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[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4811

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1a.

Re: Pagan Dash and the Census

Posted by: "Hania Trzaskowski" purring_cougar_kitten@hotmail.com   chirinka_natural_therapies

Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:49 am (PDT)





Unfortuantely couldn't count ourselves in this census - we were out of the
country! Bummer!!!

Hania Trzaskowski BHSc.Nat,Adv.Dip.H.Med, Cert.Mas

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Chirinka Natural Therapies

30/b Glenmorgan St

Brunswick East VIC 3057

Ph: (03) 83000178

Mob: 0405248873

<http://www.chirinka.com/> http://www.chirinka.com

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Re: Pagan Dash and the Census

Posted by: "Nisaba Merrieweather" nisaba.merrieweather@hotmail.com   nisaba_merrieweather

Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:55 am (PDT)




G'dday.
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
From: heliade@bigpond.com
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:32:36 +0000
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagan Dash and the Census

>
How did we all go with the Census form then? Do you think we'll make an impression this time? (A coherent impression I mean).

My household counted an eclectic Pagan and a Shaman, both under the pagan-dash policy. I was also sorely tempted to give all other souls in the house, from cats to cockroaches, names and my surname, and count them too. Not sure I approve of having to tell Big Brother about my personal circumstances. Privacy is more of an issue with me than freedom of religion. Nisaba

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Re: Pagan Dash and the Census

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:04 pm (PDT)



Greetings Nisaba.

You wouldn't be the first to include non humans on the census form. Some I know always include puss, the woofer and the budgie! And it serves the stickbeaking buggers right, brings to mind an old saying that I try to live by..."Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies".

Census? A bloody impertinence I say.. Bah Humbug!

Bill.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Nisaba Merrieweather <nisaba.merrieweather@...> wrote:
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> G'dday.
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:32:36 +0000
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagan Dash and the Census

> My household counted an eclectic Pagan and a Shaman, both under the pagan-dash policy. I was also sorely tempted to give all other souls in the house, from cats to cockroaches, names and my surname, and count them too. Not sure I approve of having to tell Big Brother about my personal circumstances. Privacy is more of an issue with me than freedom of religion. Nisaba
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Re: Pagan Dash and the Census

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:41 pm (PDT)



2b. Re: Pagan Dash and the Census

Posted by: "David Garland" paninc@optushome.com.au djkgarland

Date: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:21 pm ((PDT))

Yes. I know, (an infuriatingly long time to wait). But what are your
impressions from people you've talked to. I see a lot of people said they
did a Pagan-Dash answer on the PAN Facebook page, but they didn't always say
what answer.

For example, I did Pagan-Witch.

~Caroline.

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Hello Caroline,

We hope so, but we have to wait til June next year to find out :)

L&L

David

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From: Caroline Tully

To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:32 AM

Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Pagan Dash and the Census

So.....

How did we all go with the Census form then? Do you think we'll make an
impression this time? (A coherent impression I mean).

~Caroline.

Necropolis Now Blog

http://necropolisnow.blogspot.com/

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2.

Fairies in Monferrato

Posted by: "Caroline Tully" heliade@bigpond.com   willowitch2001

Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:42 pm (PDT)



For those who can read Italian...

Fairies in Monferrato

Potentially of great interest. An italian meeting about Fairies among anthropology, folklore studies and philological perspectives (italian language only, with something in french).
D.

Fate: madri, amanti, streghe

Rocca Grimalda (AL), 17-18 settembre 2011

XVI Convegno internazionale

Sabato 17 settembre, ore 14, 30: apertura convegno

SALUTI delle 'autorità'

Sonia Maura Barillari, Presentazione convegno

ore 15, sessione pomeridiana

Laurence Harf, Université Paris III 'la Sorbonne nouvelle', Amadas et Ydoine et la poétique de la féerie

Martina Di Febo, Università di Macerata, Il corpo del phantasma: la dannazione della fata

Sonia Maura Barillari, Università di Genova, Fata e 'strega'? Rapsodia su un motivo letterario fra Lanval e la serrana

Carlo Donà, Università di Messina, La fata-bestia e la bestia fatata

Massimo Bonafin, Università di Macerata, Fra Oriente e Occidente: astuzie di volpi e di fate

Patrizia Caraffi, Università di Bologna, Morgana. Dalla letteratura al cinema

Domenica 18 settembre, ore 9, sessione mattutina

Rita Caprini, Università di Genova, Sposare una fata: Egeria, Melusina e Macha

Rosanna Brusegan, Università di Verona, Arras 1276 - Rocca Pietore 2006: fate e ondine a confronto

Cesare Poppi, Università di Lugano - Università di Trento, Il fato delle fate: a proposito di un racconto fassano

