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2.1.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com enigma9363

Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:14 am (PST)

You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.

Lori B

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
> research and make your own decisions.
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>
>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>
>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
>> That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>
>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
>> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
>> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
>> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
>> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
>> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
>> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
>> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>
>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>
>> Lori B
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>
>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>> important
>>>
>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>>> fine.
>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>>> >
>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary channel.
>>> Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
>>> >
>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not. Conservatism
>>> isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs. None of my
>>> comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't have a
>>> right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>> >>
>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
>>> another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
>>> the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
>>> violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
>>> and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
>>> complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
>>> exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
>>> nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those
>>> are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of
>>> view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
>>> prime time news.
>>> >>
>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
>>> from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
>>> and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
>>> outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
>>> reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Lori B
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
>>> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
>>> channel out there **shiver** scary
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>> >>
>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lori B
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> > Lori B
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>>>
>>> http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Lori B
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2.2.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:14 am (PST)

Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
those who dare to belive differently then you do

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
> his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
>
> Lori B
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <
> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
>> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
>> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
>> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
>> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
>> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
>> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
>> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
>> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
>> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
>> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
>> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
>> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
>> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
>> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
>> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
>> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
>> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
>> research and make your own decisions.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>>
>>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>>
>>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
>>> That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>>
>>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
>>> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
>>> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
>>> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
>>> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
>>> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
>>> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
>>> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>>
>>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>>
>>> Lori B
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>>
>>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>>> important
>>>>
>>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
>>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>>>> fine.
>>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>>>> >
>>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary channel.
>>>> Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not.
>>>> Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs.
>>>> None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't
>>>> have a right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
>>>> showing another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess
>>>> that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and
>>>> non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it
>>>> freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total
>>>> and complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
>>>> someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make
>>>> silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those
>>>> are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of
>>>> view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any
>>>> other prime time news.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
>>>> from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
>>>> and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
>>>> outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
>>>> reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lori B
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
>>>> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
>>>> channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lori B
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > *SUPPORT OUR 911 FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/mensachick
>>>> >
>>>> > Multiply
>>>> > http://mensachickie.multiply.com/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> > Lori B
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2.3.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:23 am (PST)

I am kind of seeing a pattern though I've asked you to prove things 3 times
now, each time, well there were some vague statements one time with no back
up, each time you engage on a slightly nastier attack on someone else. If
you can't back up your insults and allegations or don't wanna cause you know
it's (your word) scary and he's a meanie poopie head or what ever name comes
next to have to see another point of view that's fine just say that and I'll
drop it, but you make accusations you have to back them up, it's part of
having a discussion as an adult.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
> his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
>
> Lori B
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <
> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
>> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
>> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
>> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
>> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
>> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
>> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
>> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
>> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
>> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
>> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
>> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
>> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
>> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
>> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
>> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
>> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
>> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
>> research and make your own decisions.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>>
>>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>>
>>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
>>> That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>>
>>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
>>> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
>>> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
>>> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
>>> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
>>> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
>>> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
>>> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>>
>>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>>
>>> Lori B
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>>
>>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>>> important
>>>>
>>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
>>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>>>> fine.
>>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
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>>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary channel.
>>>> Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs.
>>>> None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't
>>>> have a right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
>>>> showing another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess
>>>> that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and
>>>> non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it
>>>> freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total
>>>> and complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
>>>> someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make
>>>> silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
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>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators. Those
>>>> are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of
>>>> view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any
>>>> other prime time news.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
>>>> from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
>>>> and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
>>>> outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
>>>> reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lori B
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed minded,
>>>> ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
>>>> channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lori B
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
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2.4.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Don Wildgrube" dwildgrube@earthlink.net dwildgrube

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:24 am (PST)

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I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with
the comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point.
You are getting no where with your constant asking for more and
more without commenting on what was presented. So lets bring
this to a close and get back to what this site is intended for.

"It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than
to open one's mouth and removing all doubt."

B*B, Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Martha Dickinson
Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
Olbermann???

Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove
it, there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop
bashing and insulting those who dare to belive differently then
you do

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld
<enigma9363@gmail.com <mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com> > wrote:

You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely
bonkers, and his self-described messianic ramblings are full of
circular reasoning. Lori B

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson
<mensachickie@gmail.com <mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com> > wrote:

No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're
using rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just
doing what they should be doing, what the media is supposed to do
and unfortunately rarely does .. giving facts with
documentation... how would giving facts about documentation ever
be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
understand that point, how would that be anything other then
encouraged... not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but
where would it end it is a frightening slippery slope... should
teachers stop teaching about the Holocaust because the facts are
nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn folks against nazis
even though they only present facts, should the media no longer
investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life
savings because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main
objection was to your term scary and then fear mongering in
differing opinions, I think these are the ones that should be
encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly believes that
Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it with
back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I
paraphrase, don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything
anyone says do the research and make your own decisions.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld
<enigma9363@gmail.com <mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com> > wrote:

Of course you are and I gave you a couple. Those we mentioned
are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and Olbermann may
have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and "The
Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the
word "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering
because what little I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their
form of entertainment is best described with those words. Lou
Dobbs was a better conservative commentator. As was William F.
Buckley. I agree with your statement that uncomfortable
speakers should be heard. That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and
First Church every Sunday.... I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and
uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia University's having him to
speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice Scalia's
speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I
forget his name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a
tendency to spit when he speaks that is always asked on panels
about "Blacks in America" who has some very uncomfortable
positions on a lot of issues but he is very interesting to hear.
John McCain has always had my attention.
As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
Lori B
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson
<mensachickie@gmail.com <mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com> > wrote:
I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.

And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really
not
fear mongering really just presenting another side of a
discussion
which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
important

It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing
presenting
things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection.
If
they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak.
Nay
scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new
owners
trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm
not an
msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and
frankly
my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt
mean
they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie
faces
even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's
just
fine.
Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated

On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld
<enigma9363@gmail.com <mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com> > wrote:
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> O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of
Beck's diatribes on the blackboard.
>
> As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary
channel. Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson
<mensachickie@gmail.com <mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com> > wrote:
> I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on
examples.
>
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld
<enigma9363@gmail.com <mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com> > wrote:
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>> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not.
Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my
beliefs. None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I
never said they didn't have a right to say what they do. I used
the dictionary meaning of the word fearmongering, if you were
confused.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson
<mensachickie@gmail.com <mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many
other news sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi,
Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and so on and so on .. you know the
ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every day are soooo
conservative.. just evil.
>>
>> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
showing another point of view than most of the main stream media?
I guess that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally,
constitutionally and non violently expressing another point of
view fear mongering, I call it freedom and would actively
encourage it whether I thought they were total and complete
idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when
folks make silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld
<enigma9363@gmail.com <mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators.
Those are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like.
Their "point of view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And
there is nothing on the channel that balances the anger they
project. To those who watch nothing else it places an "us"
against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to think
for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>
>>
>> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as
any other prime time news.
>>
>> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor
usually from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington
Post and the Nation and the Wall Street Journal and the
Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right outside of Philadelphia) and
the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from reading those that I
chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lori B
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson
<mensachickie@gmail.com <mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
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>>
>> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed
minded, ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than
every other news channel out there **shiver** scary
>>
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>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld
<enigma9363@gmail.com <mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
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>> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual
news, I don't get my information from either one. They are both
extremes, as evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either
one as a source would be as unrounded or uninformed as you
stated.
>>
>>
>> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX
unless football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick
flicks', soap operas and other overdramatic venues, I do not
watch MSNBC - I only watched Olbermann because he was funny 60%
of the time. When he wasn't, I changed the channel or turned
off the TV and read a book.
>>
>> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit
myopic.
>>
>> Lori B
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2.5.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:25 am (PST)

all I'm asking for is proof honey, let them damn themselves in their own
words .. they're all over the internet it's not hard to find... you guys
want to insult peoples character because they dare to disagree with you
prove it.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@earthlink.net>wrote:

