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Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "a2zamethyst58" amethyst@oakandmistletoe.com.au   a2zamethyst58

Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:43 am (PDT)



Thanks Tim, appreciated.
Happy to answer your questions and great ones they are. I'd also like to point out that when I first made the submission to the ATO last year, I naively assumed that many other Wiccan groups had done it before and that we were just following suit. I stupidly assumed that the ATO would see Wicca as a legit religion just like any other religion and had absolutely no idea I was breaking new ground.
To answer your questions. You asked... Does this mean you will be recognised as a pagan religious institution? What do you feel this will mean for "Community Church of Inclusive Wicca Inc."?
Good question. I've asked the ATO for income tax concessions as a religious organisation as well as for the ability to allow anyone who donates to claim their donation as a tax deductable donation on their own tax returns just like World Vision, Salvation Army and the myriad of other organisations that many of us donate to and then claim against our personal tax returns.
A point of clarification for folks is that I've clearly stated "Wicca" as opposed to "Pagan" on the application as that focuses precisely on the religion supported by the Community Church of Wicca Inc. (cciwi) Apparently the ATO have never accepted Wicca as a legit religion before hence the length of time it's taken for the global investigation the ATO have done.
It means that the ATO will recognise cciwi as a Wiccan (not Pagan per se but by association) religious institution but more importantly it means the ATO will recognise Wicca as a religion which will allow other Wiccan groups to follow suit and claim taxations concessions as well if they meet the practical requirements.
What does it mean for cciwi? Financially it means we would not have to pay as much tax on any "income" we receive. Our main source of income is donations and membership fees and it would be fair to say that the income we receive barely covers the costs of the services we give back to the Wiccan/Pagan community but not having to pay as much tax on the miniscule money we do raise is a bonus.
In addition, it also means we may receive more donations because people will be able to claim their donations against their personal tax return. To be honest, financially speaking it will mean squat as we have such a tiny income anyway but it may help our legitimacy in the religious landscape and it does raise the equality bar for Wicca.
You also asked... "...ATO has not up until this point recognised Paganism as a valid religion under the existing interpretation of the taxation laws". What has changed to help make the difference?
Again I would just clarify that the ATO is looking primarily at Wicca as the religion but with Paganism also by association. The ATO tells me that the court case in the Eastern states a couple of years ago in which the judge declared Wicca a religion did allot of good for our case. In addition, the recent change in the UK for the acceptance of Druidism also helped I'm told. I also had to answer a considerable barrage of questions over the last year about the fundamental tenets of Wicca as a religion from cciwi's point of view. I had to tell them about the central paradigms of Wicca (from cciwi's point of view I hasten to add which reflect a more eclectic rather than traditional form of Wicca). Things like the Rede, Law of Return and so forth. I also had to explain to them the 7 tenets that are the fundamentals of cciwi which uphold Wiccan principles and also supply cciwi's constitution. I also had to show them how Wicca is followed as a religion round the world and I had to explain to them how we view deity under the legal terminology of "higher existence". Lastly I had to show that we have a significant membership (what they called a congregation) base and that we run a legitimate incorporation with an elected leadership council and so forth. It has been a tonne of work I can tell you!
I would point out if I may that my submission to the ATO explored and explained Wicca from cciwi's point of view which while eclectic I'd say we're also fairly representative of mainstream Wicca. With that said, let me reinforce that I do not see it as the representation of everyone's Wicca and I've made that very clear to the ATO. I have explained that like mainstream religions, we are just one "denomination" (their language) and that other practitioners will probably follow the same basic tenets but their practice will probably be different to ours.
So for all Wiccans and of course by default Pagans, if it finally gets accepted this month after a year of discussions, it means many other Wiccan and by association Pagan groups will hopefully have a clearer run at tax concession. In fact that's what the ATO said to me this morning and why they are making sure they cross all the t's and dot all the i's as they expect a flood of similar applications if it is successful. Here's hoping!
Smiles, Amethyst
www.cciwi.org
www.oakandmistletoe.com.au

