Messages In This Digest (4 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion From: Ladyhawke
- 1b.
- Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion From: Czigany Shimza
- 2a.
- On Karma & the "Rule of Three" From: gaia_d
- 2b.
- Re: On Karma & the "Rule of Three" From: Ladyhawke
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion
Posted by: "Ladyhawke" ladyhawke.karen@gmail.com yerb5
Sun Jul 3, 2011 6:56 am (PDT)
Karma isn't a bank account. You don't "do" something and get it back 3
times.
Think about it.
If a person were to do one bad thing, then there would be a return of 3 bad
things.
1 "bad thing", times 3 karmas = 3 "bad karma things" returned to you. Yes?
So then you could do 2 "good things", times 3 karmas = 6 "good karmas".
Yes?
By that way of thinking, all a person would have to do is 1 "good thing"
more than their amount of "bad things".
LOL.. maybe her own nasty energy was returning to her.
Then again, sometimes a duck is just a duck and nothing more. (she got hurt
because she wasn't being safe)
As for you being 8 yrs old and not running to rescue the person who made
your life hell: You were only 8!
Let it go.
BB
karen
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Ziggy <trishahorn@aol.com > wrote:
> Hello and Merry Meet,
>
> I want to share a story with you all because I want your opinion. When I
> was born I was born in a mental hospital because my mother was there.
> They said she heard voices and could see the dead and communicate with
> different things so back in the 40"& 50"s if you were any thing like
> psychic or had gifts in the paranormal field that is what they did and
> she died in a mental hospital. Well my grand parents took me home and
> raised me. I had polio at 18 months old and crawled on the floor until I
> was 4 yrs old. Then because they couldn't offord the braces and
> operations I had to have they gave me to foster parents that lived in
> St. Louis, Mo. ( I was born in Louisville, Ky) any way the people that
> took me were wealthy and they taught me how to walk but most of the
> times (every year) I was in the hospitals having surgeries on my legs. I
> am very greatful to them but they were very abusive verbally and
> phyically. They didn't give me love but showered me with material
> things. But when I would want a hug or affection they told me to go sit
> down and don't be silly. My foster mom was very abusive. I remember one
> time I got to come home from the hospital with a cast on my leg and she
> had gotten uspet with something I had said, she threw me on the floor by
> the head of my hair and sat on my chest and was beating me and hitting
> my head up and down on the floor, well so much for that. While in the
> hospital they would fill me with drugs starting at 5 yrs old when I
> started having the surgeries and then when it was time to go home they
> would just cut me off with no meds to take at home. When I was 10 yrs
> old I had a terrible hip operation and they gave me morphine all the
> time so I got addicted to it at 10 yrs old. ( we are talking in the mid
> 50's). So one time I got very angry from the abuse and we had many
> beautiful tree's there where I lived. Well, I was about 8 yrs old and
> new nothing about witchcraft or the wiccan rede. So I took some of my
> foster mothers bobby pins that she had in her hair because back then
> everyone used bobby pins to curl there hair. well, I took those bobby
> pins and whet out to a tree and at the very base of the tree buried them
> in the ground close to the base of the tree as close as I could get them
> and said some giberish over them angry with her. Well then after about 3
> days the foster mom was up on a latter washing the windows and she
> slipped and fell. I saw it happen and didn't go up to her to see if she
> was ok, I just saw that she wasn't moving at all. I felt happy and went
> to my room. Well, she finally woke up and I pretended I didn't hear or
> see anything. The next time, she was mowing the yard with one of those
> sit down little tractor mowers and she forgot to bend her head to go
> under a tree and the tree knocked her off the mower and the mower was
> still mowing around by itself. Now my question to you or anyone out
> there. Since I was only 8 yrs old and didn't know about harm none. What
> do you think? Will I have bad karma? Will this come back on me in the
> future 3 times or do we as Wiccans have a defence system? Remember I was
> only 8 yrs old.
>
> Thank you for reading this long letter.
>
> Blessed Be!
>
> Czigany Shimza
>
>
>
- 1b.
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Re: A story I want to share to get your opinion
Posted by: "Czigany Shimza" trishahorn@aol.com monkeywhispers725
Sun Jul 3, 2011 8:06 pm (PDT)
Thank you so much for your feedback!
Czigany Shimza
-----Original Message-----
From: Ladyhawke <ladyhawke.karen@gmail.com >
To: Witch_Essentials <Witch_Essentials@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 6:56 am
Subject: Re: [Witch_Essentials] A story I want to share to get your opinion
Karma isn't a bank account. You don't "do" something and get it back 3 times.
Think about it.
If a person were to do one bad thing, then there would be a return of 3 bad things.
1 "bad thing", times 3 karmas = 3 "bad karma things" returned to you. Yes?
So then you could do 2 "good things", times 3 karmas = 6 "good karmas". Yes?
By that way of thinking, all a person would have to do is 1 "good thing" more than their amount of "bad things".
LOL.. maybe her own nasty energy was returning to her.
Then again, sometimes a duck is just a duck and nothing more. (she got hurt because she wasn't being safe)
As for you being 8 yrs old and not running to rescue the person who made your life hell: You were only 8!
Let it go.
BB
karen
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Ziggy <trishahorn@aol.com > wrote:
Hello and Merry Meet,
I want to share a story with you all because I want your opinion. When I
was born I was born in a mental hospital because my mother was there.