>
>
> I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the
> comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are
> getting no where with your constant asking for more and more without
> commenting on what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get
> back to what this site is intended for.
>
> "It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open
> one's mouth and removing all doubt."
>
> B*B, Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martha Dickinson
> Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
> To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
> Olbermann???
>
>
>
> Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
> there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
> those who dare to belive differently then you do
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
>> his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
>>
>> Lori B
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
>>> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
>>> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
>>> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
>>> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
>>> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
>>> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
>>> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
>>> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
>>> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
>>> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
>>> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
>>> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
>>> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
>>> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
>>> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
>>> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
>>> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
>>> research and make your own decisions.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>>>
>>>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>>>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>>>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>>>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>>>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>>>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>>>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>>>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be
>>>> heard. That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>>>
>>>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
>>>> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
>>>> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
>>>> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
>>>> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
>>>> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
>>>> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
>>>> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>>>
>>>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>>>
>>>> Lori B
>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>>>
>>>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>>>> important
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
>>>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>>>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>>>>> fine.
>>>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>>>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary channel.
>>>>> Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not.
>>>>> Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs.
>>>>> None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't
>>>>> have a right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
>>>>> showing another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess
>>>>> that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and
>>>>> non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it
>>>>> freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total
>>>>> and complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
>>>>> someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make
>>>>> silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators.
>>>>> Those are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point
>>>>> of view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any
>>>>> other prime time news.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor
>>>>> usually from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the
>>>>> Nation and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live
>>>>> right outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's
>>>>> from reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed
>>>>> minded, ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every
>>>>> other news channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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2.6.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:28 am (PST)

and I'm not asking for more and more I haven't received any yet, or at least
been told specifically how the one specific thing that was referred to would
even remotely be considered fear mongering the rest was just a vague
generalization

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com>wrote:

> all I'm asking for is proof honey, let them damn themselves in their own
> words .. they're all over the internet it's not hard to find... you guys
> want to insult peoples character because they dare to disagree with you
> prove it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the
>> comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are
>> getting no where with your constant asking for more and more without
>> commenting on what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get
>> back to what this site is intended for.
>>
>> "It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open
>> one's mouth and removing all doubt."
>>
>> B*B, Don
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martha Dickinson
>> Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
>> To: which_witch_is_witch@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
>> Olbermann???
>>
>>
>>
>> Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
>> there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
>> those who dare to belive differently then you do
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers,
>>> and his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
>>>
>>> Lori B
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
>>>> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
>>>> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
>>>> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
>>>> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
>>>> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
>>>> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
>>>> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
>>>> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
>>>> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
>>>> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
>>>> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
>>>> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
>>>> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
>>>> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
>>>> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
>>>> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
>>>> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
>>>> research and make your own decisions.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>>>>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>>>>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>>>>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>>>>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>>>>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>>>>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>>>>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be
>>>>> heard. That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>>>>
>>>>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
>>>>> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
>>>>> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
>>>>> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
>>>>> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
>>>>> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
>>>>> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
>>>>> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori B
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>>>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>>>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>>>>> important
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>>>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>>>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>>>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>>>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>>>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>>>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
>>>>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>>>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>>>>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>>>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>>>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>>>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>>>>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary
>>>>>> channel. Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on
>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not.
>>>>>> Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs.
>>>>>> None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't
>>>>>> have a right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>>>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>>>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>>>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>>>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>>>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
>>>>>> showing another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess
>>>>>> that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and
>>>>>> non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it
>>>>>> freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total
>>>>>> and complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
>>>>>> someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make
>>>>>> silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators.
>>>>>> Those are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point
>>>>>> of view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>>>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>>>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>>>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>>>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any
>>>>>> other prime time news.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor
>>>>>> usually from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the
>>>>>> Nation and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live
>>>>>> right outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's
>>>>>> from reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed
>>>>>> minded, ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every
>>>>>> other news channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>>>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Lori B
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2.7.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Cher" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:50 am (PST)

What the Heck is going on and totally HUH

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2.8.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Cher" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:55 am (PST)

Just remember when debating each other in seep discussion to be aware not to get frustrated and control oneself not to turn this into a shouting discussion. I don't mind debates I just need to remind everyone so others don't get upset or confused in thinking your yelling at each other....Just to remind to respect and think before you write, go back and re read and not assume the worst!

Oh and Hello Lori woke up from hibernation huh LOL

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2.9.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529

Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:57 am (PST)

I'm trying to get proof to back up some rather nasty accusations made by
some others thus far it's not been forthcoming

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2.10.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Midnightwarrior" midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com midnightwarrior13

Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:58 am (PST)

Quite frankly, and this is MY own opinion on this topic, is that Lori, up to now, has been very civil and accurate with her OWN opinion on the topic. She has simply stated how she feels about this thread. These are her own opinions and nothing more.

I really don't see the need to get nasty and vitriolic with the accusations for someone else's opinions about the subject. Insisting that she come up with "documentation after documentaion" is absurd, considering she has given a few to back up HER opinion.