Mira Mocan, Università di Roma Tre, Fate o streghe? Le iele nella letteratura romena

Francesco Benozzo, Università di Bologna, Iconomastica ferica: i nomi della fata nei dialetti d'Europa

ore 15, sessione pomeridiana

Massimo Oldoni, Università di Roma «La Sapienza», Le fate di Arlecchino

Paolo Aldo Rossi, Università di Genova, La Fata Turchina e le metamorfosi di Pinocchio

Paola Goretti, Fondazione Ermitage Italia (Ferrara), Nell'aria mulinante: ninfe, acque, apparizioni

Franco Castelli, ISRAL, Parche, fate, masche: dalla mitologia al folklore

Paolo Portone, Centro insubrico di ricerche etnostoriche, All'origine di un mito moderno. Dal 'gioco della Signora' al sabba di Satana

Ida Li Vigni, Università di Genova, L'iconografia della strega tra immaginario popolare e realtà sociale

Linee guida del convegno

La figura della fata innegabilmente affonda le sue radici nel medioevo, le cui letterature ce ne restituiscono l'immagine riflessa, talora nitida, talora evanescente come inevitabilmente accade quando la ricezione è subordinata alla presenza di un medium - quello artistico-letterario, appunto - a cui in questo caso è a sua volta sovrapposto un ulteriore filtro, quello culturale indotto dalla spessa coltre di secoli attraverso cui osserviamo queste entità fragili e potenti, dalle indubbie ascendenze surnaturali.
Come sovente accade quando i filtri si sommano e si sovrappongono, anche i fenomeni di rifrazione si moltiplicano, offrendo al nostro sguardo silhouettes che si lasciano intuire sfaccettate e poliedriche, ma di cui non di rado ci è dato cogliere solo pochi lati, vaghi contorni, quelli funzionali al progetto narrativo in cui sono inserite, frequentemente già sottoposti al vaglio e/o alle reinterpretazioni dell'ideologia dominante.
Duttile, versatile, eclettico, polimorfo: tale ci appare il personaggio della fata nella letteratura, e prima ancora nel pensiero, medievale. Tanto da rendere difficile stabilirne una fisionomia univocamente determinata. Morgana è sicuramente una fata, nel senso che oggi attribuiamo al termine. Così pure Melusina - e le sue numerose sodali - anche se alcuni aspetti della sua natura fatata possono turbare le rigide tassonomie della nostra contemporaneità. Ma Isotta? Per certo è una donna, in quanto soggetta alla morte, però possiede poteri taumaturgici, e la madre sa confezionare pozioni di provata efficacia. E Sibilla? Ella stessa conferma al Meschino di non essere fata, eppure è signora di un mondo fatato. E le streghe della val di Fassa? Seguaci della donna del bon zogo, in nulla credono di offendere il Credo cristiano e sono fermamente convinte di operare in favore della fertilità della terra e della prosperità della comunità...
È questo che si propone il nostro convegno: investigare gli aspetti meno noti di questa figura profondamente ambivalente capace di giungere tale, fra alterne vicende, ben oltre i confini dell'era moderna, attraverso gli strumenti di una ricerca interdisciplinare che sappia mettere a frutto gli insegnamenti dell'antropologia, della filologia, dell'analisi storica e letteraria, dell'iconografia.

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3a.

Re: Moon Gathering & Fire Ceremony including recieving the Munay-Ki

Posted by: "zipor" zipor@yahoo.com.au   zipor

Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:23 am (PDT)





hi Ken,

Sounds like you're just saying "caveat emptor" which to me is superfluous and even more superfluous if you have no personal experience on what it is you're commenting on (I'm presuming obviously but guess I'm pretty close since the most you offered was a wikipedia article written by who knows).

To me, it doesn't matter what you're doing or buying or looking into you should always look into it carefully. So your comment did seem a little vague as it was without any context or personal experience.

I have been to talks by Alberto Villoldo in London and I have a read a little on the subject but to me the only way to know if something would work for you is to experience it and decide for yourself. I won't trust anyone to decide what is good or not for me... how would they know, they live not in my body?

I would hope no one would dismiss something by virtue of wikipedia without at least talking to a person running an event they were interested in... perhaps talking to the organiser would give them a better feel if it was for them. I'm not saying don't read wikipedia but merely to temper it with your own personal intuition and other research.

Just my two cents.

