Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: Midnightwarrior
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: Martha Dickinson
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: WitchToy@AOL.com
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: WitchToy@AOL.com
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: WitchToy@AOL.com
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: Lori Bauersfeld
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: WitchToy@AOL.com
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: WitchToy@AOL.com
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: WitchToy@AOL.com
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: Martha Dickinson
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: Martha Dickinson
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: Martha Dickinson
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- Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann??? From: Martha Dickinson
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- Fwd: Beck's latest brings death threats to a 78-year-old woman From: WitchToy@AOL.com
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- Re: Fwd: Beck's latest brings death threats to a 78-year-old woman From: Martha Dickinson
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- Moderation needed. From: Don W
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- Re: Moderation needed. From: Martha Dickinson
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- Re: Moderation needed. From: Midnightwarrior
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- Re: Moderation needed. From: Martha Dickinson
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- Re: Moderation needed. From: Midnightwarrior
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- Re: Moderation needed. From: Martha Dickinson
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- Re: Moderation needed. From: Midnightwarrior
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- Re: Moderation needed. From: Martha Dickinson
- 4a.
- DailyOM: Full Release From: Cher Chirichello
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- Fw: A New Issue of Wellbriety! Online Magazine From: Cher Chirichello
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "Midnightwarrior" midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com midnightwarrior13
Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:06 am (PST)
Then give it up and let it drop. Obviously, either she doesn't want to comply, or she doesn't think that your emotional ranting is worth it. That would be my opinion on why you aren't getting any.
With the outburst of anger and twisting you have done on this thread, I would just ignore your demands also.
Take a deep breath and think about it. Then either stop and move on, or get used to being ignored.
Midnight
--- In which_witch_is_witch@ , Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@yahoogroups. com ...> wrote:
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> I'm trying to get proof to back up some rather nasty accusations made by
> some others thus far it's not been forthcoming
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> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Cher <CHIC0411@...> wrote:
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:08 am (PST)
Honey I don't think asking for proof is inappropraite in any form, I make
character assasition type comment on someone I would hope someone would call
me on it and ask me to put up or shut up so to speak
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Midnightwarrior <
midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com > wrote:
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> Then give it up and let it drop. Obviously, either she doesn't want to
> comply, or she doesn't think that your emotional ranting is worth it. That
> would be my opinion on why you aren't getting any.
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> With the outburst of anger and twisting you have done on this thread, I
> would just ignore your demands also.
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> Take a deep breath and think about it. Then either stop and move on, or get
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> Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@...> wrote:
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "WitchToy@AOL.com" WitchToy@AOL.com spellsinger2002
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:15 am (PST)
You wouldn't call him that if you ever watched him take apart the bs
spewing spin masters on the right on his show. He regularly makes mincemeat out
of them. They keep forgetting he actually worked for the Senate.
In a message dated 1/24/2011 2:29:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
enigma9363@gmail.com writes:
(and Lawrence 'Milque-toast' O'Donnell).
Lori B
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "WitchToy@AOL.com" WitchToy@AOL.com spellsinger2002
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:20 am (PST)
Ummmm, MSNBC is NOT a "failing" station." Their ratings are actually
middle of the road for a news/commentary network. Several of their time slots
beat Fox and most actually beat CNN. Google is your friend on this.
In a message dated 1/25/2011 5:17:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
I'm not an
olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "WitchToy@AOL.com" WitchToy@AOL.com spellsinger2002
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:27 am (PST)
Actually, Glenn Beck HAS a diagnosis of mental illness. He's supposed to
be taking lithium to control his mood swings, he's just non-compliant.
Several of his old radio bosses had to ask him if he took his meds before
allowing him on the air. He also thinks he's above the law and regulations.
Did you know he once called the wife of an on-air rival and put her on the
air (without her knowledge or permission, which is illegal, BTW) and spent
several minutes berating her, on air, because she had a miscarriage? I,
personally, would have pressed charges, but the woman had literally gotten out
of the hospital just a few days before and was already traumatized enough.