I know Lori to be conservative. She has for as long as I can remember. She is stating what some others of us do, and that is shove the "extremes" to the side and find more moderate coverage of things that try to leave as much of the emotion out of the facts as possible.

I know she is also one of the first to insist that everyone is free to speak their opinion on things. In this thread, she has NOT claimed otherwise. If you have taken it that way, I'm sorry, but she has not.

Thank you Lori, for at least stating your opinion and doing so without emotional rage and anger.

Midnight

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2.11.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Midnightwarrior" midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com midnightwarrior13

Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:00 am (PST)

Hear, hear, Don. Well said.

Midnight

Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are getting no where with your constant asking for more and more without commenting on what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get back to what this site is intended for.

"It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and removing all doubt."

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2.12.: Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???

Posted by: "Midnightwarrior" midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com midnightwarrior13

Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:02 am (PST)

It's called uncontrolled emotional outburst. My kids, when they were little, used to do the same thing.

Midnight

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3.: Today's Goddess: JUN TI Chinese New Year (China)

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:06 am (PST)

Today's Goddess: JUN TI
Chinese New Year (China)

Themes: Long Life; Luck; Fertility; Wisdom; Tradition
Symbols: Dragons; Sun and Moon Symbols; the Numbers Three and Eighteen

About Jun Ti: This Chinese Buddhist Goddess oversees all matters of life generously.
In works of art she is depicted as living on Polaris, the star around
which all things revolve, including each individual's fate. She has
three eyes for wise discernemnt, eighteen arms holding weapons with
which to protect her people, and a dragon's head that symbolizes her
power and wisdom.

To Do Today: Jun Ti can help you live a more fulfilled life this year by overseeing
your fortune and well-being. To encourage her assistance, think silver
and gold (or white and yellow) - the colors of the moon and sun. Wear
items in these hues, or perhaps have a glass of milk followed by
pineapple juice in the morning to drink fully of her attributes!

On or around this day,
the Chinese take to the streets with new year festivities that last two
weeks. Eating various rice-based dishes today encourages fertility,
respect, and long life, while wearing new shoes brings Jun Ti's luck. It is also customary to be on one's best behavior and honor the ancestors
throughout the day for good fortune. The climax of festivities is a
dragon parade, the beast, Jun Ti's sacred animal, being associated with
ancient knowledge and tradition. So, find a way to commemorate your
personal or family customs today to draw Jun Ti's attention and
blessing.
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4.: New Goddess Spell

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:07 am (PST)

New Goddess Spell

Our contemporary Pagan path is a blend of the old and the new. To bridge
ancient traditions with a busy, modern lifestyle, one also needs a
healthy sense of humor and an open mind. One whimsical example of this
is the attention gained by an emerging new goddess: Caffeina. Although
Caffeina doesn't reside in history books or in our ancient memories or
archetypes, she is with us every day as the prolific consumption of
coffee is an integral part of western society. Drinking coffee in its
many flavors and manifestations is now woven into the social fabric of
our lives.

Caffeina teaches us that
moderation is the key to enjoying her gift of coffee. Imagine Caffeina
as a beautiful woman rising with the steam of your cup. Enjoy a cup of
coffee either alone or with friends and visualize the creativity and
energy that Caffeina brings as you drink her nectar.

By: Emely Flak

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5.: Daily Aromatherapy Tip - Manuka Oil, New Zealand

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:08 am (PST)

Daily Aromatherapy Tip - Manuka Oil, New Zealand
Botanical name : Leptospermum Scoparium/OR/ New Zealand

Manuka oil gives you a good alternative to Tea tree as an anti- infections oil. The main constituents of Manuka oil are
caryophyllene, geraniol, pinene, linalol and humulene and....Leptospermone, which is very insecticidal. Manuka is
anti-viral, anti-fungal and highly bactericidal across a wide spectrum. An excellent antiseptic for use on the skin
and can be used for respiratory infections and it has an anti-histamine action and is anti-allergic in most people.
(test to be sure) It is an effective insecticide and the pleasant scent makes it particularly suitable for use in air sprays
or burners. It can be used in situations where the stronger and more medicinal smelling oils might not be welcome.
The scent is elusive......very sweet and 'gentle'.

AromaThyme.com

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6a.: CANDLEMAS/IMBOLC HERBS

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:08 am (PST)

CANDLEMAS/IMBOLC HERBS
.
This time is known by some as the "Feast of the Waxing Light" it is the time of year that we are beginning to notice
the Sun Gods growth in that the days are becoming longer. This, like MayDay/Beltane, is another pagan holiday
which has survived into the current time, now it is celebrated as Ground Hog Day.