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Tim Hartridge <ozpagan@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/2010, at 12:02 PM, a2zamethyst58 wrote:
>
> > Apologies for any cross posting but this is potentially important
> > for all Pagan groups in Australia. I thought you all might like to
> > know of the hopeful breakthrough in terms of recognition of
> > Paganism with the Australia Taxation office. Fingers crossed
> > everyone please for a positive outcome hopefully by the end of
> > October as it has ramifications and potential benefits for all
> > Pagan groups.
> >
>
> Congratulations Amethyst (I hope).
>
> In the future you might need a tax-deductible PR consultant to help
> put together press releases (joke).
>
> I do have a few serious questions though.
>
> Does this mean you will be recognised as a pagan religious
> institution? What do you feel this will mean for "Community Church of
> Inclusive Wicca Inc."?
>
> You mention that the "...ATO has not up until this point recognised
> Paganism as a valid religion under the existing interpretation of the
> taxation laws". What has changed to help make the difference.
>
> I'm sure the pagan community at large, as well as others who do run
> various pagan church and community groups are going to be very
> interested in supporting this.
>
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim Hartridge <moderator>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WitchesWorkshop/
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> http://www.witchcampaustralia.org.au
>

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Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "David Garland" paninc@optushome.com.au   djkgarland

Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:12 am (PDT)



Hi Amethyst,

Just to clarify, you have applied to become a Deductable Gift Recipient (DGR) so that people can claim on their tax for any donations that they have made to your organisation?

You have also applied for your Incorporated Association to be income tax exempt as a religious institution, so that you do not have to pay tax as an employee of the association?

Neither of these will mean that the ATO will recognise Wicca as a religion, they will recognise your organisation as a religious institution, there is a huge difference, as a federal department the ATO is not allowed to recognise a religion under chapter 5 section 116 of the Australian Constitution. It is a very fine point that needs to be made clear that it is your institution CCIWI that is being recognised and not the Religion.

Any not for profit group can apply not to pay tax on the income they make, PAN Inc has never had to pay tax in its 13 years and we have a turnover of close to 50K a year. We would only have to pay tax if we paid the people on the board and that would be payroll and income tax.

I am not sure but I think the Church of Wicca was the first recognised Wiccan Church in Australia in the late 80's and they may have, I can not confirm it, obtained the tax breaks associated with it, but alas the Church folded many years ago.

All of this aside I wish you well in your endeavours, and await with anticipation on your final response from the ATO.

L&L
David

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From: a2zamethyst58
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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Thanks Tim, appreciated.
Happy to answer your questions and great ones they are. I'd also like to point out that when I first made the submission to the ATO last year, I naively assumed that many other Wiccan groups had done it before and that we were just following suit. I stupidly assumed that the ATO would see Wicca as a legit religion just like any other religion and had absolutely no idea I was breaking new ground.
To answer your questions. You asked... Does this mean you will be recognised as a pagan religious institution? What do you feel this will mean for "Community Church of Inclusive Wicca Inc."?
Good question. I've asked the ATO for income tax concessions as a religious organisation as well as for the ability to allow anyone who donates to claim their donation as a tax deductable donation on their own tax returns just like World Vision, Salvation Army and the myriad of other organisations that many of us donate to and then claim against our personal tax returns.
A point of clarification for folks is that I've clearly stated "Wicca" as opposed to "Pagan" on the application as that focuses precisely on the religion supported by the Community Church of Wicca Inc. (cciwi) Apparently the ATO have never accepted Wicca as a legit religion before hence the length of time it's taken for the global investigation the ATO have done.
It means that the ATO will recognise cciwi as a Wiccan (not Pagan per se but by association) religious institution but more importantly it means the ATO will recognise Wicca as a religion which will allow other Wiccan groups to follow suit and claim taxations concessions as well if they meet the practical requirements.
What does it mean for cciwi? Financially it means we would not have to pay as much tax on any "income" we receive. Our main source of income is donations and membership fees and it would be fair to say that the income we receive barely covers the costs of the services we give back to the Wiccan/Pagan community but not having to pay as much tax on the miniscule money we do raise is a bonus.
In addition, it also means we may receive more donations because people will be able to claim their donations against their personal tax return. To be honest, financially speaking it will mean squat as we have such a tiny income anyway but it may help our legitimacy in the religious landscape and it does raise the equality bar for Wicca.
You also asked... "...ATO has not up until this point recognised Paganism as a valid religion under the existing interpretation of the taxation laws". What has changed to help make the difference?
Again I would just clarify that the ATO is looking primarily at Wicca as the religion but with Paganism also by association. The ATO tells me that the court case in the Eastern states a couple of years ago in which the judge declared Wicca a religion did allot of good for our case. In addition, the recent change in the UK for the acceptance of Druidism also helped I'm told. I also had to answer a considerable barrage of questions over the last year about the fundamental tenets of Wicca as a religion from cciwi's point of view. I had to tell them about the central paradigms of Wicca (from cciwi's point of view I hasten to add which reflect a more eclectic rather than traditional form of Wicca). Things like the Rede, Law of Return and so forth. I also had to explain to them the 7 tenets that are the fundamentals of cciwi which uphold Wiccan principles and also supply cciwi's constitution. I also had to show them how Wicca is followed as a religion round the world and I had to explain to them how we view deity under the legal terminology of "higher existence". Lastly I had to show that we have a significant membership (what they called a congregation) base and that we run a legitimate incorporation with an elected leadership council and so forth. It has been a tonne of work I can tell you!
I would point out if I may that my submission to the ATO explored and explained Wicca from cciwi's point of view which while eclectic I'd say we're also fairly representative of mainstream Wicca. With that said, let me reinforce that I do not see it as the representation of everyone's Wicca and I've made that very clear to the ATO. I have explained that like mainstream religions, we are just one "denomination" (their language) and that other practitioners will probably follow the same basic tenets but their practice will probably be different to ours.
So for all Wiccans and of course by default Pagans, if it finally gets accepted this month after a year of discussions, it means many other Wiccan and by association Pagan groups will hopefully have a clearer run at tax concession. In fact that's what the ATO said to me this morning and why they are making sure they cross all the t's and dot all the i's as they expect a flood of similar applications if it is successful. Here's hoping!
Smiles, Amethyst
www.cciwi.org
www.oakandmistletoe.com.au