Bright blessings

> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Ken Howard <kenelm@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Zipor
> >
> > Not at all vague, I suggested that people read something about Munay-ki before parting with their money,
> > as it may not be as traditional as they might be expecting.
> > Have you read the article that I referenced, or any other material from outside the group who are promoting this ritual?
> >
> > I am not going to say "AVOID", just be informed!
> >
> > /|\ ---K---
>
> > On 12/08/2011, at 1:38 PM, zipor wrote:
> >
> > > That's a vague remark Ken. Why do you say be wary of parting with money?
>
> > > --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Ken Howard <kenelm@> wrote:
> > > > If you want to know more, please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munay-ki
> > > > (and be wary of parting with any money!)
>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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3b.

Re: Moon Gathering & Fire Ceremony including recieving the Munay-Ki

Posted by: "Tish" deborahs23@optusnet.com.au   morticia_its_me

Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:36 am (PDT)



Sorry but why do I have to go to a dictionary so many times so as to read
things I read here..*g*
yep I do understand this jargon but what of those who do not..?.now that is
not so
superlous now is it..come on lets be *fiends* ) and be real people... come
on people time to get back to basics...

Well I do have bigger tits than you do ... *g*.hehehe

Just my one penny..:-))

Tish




-------Original Message-------

From: zipor
Date: 21/08/2011 1:24:03 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Moon Gathering & Fire Ceremony including
recieving the Munay-Ki Healers Rites, 8/19/2011, 7:00 pm




hi Ken,

Sounds like you're just saying "caveat emptor" which to me is superfluous
and even more superfluous if you have no personal experience on what it is
you're commenting on (I'm presuming obviously but guess I'm pretty close
since the most you offered was a wikipedia article written by who knows).

To me, it doesn't matter what you're doing or buying or looking into you
should always look into it carefully. So your comment did seem a little
vague as it was without any context or personal experience.

I have been to talks by Alberto Villoldo in London and I have a read a
little on the subject but to me the only way to know if something would work
for you is to experience it and decide for yourself. I won't trust anyone to
decide what is good or not for me... how would they know, they live not in
my body?

I would hope no one would dismiss something by virtue of wikipedia without
at least talking to a person running an event they were interested in...
perhaps talking to the organiser would give them a better feel if it was for
them. I'm not saying don't read wikipedia but merely to temper it with your
own personal intuition and other research.

Just my two cents.

Bright blessings

> --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Ken Howard <kenelm@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Zipor
> >
> > Not at all vague, I suggested that people read something about Munay-ki
before parting with their money,
> > as it may not be as traditional as they might be expecting.
> > Have you read the article that I referenced, or any other material from
outside the group who are promoting this ritual?
> >
> > I am not going to say "AVOID", just be informed!
> >
> > /|\ ---K---
>
> > On 12/08/2011, at 1:38 PM, zipor wrote:
> >
> > > That's a vague remark Ken. Why do you say be wary of parting with
money?
>
> > > --- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Ken Howard <kenelm@> wrote:
> > > > If you want to know more, please read: http://en.wikipedia
org/wiki/Munay-ki
> > > > (and be wary of parting with any money!)
>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





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3c.

Re: Moon Gathering & Fire Ceremony including recieving the Munay-Ki

Posted by: "scott_bisseker" nu_scott@hotmail.com   scott_bisseker

Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:44 am (PDT)



Greetings Again Ken,

> Almost too simple!

Well you know what they say about "common sense"these days .. *G*

> Unfortunately, most of the time this sort of advice is taken as criticism of the philosophy/religion of the poster of the material.

True - sensitive sorts often have spots to match I find. *Shrugs*
It seemed entirely straightforward to me but then again I don't have any position at all on it to champion either way ... mebbe that is the difference.

> As you have obviously picked up, all I am saying is 'caveat emptor'. It often pays to do a little research to make sure you
> are getting what you think you are paying for!

Yup which of course seems perfectly straightforward to the average shopper but hey in the world of the alleged occultist and magic user .. well ... hsitory suggests otherwise ..

It has been suggested that the remark was superfluous .... to my mind if by "superfluous" it was meant that it was a wasted remark I might have to agree by the result but if by that it is meant that your words were more than was required or called for - well given my experience of the attendees of any given workshop I'd say not.

But then again - as I say I have no particular axe to grind either way so again .. perhaps that is the difference ...

>I'm not the one to judge 'fitness for purpose' - but I'm asking the reader to!

Yup - pretty obvious I'd say .. *Shrugs and grins*

Subsisto

Sott

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The Serpent & the Rainbow – Dr Wade Davis

Posted by: "Ozpagan" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:26 am (PDT)



If "The Serpent & the Rainbow", voudoun and magick mean something to you, you're going to want to see and hear Dr Wade Davis. Put Thursday, 8 September down in your grimoire.

An evening with Dr Wade Davis - National Geographic Explorer at the Australian Museum, Sydney:
http://australianmuseum.net.au/event/An-evening-with-Dr-Wade-davis-National-Geographic-Explorer/

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