ANGELICA--is best in the ritual cup. In this manner is considered to bring one in contact with the inhabitants of Atlantis
and to bring Atlantean energies into their lives, visions and understanding.

BASIL--this is the traditional time of year for initiations and the initiate should have been taking daily tonics of basil for at least
the last two weeks. It is given now to prepare the innerself for initiation to bring fortitude.

BAY--if the ritual is to be a solemn occasion then it is appropriate to chew one or two (no more than that!) leaves and meditate
upon the growing light and Sun God.

BENZOIN--is used in the incense.

CELANDINE--is used in the ritual cup and tossed into the fire.

HEATHER--is used to decorate the entire space.

MYRRH--is used in the ritual cup and/or incense.

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7a.: Imbolc Protection Spell

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:13 am (PST)

Imbolc Protection Spell

Perform this spell on Imbolc to protect you and your lover.
One of the primary energetic properties of sweet basil is that
of protection.

For this spell you will need a pinch of sweet basil and a cup of
boiling water.

Steep the pinch of basil in the boiling water for about ten minutes.
Hold the cup in your hands, raise it upward as if to make a toast,
and say:

Great Goddess, protect my lover and me in every way.
So that our love may prosper forever and a day.

Then sprinkle the basil water around your bedroom, on your bed covers
and sheets, under your bed, in your hair, and everywhere you want to
be protected from negative energy.

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8.: Imbolc Ideas Having To Do With Fire by Starhawk, Anne Hill, and Dian

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:13 am (PST)

Imbolc Ideas Having To Do With Fire
by Starhawk, Anne Hill, and Diane Baker
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Brigit Fire

Whether we circle around a hearth, outdoor bonfire, or kindle a blaze
in a cast-iron cauldron, in the season of Brigit we welcome the
return of light. Here are some suggestions for a safe and cheerful
blaze.

Cauldron Fire

You will need:
a cast-iron pot of any size
a lid that fits snugly, for putting out the fire
bricks, hotplate or other heat-resistant material to set the cauldron
on.
Epsom salts
rubbing alcohol

To keep the blaze going for 45 minutes in a five quart cauldron, you
need 1/2 gallon of Epsom salts and approximately 4 to 6 pints of
rubbing alcohol

Any cast-iron pot can be made into a cauldron with a fire of Epsom
salts and rubbing alcohol. This is a very safe blaze. Once the
cauldron is secured on a heat-proof surface, pour the Epsom salts in
until the bottom is covered, approximately 1 inch deep. Pour rubbing
alcohol over the salts until the alcohol is about an inch higher than
the salts. Hold a lighted match just above the alcohol. The liquid
will light and produce a strong orange flame. The flame burns cool,
unlike a wood fire, and it is difficult to burn things
in. When the flame gets low, cover to snuff out completely. Add more
rubbing alcohol to the cauldron and relight carefully. The warmer the
rubbing alcohol, the more quickly it ignites. This fire recipe leaves
a significant amount of sediment in the bottom of the cauldron. For
this reason, it is best to dedicate a pot strictly for cauldron use.

Kindling a Fire

This holiday is a good time to teach your older children how to set a
fire and kindle a blaze. Most children are eager to help lay a fire,
but may be too scared to light one. Using long matches often eases
their fear, and with supervision they can become quite proficient at
lighting fires. Children are great at gathering wood. A note of
caution about burning found wood, however: Make sure you inspect the
wood. Scrap plywood gives off toxic fumes, as does wood that has been
painted or coated with urethane. Make sure the wood you are burning
has not been coated with creosote. Creosote is a dark, often tarry
preservative and is commonly found on wood washed up on the beach.
Its fumes are toxic, and when burned, the treated wood creates a
smoky, stinky blaze. Creosote is easy to identify by its smell, which
resembles that of turpentine or paint thinner.