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Tim Hartridge <ozpagan@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/2010, at 12:02 PM, a2zamethyst58 wrote:
>
> > Apologies for any cross posting but this is potentially important
> > for all Pagan groups in Australia. I thought you all might like to
> > know of the hopeful breakthrough in terms of recognition of
> > Paganism with the Australia Taxation office. Fingers crossed
> > everyone please for a positive outcome hopefully by the end of
> > October as it has ramifications and potential benefits for all
> > Pagan groups.
> >
>
> Congratulations Amethyst (I hope).
>
> In the future you might need a tax-deductible PR consultant to help
> put together press releases (joke).
>
> I do have a few serious questions though.
>
> Does this mean you will be recognised as a pagan religious
> institution? What do you feel this will mean for "Community Church of
> Inclusive Wicca Inc."?
>
> You mention that the "...ATO has not up until this point recognised
> Paganism as a valid religion under the existing interpretation of the
> taxation laws". What has changed to help make the difference.
>
> I'm sure the pagan community at large, as well as others who do run
> various pagan church and community groups are going to be very
> interested in supporting this.
>
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim Hartridge <moderator>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WitchesWorkshop/
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> http://www.witchcampaustralia.org.au
>

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Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "frances_tdm" lunanoire1@adam.com.au   frances_tdm

Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:30 pm (PDT)



Greetigns Amethyst et all

Amethyst wrote:

> .... when I first made the submission to the ATO last year, I naively assumed that many other Wiccan groups had done it before

By this comment, I take it you are referring to covens as opposed to actual Pagan organisations such as PAN Inc, CAW, or even PASA etc. The answer to your assumption may lie in the fact that the majority of covens (at least that I am aware of or have been a part of) have been a tad too small to constitute a "congregation" in the eyes of the ATO, and whose members have not been at all interested in claiming tax exceptions etc

> I stupidly assumed that the ATO would see Wicca as a legit religion

David has already pointed out that this aspect falls under the Australian Constitution - the only area the ATO has any pull is with respect to taxation.

> A point of clarification for folks is that I've clearly stated "Wicca" as opposed to "Pagan" on the application

Is this "Wicca" with respect to your own personal interpretation and thus how you have shaped your "church"? Or have you used some generalisation of what Wicca is? I ask because if you are, as you have stated, about to set precedents etc (even with respect to taxation law), would this then mean that any subsequent Wiccn groups would need to adopt the description of your own "church"?

> ... the income we receive barely covers the costs of the services we give back to the Wiccan/Pagan community

What services are these as I haven't seen any mentioned saved for what has been held at your place and the upcoming Bealtaine event?

I don't know about your tradition/church, Amethyst, but as a HPs in my tradition I see part of my role is to be "of service" and therefore to serve. Yes, often this comes at a personal financial cost, but that is a small price to pay when you are "in service". Rarely do I get donations for the public gatherings I host and been running for a number of years. I hold these gatherings because it is part of my "service".

I don't really understand your push for this taxation exemption, recognition etc but hey, if it's what you want, then all the best. Just make sure you specify these requirements relate to your "church" only and to be taken as a general assumption across the board - as I do have a Wiccan group. Further, as you are no doubt aware, very capable of speaking for myself.