They said she heard voices and could see the dead and communicate with
different things so back in the 40"& 50"s if you were any thing like
psychic or had gifts in the paranormal field that is what they did and
she died in a mental hospital. Well my grand parents took me home and
raised me. I had polio at 18 months old and crawled on the floor until I
was 4 yrs old. Then because they couldn't offord the braces and
operations I had to have they gave me to foster parents that lived in
St. Louis, Mo. ( I was born in Louisville, Ky) any way the people that
took me were wealthy and they taught me how to walk but most of the
times (every year) I was in the hospitals having surgeries on my legs. I
am very greatful to them but they were very abusive verbally and
phyically. They didn't give me love but showered me with material
things. But when I would want a hug or affection they told me to go sit
down and don't be silly. My foster mom was very abusive. I remember one
time I got to come home from the hospital with a cast on my leg and she
had gotten uspet with something I had said, she threw me on the floor by
the head of my hair and sat on my chest and was beating me and hitting
my head up and down on the floor, well so much for that. While in the
hospital they would fill me with drugs starting at 5 yrs old when I
started having the surgeries and then when it was time to go home they
would just cut me off with no meds to take at home. When I was 10 yrs
old I had a terrible hip operation and they gave me morphine all the
time so I got addicted to it at 10 yrs old. ( we are talking in the mid
50's). So one time I got very angry from the abuse and we had many
beautiful tree's there where I lived. Well, I was about 8 yrs old and
new nothing about witchcraft or the wiccan rede. So I took some of my
foster mothers bobby pins that she had in her hair because back then
everyone used bobby pins to curl there hair. well, I took those bobby
pins and whet out to a tree and at the very base of the tree buried them
in the ground close to the base of the tree as close as I could get them
and said some giberish over them angry with her. Well then after about 3
days the foster mom was up on a latter washing the windows and she
slipped and fell. I saw it happen and didn't go up to her to see if she
was ok, I just saw that she wasn't moving at all. I felt happy and went
to my room. Well, she finally woke up and I pretended I didn't hear or
see anything. The next time, she was mowing the yard with one of those
sit down little tractor mowers and she forgot to bend her head to go
under a tree and the tree knocked her off the mower and the mower was
still mowing around by itself. Now my question to you or anyone out
there. Since I was only 8 yrs old and didn't know about harm none. What
do you think? Will I have bad karma? Will this come back on me in the
future 3 times or do we as Wiccans have a defence system? Remember I was
only 8 yrs old.
Thank you for reading this long letter.
Blessed Be!
Czigany Shimza
- 2a.
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On Karma & the "Rule of Three"
Posted by: "gaia_d" Gaia_D@yahoo.com gaia_d
Sun Jul 3, 2011 7:03 am (PDT)
Since this subject has arisen lately, i'd like to make a few comments:
The idea of "Karma" is not necessarily a part of Wicca, but many Wiccans have "adapted" it -- Albeit, without really understanding it!
Karma is *NOT* any sort of "punishment" for bad deeds and "reward" for good deeds --
That's a faulty understanding of the principle.
Karma is instead, the NATURAL CONSEQUENCES of whatever intentions, deeds, and emotions --
Think of it as the "economy" of the Universe: Whatever we send out, returns to us -- NOT in "reward" or "punishment", but because that is what we have PROMOTED and "sown" (made grow) into the Universe.
And the idea that it must always be "three times" what we've sent out, is again, a FAULTY understanding of the principle --
For *convenience* the principle has been named, "The Rule of Three", but it's no "rule" and it's not always "three times".
It's important to do some study of the principles we hear passed around -- especially from more experienced, knowledgeable and/or well-trained folks, rather than other beginners who may not know much more than we do, but are just repeating what they've heard in chats or discussion groups, from OTHER beginners --
Blessed Be -
~Gaia
- 2b.
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Re: On Karma & the "Rule of Three"
Posted by: "Ladyhawke" ladyhawke.karen@gmail.com yerb5
Sun Jul 3, 2011 8:06 pm (PDT)
LOL
To me the rule of 3 smacks too closely to tenants of other religion's
rules.
Maybe as a form of control?
Maybe to make Wicca look better. (as in: Hey! Wiccans can't be all that bad,
after all: whatever they do comes back to them 3 times!)
Whatever the truth may be, I don't think the rule of 3 was stated that way
as a matter of convenience in explaining the principle of energetic returns.
karen
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:03 AM, gaia_d <Gaia_D@yahoo.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Since this subject has arisen lately, i'd like to make a few comments:
>
> The idea of "Karma" is not necessarily a part of Wicca, but many Wiccans
> have "adapted" it -- Albeit, without really understanding it!
>
> Karma is *NOT* any sort of "punishment" for bad deeds and "reward" for good
> deeds --
>
> That's a faulty understanding of the principle.
>
> Karma is instead, the NATURAL CONSEQUENCES of whatever intentions, deeds,
> and emotions --
>
> Think of it as the "economy" of the Universe: Whatever we send out, returns
> to us -- NOT in "reward" or "punishment", but because that is what we have
> PROMOTED and "sown" (made grow) into the Universe.
>
> And the idea that it must always be "three times" what we've sent out, is
> again, a FAULTY understanding of the principle --
>
> For *convenience* the principle has been named, "The Rule of Three", but
> it's no "rule" and it's not always "three times".
>
> It's important to do some study of the principles we hear passed around --
> especially from more experienced, knowledgeable and/or well-trained folks,
> rather than other beginners who may not know much more than we do, but are
> just repeating what they've heard in chats or discussion groups, from OTHER
> beginners --
>
> Blessed Be -
> ~Gaia
>
>
>
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