Egg Carton Fire Starters

You will need:
paraffin wax or beeswax (old candle stubs work great for this)
the bottom halves of cardboard egg cartons
sawdust, pine needles, scraps of cotton material, dry pinecones, or
shredded paper
scissors
a pot

Reuse all those old candle ends in this practical, convenient fire
project. Stuff each cardboard egg holder with sawdust or other
flammable material. Melt the wax in a pot, over low to medium heat.
When the wax is melted, carefully pour the wax into each depression
in the egg cartons. Make sure the wax does not overflow. Let cool.
After the wax has cooled down, use scissors to cut the fire starters
apart from each other, leaving the hardened wax inside its cardboard
shell. To use, set one or two fire starters in your fireplace,
surround with kindling and larger wood, and light. The fire starters
will keep burning long enough to light even the most stubborn logs.

Fire Safety

Never leave candles lit and a blazing fire unattended. It is a good
idea to have a pail of water or a fire extinguisher close at hand
when having a fire. If you often light fires at your home, try
growing an aloe vera plant, or keep some of the pure gel on hand in
the fridge, to use as first aid for burns. Fires at the beach are
popular in all seasons, and eliminate some of the risks of fires in
the woods or in the meadow. Few people are aware of how to extinguish
a beach fire safely, however. Covering up a beach fire with sand
actually insulates the coals, keeping them burning through the night.
Those hidden coals will still be red-hot in the morning waiting for
an unsuspecting person to step on them. Always douse a beach fire with
water - seawater works as well as fresh water - until there are no
more live coals. Wait for the steam to clear; then using a stick,
turn over all the coals to make sure no smoldering coals remain.

Candle Hat

One holiday tradition in Scandinavian countries is for the girls to
wear garlands in their hair that hold a circle of lit candles and
bless the light's return. We've adapted this candle custom to honor
the returning light for Brigit. These paper hats are a simple and
safe variation. Draw an inner circle on a 9-inch paper plate, about
an inch from the rim. Next draw very light lines dividing the circle
into quarters. Draw four rectangular candle shapes, keeping the
dividing lines as guides for the candles' centers. The rectangles
will meet in the center of the plate in a small square. Cut out the
candle shapes, preserving their connection to the ring at the rim.
This connection serves as the base of the candle. Bend candles
from their base to stand upright. Decorate candles with markers,
crayons and glitter. use the discarded plate material to cut flame
shapes. Color them bright flame colors, then glue or staple them to
the top of the candles.

Brigit Candles

You will need:
1 recipe salt dough clay
a bowl of water
8 1/2 by 11 inch sheet of paper, one for each candle
wax paper, cut into 8 1/2 by 11 inch sheets, one for each candle tape
1 T vegetable oil
toothpicks
small bowl
candle making supplies

Honor Brigit with new special candles. These candles use molds made
from coiled salt dough ropes so that each completely unique candle
bears the spiral imprint of the coil.

Taper Candles

Make ropes by rolling salt dough clay between your hands. Each rope
should be two or three feet long and 1/4 to 1/2 inch in diameter. If
younger children can't manage such lengths, have them make smaller
segments that can be joined later with a little pressure and water.
Dip your fingers into the bowl of water occasionally if the dough
tends to crack. Roll the paper into a 1 inch wide cylinder and tape
it shut. Around this cylinder, tape a piece of wax paper. Coat the
wax paper with a thin layer of oil. Lightly moisten a salt dough rope
with water. Lay the paper cylinder on its side at one end of the
rope. Roll it along the dough, wrapping the rope up the cylinder
until it is six inches tall. Be sure the edges of the coiled rope
always touch. To provide extra support, at intervals stick several
toothpicks vertically through the coils. Make a bottom for the mold by
shaping another piece of salt dough into a 3/4 inch thick circle
that's larger than the coiled tower in diameter. Moisten the bottom's
surface, then carefully lift the coiled tower onto the bottom piece
and press gently to make a seal. Pull the paper cylinder out. This
slides out easily, leaving the wax paper. Remove it by gently tugging
on the wax paper with one hand while you support the clay coils with
the others. Inspect each part of the mold, looking for tiny cracks
where melted wax could leak. Press these shut. If the coils start to
sag, quickly fashion a paper cylinder around the outside of the coils
and tape it closed. Trim it to the same height as the clay, so it
won't get in the way when you are pouring wax. Set the mold in
an empty bowl, in case wax leaks through. You are ready to pour.
Pouring the wax is thrilling. Go very slowly up each level to make
sure no wax is leaking through. If a leak appears, carefully pinch it
shut and pour again. Insert the wick. The wax will harden within an
hour, long before the clay dries. To unmold, just unwind the clay. If
some sticks, soak the candle in cool water and then gently rinse off
the clay. The candles have a wonderfully craggy spiral looping from
bottom to top, and burn with a lovely strong flame.

