage them.
Regards,
Mark Hepworth
On 16/05/2011 12:04 PM, Brock Ulfsen wrote:
> Maybe we should pass the hat around, last I looked the full data was a
> few hundred dollars.
>
> Would also enable checking some other things like just how many near-
> miss entries are not being counted. Some groups have a half dozen of
> their top mispellings also tallying. Pagans don't even have a half
> dozen wiccan traditions listed.
>
> ...Brock.
> (I'd be willing to toss in $10 or $20)
>
>
> On 16/05/2011, at 11:54 AM, adeintheshade@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott - start with the ABS breakdowns - here's a sample from the
>> 2006 yearbook:
>>
>> http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/ !OpenDocumentabs@.nsf/ 46d1bc47ac9d0c7b ca256c470025ff87 /bfdda1ca506d6cf aca2570de0014496 e
>>
>> If you want more detailed analysis sometimes it's worth buying the
>> data set and running some of your own analysis as the ABS doesn't
>> produce reports on all data in as much detail as you always want.
>>
>> Hope that helps
>> Adrianne
>>
>> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "scott_bisseker"com
>> <nu_scott@...> wrote:
>>> Greetings All,
>>>
>>> Given that it isn't really my field, does anyone know where there
>> is a credible relatively recent breakdown (census or poll wise) of
>> religious numbers in Australia or even better - a break down state
>> by state?
>>> Subsisto
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
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- 2b.
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Re: Facts and Figures
Posted by: "Brock Ulfsen" brockulfsen@yahoo.com.au brockulfsen
Thu May 19, 2011 4:19 pm (PDT)
We will never achieve the numbers to automatically get listed and in
extensive email ping pong with ABS it is always the wrong time to add
more names of Wiccan Trads, let alone kinds of pagan.
In addition, they will not answer direct questions on exactly how a
string like "PAGAN - REFORMING" will be tallied. Apparently "PAGAN -
ALEXANDRIAN" will *probably* be treated as exactly the same as
"ALEXANDRIAN", because they go with the most specific category.
Which I find ironic given the recent report on discrimination against
pagans, and the presence in the ASCRG of dozens of close misspellings
for various Christian groups.
So from what I've been able to piece together, whatever happens, we
will need to pay for the whole block of millions of "write in"
religion terms and do our own processing to find all the unique
strings. That includes making our own data dictionary with
misspellings and exclusions. We have to not count ANTI-PAGAN as PAGAN,
but probable should count the 75 people who's entry is miskeyed as
PAGON. Not to mention the dozens of potential misspellings and
misreadings of Gardinarian.
Could be very informative as to the real workings of the ABS's
processing of "PAGAN -" entries.
...Brock.
On 20/05/2011, at 8:43 AM, Mark S Hepworth wrote:
> Hi Brock,
>
> That is a great idea, but I think we should wait for the next census
> being as it is so close (August 9th, 2011).
>
> On the pagandash.org.au website I have a link to the HREOC report that
> came out in March, this report actually lists the overview of Nature
> Based Religions (Pagans, Wiccan and Other) from the last 3 Census.
>
> Looking at the data as well as the Australian Standard
> Classification of
> Religious Groups (ASCRG) details before the 2006 census, and that is
> being used for the 2011 census. The Categories are listed as
>
> 613x Nature Based religions.
>
> * 6133 Paganism
> * 6135 Wiccan/Witchcraft (which includes the responses of Wiccan /
> Witchcraft / Gardnerian / Alexandrian / Witch)
>
> The data from the HREOC report show 16,000 responded as Pagan and
> 8,000
> in the Wiccan Witchcraft section and 6,000 in the other categories
> listed under 613x.
>
> It would be great to have the ASCRG updated for the 2011 census, if we
> could have a breakdown along the same lines as the English
> http://www.pagandash.org/categories but at the moment we%20Sheet1. pdf,
> can't and the only way to change that is with weight of numbers during
> this Census.
>
> I know it is my intention to get the data from the next census, and
> I am
> happy to hear that people will pitch in. Right now I am focusing on
> the
> Census date, and after that we can talk about raising funds to pay
> for a
> set of the data and allow us to analyse, I am quite sure that we will
> not only need funds to purchase the data but time and energies of
> volunteers to process the data in to something meaningful. I think
> we do
> have members of the community that could help us at that I just hope
> we
> can engage them.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Hepworth
>
> On 16/05/2011 12:04 PM, Brock Ulfsen wrote:
> > Maybe we should pass the hat around, last I looked the full data
> was a
> > few hundred dollars.
