sâmbătă, 6 august 2011

[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4799

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Seline & Hawthorn future events

Posted by: "Vic Pagan" euphoriapagan@hotmail.com   baphomet11

Sat Aug 6, 2011 12:55 am (PDT)




Hi Everyone
Seline and I have decided to close this email account, however, we still want to keep in touch with you to let you know about future events that we are organising. In order to help acheive this you should all have received an invitation to join Seline on Facebook as this is where we will be announcing all future events and happenings.

If you haven't received an invite you can go to Selines facebook page http://www.facebook.com/seline.cardamoncairns and submit a friend request so that you can stay in the loop.

Blessed Be All
Seline and Hawthorn


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Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Sat Aug 6, 2011 3:18 am (PDT)



And you sir sound like an obnoxious twat!

Bill,

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Matthieu Morelle <lucifervulus_sa_kage@...> wrote:
>
> Bit dramatic...
Who cares who has a file on you? Be good and it won't matter. If its their policy to keep files on people with military training who fought with forgien countries, so what? Makes sense to me...
Your objections sound, at worst, like paranoid rantings or, at best, like the squeeling of a malcontent who just rocks the boat because he can.
Really, what do you think that the government is going to do with the information that is so terrible you object to spending a couple of minutes filling out a form so the government can know more about the Australian demorgraphic?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: barbtrad
> Sent: Friday, 5 August 2011 7:58
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again
>
>
> Hi Mark.
>
> Thanks for your in depth reply. Actually what it comes down too is whether or not governments can be trusted with information about one's self.. something... . personally I do not believe they can be.
>
> I wish your campaign all success, really I do, providing I'm not on any of the lists or any of my information is in the hands of Big Brother. I do see where you and Pagan Dash are coming from and will say straight up your intentions are good. I guess I have been shafted well and truly by successive governments hence my inherent distrust of government regardless of its political flavour.
>
> Asio maintains a file on me, despite my never ever having been a member of any sort of subversive organization, Hells Bells not even a political party of any kind. The reason? Well my rather hostile question was answered by saying it was because I had received certain training in the military and that I had been a member of a foreign military force..( I was seconded into American forces in Vietnam for a few months).. But I thought the Americans and us were on the same side???
>
> With apologies to Mr Harris and the paint commercial..Trust the government??? (insert drum roll on paint tin)..Sure can't!!!
>
> All the best Mark.
>
> Bill.
>
> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Mark S Hepworth <mits@> wrote:
> >
> > <Snipped to save bandwidth>
> > >
> > > You know Mark it isn't just the "Pagan" issue that pisses me off big
> > > time with the census: Their proposal that it is virtually just to
> > > count heads is bloody minded nonsense! They already have the
> > > statistics re births,deaths and immigration and migration. Simple sums
> > > would give them all the answers they need or indeed have any right to
> > > have. I shall once again put my devious mind to work avoiding filling
> > > out their impertinent bloody form.. and avoid incurring any penalty
> > > for failure to do so.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reply ..Bill.
> > >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > I can understand that, I have spoken to a few census collectors who told
> > me that was their issue with the census and that is why the got involved
> > to find out more.
> >
> > You are right, the register of Births, Death and Marriages as well as
> > the Immigration department would give you a number for population, but
> > then you are talking about linking two goverment departments, which
> > gives me the willies to begin with, wasn't that why we rejected the
> > Australia card, as the State Roads departments and Medicare would be linked?
> >
> > The other information in the Census is who lives in the area, because I
> > don't think Birth's Death and marriages collates were you move to
> > between the 3 events. That data might be taken from the roads system, or
> > passports department, or even medicare, linking a few more goverment
> > agencies. Then there is the question of the household income, so you
> > also start to throw in the Tax department into the equation.
> >
> > Local goverments (Councils and the like) get their funding based on
> > Census Data, now we all get rates notices and I am sure you could say,
> > that local councils could provide that information to the commonwealth
> > (as in a number) to get appropriate funding. The problem I have with
> > that, is watching the behaviour of local councils recently, I can't
> > honestly say that a large number of them wound'nt jack up their numbers
> > to get more money. Also when you pay rates you are paying per house, but
> > that doesn't tell you how many people live there or what services might
> > be required for those residents.
> >
> > This is why the census happens, to keep these compeating interests
> > apart. Also why the census is anonymous, as if they goverment had all
> > this data linked, well I for one would not be happy.
> >
> > For the dash campagin we focus on religion, religion is on the census to
> > assist the local goverment areas to know if they have the right type of
> > religous services for their constitants. Having been involved with
> > census stuff from March this year, working on the Dash campaign, I have
> > seen an e-mail doing the rounds, that is now turning up on facebook
> > telling Australian's to write a religion on their census, even if it is
> > the one you were raised under because "1,000,000" Australian musliums
> > will put down their faith, and you may end up with a mosque next door to
> > your house! This is partially true, as funding for local religous groups
> > is based on census data. Having said that, I think funding a stone
> > circle in a public park is going to be a big ask. Also gotta appluade
> > the peddelers of fear for making something that is so small a thing, a
> > issue of discrimination.
> >
> > Maybe the recent talk about eCensus has inspired you, tell the census
> > collector your going to do eCensus, you get an eCensus card but never do
> > the eCensus.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark Hepworth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Australian Reclaiming Community WitchCamp 2011

Posted by: "Sandra" astrojazz@bigpond.com.au   sandracirclewoman

Sat Aug 6, 2011 5:30 am (PDT)



Sisters and Brothers,

Sorry for the cross post.

Those who attended the recent WitchCamp in Victoria I ask a favour of you. As one of the organisers, I was way too busy to take very many photos of the Camp (I was the one who tended to wear the housekeepers hat all the time!). Of course, we never took photos of ritual but I am sure people to took photos of each other and surrounding areas. I am going to make another book, like the one you all saw at WitchCamp. But I need more photos and high quality ones - not ones that are on the web as they are low resolution. I would appreciate it if you could forward your photos to me at astrojazz@bigpond.com.au The photo album will be published only once and no copies will be made. The book is meant to be the history of WitchCamp in Australia so it would be great if people could help me out. Forward your high resolution photos to me. Thank you!

Sandra Lacey
Australian Reclaiming Community

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