Beehive Candles

You can also make beehive candles with great success by coiling ropes
of salt dough in a small, deep bowl. A rice bowl is the perfect size.
It's easier to start with making a spiral, about 3 inches across,
outside of the bowl, then transferring this into the bottom of the
bowl. Next coil the rope inside the bowl until you reach the top. The
candle is burned with the dome side up, so the wick has to be
extended through the wax at the bottom of the bowl. When the wax is
firm enough to insert the wick, use a slightly larger straw than
usual, and push it firmly through the candle, into the dough beneath,
straight to the bottom of the bowl. The candle unmolds easily: Lift
candle and mold from the bowl and uncoil the mold.

Brigit Candleholder

To echo the Goddess's symbol of the serpent, make this candleholder,
which resembles a coiled snake. Follow directions for making a mold
for taper candles, with the following differences:

1. Size your holder by wrapping a paper cylinder around whatever
candle you intend to use. Remove candle before proceeding further.
2. Dough ropes should be about 1/2 inch wide and a foot long. If
candleholder is taller than 4 inches, use toothpicks for extra support.
3. Make the bottom by coiling a rope into a small circle. 4. After
the paper cylinder has been removed, use your candle to gently test
of the open end of the candleholder is large enough to accommodate
the candle. If it's too small, delicately press the opening wider. If
it's too large, fill in with bits of salt dough.
5 Bake the holder as directed. Turn after the first hour to be sure
it does not stick to the pan.
6 Cool completely after baking. Then paint with snaky patterns,
finishing with eyes on the end of the top coil.

From "Circle Round" By Starhawk, Diane Baker and Anne Hill

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9.: IMBOLC - FEBRUARY 2 (Groundhog Day)

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:19 am (PST)

IMBOLC - FEBRUARY 2
(Groundhog Day)

Winter fights valiantly to hold the land. The crisp snows of January
have turned to storms of sleet, and the Earth and the sky are gray,
leaden, and heavy with the cold. But here and there, scattered like
jewels inthe sodden grass and the frozen garden, the first slender tips
of daffodils start up toward the pale, growing Sun, and something in
us stirs as well, as life pulses unseen beneath the still-slumbering
ground.

This is Imbolic, known also as Imbolg, Candlemas, the Festival of Brigid
(pronounced Breed), and the Feast of Lights. The word Imbolc means
"in the belly," or in the womb of Mother Earth, as well as "in milk," which
refers to ewes coming into milk for the first lambs of the season.

This Sabbat marks the return of spring, even as winter continues it's reign.
In ancient times, people honored the Goddess Brigid in her guise as the
waiting bride of the youthful Sun God. A modern tradition at this Sabbat is
"Groundhog's Day," based on an old British rhyme that says, "If Candlemas Day
be bright and clear, there'll be two winters in the year."

Imbolic is a time of cleansing and purification, for discarding outworn things
or the passing year in preparation for the warm spring days ahead and to
make room in our lives for the Earths's new bounty. Rites of initiation and
consecration of altars and ritual tools are often conducted at this Sabbat.

Candle wreaths or wheels are traditional, as the Sun is seen as a candle flame
at Imbolic, compared to the balefire of power at Midsummer. Grain dollies are
representative of the Goddess Bride, and wishing wells and still, deep pools
are the domain of the Goddess this day. Lavender, white, silver, adn red
are traditional colors; amethyst adn quartz crystals are symbolic as well.

The customs of Imbolc include ritual "spring cleaning" of the house, to banish
the last vastiges of winter and hasten the growing days. Use lavender and
rosemary in a pot of boiling water to wash floors and walls, vinegar and
mugwort for windows and mirrors. Burn sage to cleanse the psychic energies,
and replace old protection and prosperity charms.

Cleans your body with a ritual bath scented with lavender, and as you soak,
meditate to clear your mind and heart of any thoughts or emotions that no
longer serve you. Make handipped candles, write Goddess-inspired poetry,
paint, make a collage, or do any other hands-on craft to symbolize the
germination of life and ideas. Wish upon a coin or a crystal, then throw it
into a still body of deep water and ask spirits to bless and guard your desires
until they manifest.

Just before Sunset, turn off all the lights in the house. With a single white
candle burning to represent Brighid, Knock three times on the front door and
invite the Goddess to enter, asking that she bestow health, success, abundance,
and love upon everyone in the house. Then slowly begin turning on the lights,
moving room to room, until every light in the house is on.