> >
> > Would also enable checking some other things like just how many
> near-
> > miss entries are not being counted. Some groups have a half dozen of
> > their top mispellings also tallying. Pagans don't even have a half
> > dozen wiccan traditions listed.
> >
> > ...Brock.
> > (I'd be willing to toss in $10 or $20)
> >
> >
> > On 16/05/2011, at 11:54 AM, adeintheshade@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Scott - start with the ABS breakdowns - here's a sample from the
> >> 2006 yearbook:
> >>
> >>http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/ !OpenDocumentabs@.nsf/ 46d1bc47ac9d0c7b ca256c470025ff87 /bfdda1ca506d6cf aca2570de0014496 e
> >>
> >> If you want more detailed analysis sometimes it's worth buying the
> >> data set and running some of your own analysis as the ABS doesn't
> >> produce reports on all data in as much detail as you always want.
> >>
> >> Hope that helps
> >> Adrianne
> >>
> >> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "scott_bisseker"com
> >> <nu_scott@...> wrote:
> >>> Greetings All,
> >>>
> >>> Given that it isn't really my field, does anyone know where there
> >> is a credible relatively recent breakdown (census or poll wise) of
> >> religious numbers in Australia or even better - a break down state
> >> by state?
> >>> Subsisto
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --------------------- --------- ------
> >
> > ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
> >
> > Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
> > http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
> >
> > Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
> >
> > WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> > several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
> > http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
> > http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> > _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> >
> > The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> > tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> > communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
> > Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
> > to these principles& to notify owner.
> >
> > info@witchesworkshop.com
> > _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
- 2c.
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Re: Facts and Figures
Posted by: "Mark S Hepworth" mits@parraletic.net mitswitchlist
Thu May 19, 2011 4:40 pm (PDT)
Hello Brock,
Indeed that will be the only real way to know for sure, if we double
check the ABS's data. I just don't know if we will have the resources
for that. The problem for the ABS over these last 5 years is that their
budget has also been slashed, that is why there are no new questions on
this census (apparently).
But you are correct, in your analysis of what the ABS has said to many
people that have asked about the "Pagan -" response, in that "Pagan -"
and a known answer (The Wiccan one I listed before, or others found in
the ASCRG listed on the pagandash.org.au website
http://www.pagandash.org.au/ ) will be seen as acontent/faq
clarification while, "Pagan -" a non known entry in the ASCRG will most
probably be listed as 6133 Pagan but maybe not.
My reading on this subject over the last few months, has also show that
to get a listing requires 300 responses. Having a look at the ASCRG
listing of 6137 Nature Religions, nec, you can see some very interesting
and specific listings.
Having said all of that, for PAN's current pagandash.org.au website, I
am less focused on getting the categories changed for now, that is
something for after the census as we can't change things this time
around. The main concern is in relation to the HREOC report and its
findings on Pagan's feeling discriminated against and other faiths
opinions of Pagan's as a whole.
With these findings I am concerned that Pagan's won't write their true
faith on the Census, indeed their fear will make them leave it blank or
write something like no religion. These are the people I hope to get
writing at least pagan on their census, and for that I need those of us
that are happy enough to write it, to speak with those we know who are
fellow travellers but not on "out in the open" and convince them it is
safe. I will be working on some articles about that for the site and
other publications leading up to the census, in relation to the safety
of the response on the census.
I don't think the listing of 30,000 pagans is an actual increase in
Pagans, I think with a growing acceptance in Pagan Paths, more pagans
are happy and feel safe enough to write it on their census form.
Regards,
Mark Hepworth
On 20/05/2011 9:19 AM, Brock Ulfsen wrote:
> We will never achieve the numbers to automatically get listed and in
> extensive email ping pong with ABS it is always the wrong time to add
> more names of Wiccan Trads, let alone kinds of pagan.
>
> In addition, they will not answer direct questions on exactly how a
> string like "PAGAN - REFORMING" will be tallied. Apparently "PAGAN -
> ALEXANDRIAN" will *probably* be treated as exactly the same as
> "ALEXANDRIAN", because they go with the most specific category.
>
> Which I find ironic given the recent report on discrimination against
> pagans, and the presence in the ASCRG of dozens of close misspellings
> for various Christian groups.
>
> So from what I've been able to piece together, whatever happens, we
> will need to pay for the whole block of millions of "write in"
> religion terms and do our own processing to find all the unique
> strings. That includes making our own data dictionary with
> misspellings and exclusions. We have to not count ANTI-PAGAN as PAGAN,
> but probable should count the 75 people who's entry is miskeyed as
> PAGON. Not to mention the dozens of potential misspellings and
> misreadings of Gardinarian.