BB - Frances

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Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "John Elder" jelder@theage.com.au

Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:56 pm (PDT)



Hi David

John Elder here from The Sunday Age. we're keen to run a piece on this usse. Can you get in touch please? And any other interested parties? jelder@theage.com.au<mailto:jelder@theage.com.au>

cheers

John

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From: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com [WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Garland [paninc@optushome.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 9:12 PM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Hi Amethyst,

Just to clarify, you have applied to become a Deductable Gift Recipient (DGR) so that people can claim on their tax for any donations that they have made to your organisation?

You have also applied for your Incorporated Association to be income tax exempt as a religious institution, so that you do not have to pay tax as an employee of the association?

Neither of these will mean that the ATO will recognise Wicca as a religion, they will recognise your organisation as a religious institution, there is a huge difference, as a federal department the ATO is not allowed to recognise a religion under chapter 5 section 116 of the Australian Constitution. It is a very fine point that needs to be made clear that it is your institution CCIWI that is being recognised and not the Religion.

Any not for profit group can apply not to pay tax on the income they make, PAN Inc has never had to pay tax in its 13 years and we have a turnover of close to 50K a year. We would only have to pay tax if we paid the people on the board and that would be payroll and income tax.

I am not sure but I think the Church of Wicca was the first recognised Wiccan Church in Australia in the late 80's and they may have, I can not confirm it, obtained the tax breaks associated with it, but alas the Church folded many years ago.

All of this aside I wish you well in your endeavours, and await with anticipation on your final response from the ATO.

L&L
David

----- Original Message -----
From: a2zamethyst58
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Thanks Tim, appreciated.
Happy to answer your questions and great ones they are. I'd also like to point out that when I first made the submission to the ATO last year, I naively assumed that many other Wiccan groups had done it before and that we were just following suit. I stupidly assumed that the ATO would see Wicca as a legit religion just like any other religion and had absolutely no idea I was breaking new ground.
To answer your questions. You asked... Does this mean you will be recognised as a pagan religious institution? What do you feel this will mean for "Community Church of Inclusive Wicca Inc."?
Good question. I've asked the ATO for income tax concessions as a religious organisation as well as for the ability to allow anyone who donates to claim their donation as a tax deductable donation on their own tax returns just like World Vision, Salvation Army and the myriad of other organisations that many of us donate to and then claim against our personal tax returns.
A point of clarification for folks is that I've clearly stated "Wicca" as opposed to "Pagan" on the application as that focuses precisely on the religion supported by the Community Church of Wicca Inc. (cciwi) Apparently the ATO have never accepted Wicca as a legit religion before hence the length of time it's taken for the global investigation the ATO have done.
It means that the ATO will recognise cciwi as a Wiccan (not Pagan per se but by association) religious institution but more importantly it means the ATO will recognise Wicca as a religion which will allow other Wiccan groups to follow suit and claim taxations concessions as well if they meet the practical requirements.
What does it mean for cciwi? Financially it means we would not have to pay as much tax on any "income" we receive. Our main source of income is donations and membership fees and it would be fair to say that the income we receive barely covers the costs of the services we give back to the Wiccan/Pagan community but not having to pay as much tax on the miniscule money we do raise is a bonus.
In addition, it also means we may receive more donations because people will be able to claim their donations against their personal tax return. To be honest, financially speaking it will mean squat as we have such a tiny income anyway but it may help our legitimacy in the religious landscape and it does raise the equality bar for Wicca.
You also asked... "...ATO has not up until this point recognised Paganism as a valid religion under the existing interpretation of the taxation laws". What has changed to help make the difference?
Again I would just clarify that the ATO is looking primarily at Wicca as the religion but with Paganism also by association. The ATO tells me that the court case in the Eastern states a couple of years ago in which the judge declared Wicca a religion did allot of good for our case. In addition, the recent change in the UK for the acceptance of Druidism also helped I'm told. I also had to answer a considerable barrage of questions over the last year about the fundamental tenets of Wicca as a religion from cciwi's point of view. I had to tell them about the central paradigms of Wicca (from cciwi's point of view I hasten to add which reflect a more eclectic rather than traditional form of Wicca). Things like the Rede, Law of Return and so forth. I also had to explain to them the 7 tenets that are the fundamentals of cciwi which uphold Wiccan principles and also supply cciwi's constitution. I also had to show them how Wicca is followed as a religion round the world and I had to explain to them how we view deity under the legal terminology of "higher existence". Lastly I had to show that we have a significant membership (what they called a congregation) base and that we run a legitimate incorporation with an elected leadership council and so forth. It has been a tonne of work I can tell you!
I would point out if I may that my submission to the ATO explored and explained Wicca from cciwi's point of view which while eclectic I'd say we're also fairly representative of mainstream Wicca. With that said, let me reinforce that I do not see it as the representation of everyone's Wicca and I've made that very clear to the ATO. I have explained that like mainstream religions, we are just one "denomination" (their language) and that other practitioners will probably follow the same basic tenets but their practice will probably be different to ours.
So for all Wiccans and of course by default Pagans, if it finally gets accepted this month after a year of discussions, it means many other Wiccan and by association Pagan groups will hopefully have a clearer run at tax concession. In fact that's what the ATO said to me this morning and why they are making sure they cross all the t's and dot all the i's as they expect a flood of similar applications if it is successful. Here's hoping!
Smiles, Amethyst
www.cciwi.org
www.oakandmistletoe.com.au