By M. Morgan

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10a.: Apuleius, The Golden Ass

Posted by: "Cher Chirichello" CHIC0411@YAHOO.COM chic0411

Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:19 am (PST)

I am Nature, mother of all, mistress of elements, daugh-
ters of time. I control the realms of spirit, I am sovereign
of death, I am queen of the immortals. I am all gods and
goddesses at once. By a gesture I command the shining
vault of sky, the gentle breezes of the sea, even the dark
silence of the underworld. I am worshipped everywhere.

Each nation has its own name for me, seeing only one of
my aspects, knowing only one of my myths, worshiping
me with only one of my possible rites. In ancient Phrygia
I am Pessinunica, mother of gods; in Athens, where men
are birthed from the soil itself, I am Artemis; on the island
of Cyprus I am golden Aphrodite. The Cretan archers call
me Dyctinna, the trilingual Sicilians Prosperina, and the
Elussinians the ageless Mother of Grain. Some call me
Juno, others Bellona of the Battles, others Hecate or
Thanumbia. But there are those who know me best, those
upon whose lands the sun shines first, and they call me by
my truest name: lady Isis, queen of the sky.

Cease your tears now, for I have come to help you. I
looked down and saw the sorrows of your life. So dry
your tears now. All things will soon change for you, as
under my watchful light your life is restored, renewed.
~Apuleius, The Golden Ass

There is an ancient literature perhaps no more inspiring passage about the Goddess than this one, spoken by Isis Panthea - Isis the all Goddess - to her servant Lucius. Having mocked the goddess as a youth, Lucius
was turned into a donkey, in which form he endured many tests and
adventures. Those tests were intended to guide him back to a more
reverent and tender relationship with the goddess, who had loved and
cared for him throughout.

Our lives, too, are
full of tests. We can rail and complain that the universe treats us
unkindly, or we can humbly accept the challenges we are offered,
recognizing that they offer us opportunites to learn and grow. And when
we are able to accept her challenges, we find that Isis the all-goddess
is there to help us meet them.
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By Patricia Monaghan - From " The Goddess Companion"

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11.: Candlemas/Imbolc Celebration, Jan. 31, West Haven CT

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Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:41 am (PST)

Candlemas/Imbolc Celebration, Jan. 31, West Haven CT

Time Monday, January 31 · 7:00pm - 9:00pm
Location
Curious Goods 415 Campbell Ave West Haven CT

Created By Sambina West

MAGIC MONDAY CLUB
7:00-9:00 PM $10

JAN 31—CANDLEMAS/IMBOLC CELEBRATION– Join LadyHawke, Sambina and Sam Hain as we sweep out the circle for Imbolc/Candlemas. There will be rituals, rites, a meditation, an open circle, and a feast. Free Candles. Please bring in food or drink to share for the feast.

The Magic Monday Club was started in 1991 as a safe haven, where
beginners & practitioners of the craft could go and discuss
Witchcraft, Magickal, & New Age topics. Over the years we try to
keep the club a positive, fun group while bringing a greater
knowledge and understanding to all. We have open discussions, or we
may have a guest teacher. We celebrate the Sabbats & all are welcomed
to join in the rituals. Good magic only. PLEASE CALL FOR SNOW
CANCELLATIONS!!!

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12.: The Goddess & sacred Crystal Healing, Jan. 26 Montclair NJ

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Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:44 am (PST)

The Goddess & sacred Crystal Healing, Jan. 26 Montclair NJ
Date and Time:
WED JAN 26 2011 - 7-9:30pm

PLEASE RSVP TO ALL EVENTS
973-919-3600

Location:

Goddess in Eden
74 Church Street
Montclair, NJ, 07042
http://GoddessInEden.com

Allison Hayes

In this class, Allison and Robin bring the student a complete 'level one' under-standing
of working with crystals and the divine feminine energies for sacred healing.

We will delve deeply into the specific healing properties of me that month's stones,
their proper placement, and the energy they express. We will also discuss that month's goddesses:

their history, the archetypes they represent, and how to combine
their energy with the stones for sacred healing.

JANUARY Grounding, Centering & Balance
Certification is available for this program.
Drop-In: $75 Discount Available with Student Package

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14.: Heads-Up, Cher, Our Snow-Day Specials have been posted

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Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:21 am (PST)

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