>
> Could be very informative as to the real workings of the ABS's
> processing of "PAGAN -" entries.
>
> ...Brock.
>
> On 20/05/2011, at 8:43 AM, Mark S Hepworth wrote:
>
>> Hi Brock,
>>
>> That is a great idea, but I think we should wait for the next census
>> being as it is so close (August 9th, 2011).
>>
>> On the pagandash.org.au website I have a link to the HREOC report that
>> came out in March, this report actually lists the overview of Nature
>> Based Religions (Pagans, Wiccan and Other) from the last 3 Census.
>>
>> Looking at the data as well as the Australian Standard
>> Classification of
>> Religious Groups (ASCRG) details before the 2006 census, and that is
>> being used for the 2011 census. The Categories are listed as
>>
>> 613x Nature Based religions.
>>
>> * 6133 Paganism
>> * 6135 Wiccan/Witchcraft (which includes the responses of Wiccan /
>> Witchcraft / Gardnerian / Alexandrian / Witch)
>>
>> The data from the HREOC report show 16,000 responded as Pagan and
>> 8,000
>> in the Wiccan Witchcraft section and 6,000 in the other categories
>> listed under 613x.
>>
>> It would be great to have the ASCRG updated for the 2011 census, if we
>> could have a breakdown along the same lines as the English
>> http://www.pagandash.org/categories but at the moment we%20Sheet1. pdf,
>> can't and the only way to change that is with weight of numbers during
>> this Census.
>>
>> I know it is my intention to get the data from the next census, and
>> I am
>> happy to hear that people will pitch in. Right now I am focusing on
>> the
>> Census date, and after that we can talk about raising funds to pay
>> for a
>> set of the data and allow us to analyse, I am quite sure that we will
>> not only need funds to purchase the data but time and energies of
>> volunteers to process the data in to something meaningful. I think
>> we do
>> have members of the community that could help us at that I just hope
>> we
>> can engage them.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark Hepworth
>>
>> On 16/05/2011 12:04 PM, Brock Ulfsen wrote:
>>> Maybe we should pass the hat around, last I looked the full data
>> was a
>>> few hundred dollars.
>>>
>>> Would also enable checking some other things like just how many
>> near-
>>> miss entries are not being counted. Some groups have a half dozen of
>>> their top mispellings also tallying. Pagans don't even have a half
>>> dozen wiccan traditions listed.
>>>
>>> ...Brock.
>>> (I'd be willing to toss in $10 or $20)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/05/2011, at 11:54 AM, adeintheshade@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Scott - start with the ABS breakdowns - here's a sample from the
>>>> 2006 yearbook:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/ !OpenDocumentabs@.nsf/ 46d1bc47ac9d0c7b ca256c470025ff87 /bfdda1ca506d6cf aca2570de0014496 e
>>>>
>>>> If you want more detailed analysis sometimes it's worth buying the
>>>> data set and running some of your own analysis as the ABS doesn't
>>>> produce reports on all data in as much detail as you always want.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps
>>>> Adrianne
>>>>
>>>> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups. , "scott_bisseker"com
>>>> <nu_scott@...> wrote:
>>>>> Greetings All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that it isn't really my field, does anyone know where there
>>>> is a credible relatively recent breakdown (census or poll wise) of
>>>> religious numbers in Australia or even better - a break down state
>>>> by state?
>>>>> Subsisto
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------- --------- ------
>>>
>>> ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
>>>
>>> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
>>> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>>>
>>> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>>>
>>> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
>>> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
>>> http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
>>> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
>>> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>>>
>>> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
>>> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
>>> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
>>> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
>>> to these principles& to notify owner.
>>>
>>> info@witchesworkshop.com
>>> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
> ____________________ ooo)(0({O})0) (ooo_____ _________ ______
>
> Witches Workshop hold regular workshops see
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com/ Circle/circle_ workshop. html
>
> Keep up to date via our WitchesWorshop Facebook Page:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/ Sydney-Australia /WitchesWorkshop /135651219624
>
> WitchesWorkshop and Witch Camp Australia also run camps
> several times a year - check out our websites for updates.
> http://www.witchcampaustralia. org.au
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> The WitchesWorkshop egroup holds the expectation that a
> tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
> communication with other pagans, witches magicians, et al.
> Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
> to these principles& to notify owner.
>
> info@witchesworkshop.com
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Members are encouraged to challenge anyone not adhering
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tolerant and respectful dialogue be strived for in our
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