All one has to do is listen to what happens when someone less than friendly
to his point of view manages to make it past the screeners on his radio
show. He screamed like a maniac at one person who said something he didn't
like. There's probably YouTube video, but the less I have to listen to his
crazy, the better I feel.
In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:14:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
those who dare to belive differently then you do
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
(mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com ) > wrote:
You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "Lori Bauersfeld" enigma9363@gmail.com enigma9363
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:30 am (PST)
<shrugs> Whenever he would take over for Olbermann he would seem like a fish
out of water - very dry delivery. As a federal employee, I'm sure he was
great - but as a performer, nah. Remember I would watch the show as
entertainment.........
Lori B
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM, <WitchToy@aol.com > wrote:
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> spewing spin masters on the right on his show. He regularly makes mincemeat
> out of them. They keep forgetting he actually worked for the Senate.
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> In a message dated 1/24/2011 2:29:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> enigma9363@gmail.com writes:
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> (and Lawrence 'Milque-toast' O'Donnell).
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> Lori B
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "WitchToy@AOL.com" WitchToy@AOL.com spellsinger2002
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:32 am (PST)
OK, you want proof that Glenn Beck is nuts? Here you go. This is him
losing his shit on a caller to his radio show. This is the one I referenced
before. _http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=YA7-BvVDV10_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch? ) I'm on the hunt for more.v=YA7-BvVDV10
In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:23:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
I am kind of seeing a pattern though I've asked you to prove things 3
times now, each time, well there were some vague statements one time with no
back up, each time you engage on a slightly nastier attack on someone else.
If you can't back up your insults and allegations or don't wanna cause you
know it's (your word) scary and he's a meanie poopie head or what ever name
comes next to have to see another point of view that's fine just say that
and I'll drop it, but you make accusations you have to back them up, it's
part of having a discussion as an adult.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
(mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com ) > wrote:
You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
Lori B
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <_mensachickie@gmail.com _
(mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they should
be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely does
.. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged... not
scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the Holocaust
because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn folks
against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no longer
investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings because
oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to your term
scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these are the
ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly believes
that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it with back
up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is documented very
well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase, don't believe
anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the research and make
your own decisions.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
(mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com ) > wrote:
Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and "The
Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the information
those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word "evil". I'm
going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little I have seen
of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best described
with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative commentator. As was
William F. Buckley.
I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his name
at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when he
speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
Lori B
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson
<_mensachickie@gmail.com _ (mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
important
It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
fine.
Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
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<_mensachickie@gmail.com _ (mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
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evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs. None of my
comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't have a right to
say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
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regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and
so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every
day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
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another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly nasty
comments and demonize those that do.
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are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of
view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else
it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
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from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
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don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be as
unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
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football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed the
channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "WitchToy@AOL.com" WitchToy@AOL.com spellsinger2002
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:37 am (PST)
More proof. This time, it's a composite of his "Greatest Hits". You want
more? Goddess Bless Media Matters For America!
_http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ETxEcWFMU1s_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch? )v=ETxEcWFMU1s
In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:25:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
all I'm asking for is proof honey, let them damn themselves in their own
words .. they're all over the internet it's not hard to find... you guys
want to insult peoples character because they dare to disagree with you prove
it.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Don Wildgrube <_dwildgrube@earthlink. _net
(mailto:dwildgrube@earthlink.net ) > wrote:
I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the
comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are getting
no where with your constant asking for more and more without commenting on
what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get back to what this
site is intended for.
"It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open
one's mouth and removing all doubt."
B*B, Don
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From: Martha Dickinson
Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
To: _which_witch_is_witch@ _yahoogroups. com
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Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
Olbermann???
Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
those who dare to belive differently then you do
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
(mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com ) > wrote:
You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
Lori B
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <_mensachickie@gmail.com _
(mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they should
be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely does
.. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged... not
scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn folks
against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no longer
investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings because
oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to your
term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these are
the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it with
back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is documented very
well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase, don't believe
anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the research and make
your own decisions.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
(mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com ) > wrote:
Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and "The
Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the information
those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word "evil". I'm
going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little I have seen
of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best described
with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative commentator. As was
William F. Buckley.