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com<mailto:WitchesWorkshop%40yahoogroups.com>, Tim Hartridge <ozpagan@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/2010, at 12:02 PM, a2zamethyst58 wrote:
>
> > Apologies for any cross posting but this is potentially important
> > for all Pagan groups in Australia. I thought you all might like to
> > know of the hopeful breakthrough in terms of recognition of
> > Paganism with the Australia Taxation office. Fingers crossed
> > everyone please for a positive outcome hopefully by the end of
> > October as it has ramifications and potential benefits for all
> > Pagan groups.
> >
>
> Congratulations Amethyst (I hope).
>
> In the future you might need a tax-deductible PR consultant to help
> put together press releases (joke).
>
> I do have a few serious questions though.
>
> Does this mean you will be recognised as a pagan religious
> institution? What do you feel this will mean for "Community Church of
> Inclusive Wicca Inc."?
>
> You mention that the "...ATO has not up until this point recognised
> Paganism as a valid religion under the existing interpretation of the
> taxation laws". What has changed to help make the difference.
>
> I'm sure the pagan community at large, as well as others who do run
> various pagan church and community groups are going to be very
> interested in supporting this.
>
>
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim Hartridge <moderator>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WitchesWorkshop/
> http://www.witchesworkshop.com
> http://www.witchcampaustralia.org.au
>

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Re: Taxation dept may finally recognise Paganism as a valid religion

Posted by: "frances_tdm" lunanoire1@adam.com.au   frances_tdm

Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:57 pm (PDT)



oops ...

should have been ...

"Just make sure you specify these requirements relate to your "church" only and NOT to be taken as a general
assumption across the board."

BB - Frances

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New spell book available written by Shetan Noir

Posted by: "Shetan Noir" shetannoir@yahoo.com   shetannoir

Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:13 pm (PDT)



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Re: Initiation in the Aeon of the Child - Sydney

Posted by: "Ozpagan" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:52 pm (PDT)



I received a note about missing the link information. My apology for not including this. Possibly a sign of the times where Facebook provides a prompt for links. Here it is -

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=136611909710600&ref=mf

or you are welcome join our FB 'Page'
http://www.facebook.com/#!/WitchesWorkshop

vinum sabbati,
Tim

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Ozpagan" <ozpagan@...> wrote:
>
> J. Daniel Gunther is here in Sydney for this very special workshop event, "Initiation in the Aeon of the Child".
>
> J. Daniel Gunther is a teacher highly respected and revered by his students and peers alike. Considered one of the world's few genuine authorities on the doctrines of Thelema, his lectures and presentations have been hailed as dynamic revelations of Thelemic doctrine, while his engaging question and answer sessions demonstrate his collegial approach and sincere commitment to student learning.
>
> A member of the A&#8756;A&#8756; for over thirty years, his first book Initiation in the Aeon of the Child: the Inward Journey brought to the public for the first time many of the teachings and instructions of the A&#8756;A&#8756;, and offered a new audience the transmitted doctrinal insights and revelations of the first World Teacher of the New Aeon since Aleister Crowley. He is a standing member on the Editorial Board of The Equinox. This will be Daniel's first visit to Australia.
>
> His program in Sydney offers Aspirants to the Magick, Mysticism and Mysteries of Thelema, and students of esotericism, Freemasonry, mythology, psychology, and religion in general, an exciting opportunity to proceed through a progressive learning journey in an interactive and friendly environment, hosted by the O.T.O.
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> vinum sabbati,
> Tim 'ozpagan'
>

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