I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when he
speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
Lori B
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson
<_mensachickie@gmail.com _ (mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
important
It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
fine.
Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
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say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
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sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and
so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every
day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
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another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly nasty
comments and demonize those that do.
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view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else
it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
honest reaction to fearmongering.
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>> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
prime time news.
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>> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
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unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
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football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed the
channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "WitchToy@AOL.com" WitchToy@AOL.com spellsinger2002
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:44 am (PST)
Screw it, let me just post a crapload of proof that Beck is bat shit crazy
and an instigator.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=eFWOLSIhYMg_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch? )v=eFWOLSIhYMg
_http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ppC00XhVy- Q_
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In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:28:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
and I'm not asking for more and more I haven't received any yet, or at
least been told specifically how the one specific thing that was referred to
would even remotely be considered fear mongering the rest was just a vague
generalization
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Martha Dickinson <_mensachickie@gmail.com _
(mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
all I'm asking for is proof honey, let them damn themselves in their own
words .. they're all over the internet it's not hard to find... you guys
want to insult peoples character because they dare to disagree with you prove
it.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Don Wildgrube <_dwildgrube@earthlink. _net
(mailto:dwildgrube@earthlink.net ) > wrote:
I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the
comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are getting
no where with your constant asking for more and more without commenting on
what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get back to what this
site is intended for.
"It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open
one's mouth and removing all doubt."
B*B, Don
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From: Martha Dickinson
Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
To: _which_witch_is_witch@ _yahoogroups. com
(mailto:which_witch_is_witch@ )yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
Olbermann???
Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
those who dare to belive differently then you do
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
(mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com ) > wrote:
You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers, and
his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
Lori B
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <_mensachickie@gmail.com _
(mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely does
.. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged... not
scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn folks
against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no longer
investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to your
term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these are
the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it with
back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is documented
very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase, don't believe
anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the research and make
your own decisions.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <_enigma9363@gmail.com _
(mailto:enigma9363@gmail.com ) > wrote:
Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and "The
Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the information
those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word "evil". I'm
going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little I have seen
of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best described
with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative commentator. As was
William F. Buckley.
I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be heard.
That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when he
speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
Lori B
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson
<_mensachickie@gmail.com _ (mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
important
It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
fine.
Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
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> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson
<_mensachickie@gmail.com _ (mailto:mensachickie@gmail.com ) > wrote:
> I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on examples.
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to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
fearmongering, if you were confused.
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regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams and
so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly every
day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
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>> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually showing
another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess that's
the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and non
violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it freedom
and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total and
complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when someone
exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make silly
nasty comments and demonize those that do.
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are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point of
view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing else
it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks to
think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
honest reaction to fearmongering.
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>> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any other
prime time news.
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>> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor usually
from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the Nation
and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live right
outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's from
reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
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ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every other news
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evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be as
unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
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football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed the
channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:09 pm (PST)
again proof is a good thing, find some reliable documentation on it flapping
gums don't do much
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:27 PM, <WitchToy@aol.com > wrote:
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> Actually, Glenn Beck HAS a diagnosis of mental illness. He's supposed to
> be taking lithium to control his mood swings, he's just non-compliant.
> Several of his old radio bosses had to ask him if he took his meds before
> allowing him on the air. He also thinks he's above the law and
> regulations. Did you know he once called the wife of an on-air rival and
> put her on the air (without her knowledge or permission, which is illegal,
> BTW) and spent several minutes berating her, on air, because she had a
> miscarriage? I, personally, would have pressed charges, but the woman had
> literally gotten out of the hospital just a few days before and was already
> traumatized enough.
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> All one has to do is listen to what happens when someone less than friendly
> to his point of view manages to make it past the screeners on his radio
> show. He screamed like a maniac at one person who said something he didn't
> like. There's probably YouTube video, but the less I have to listen to his
> crazy, the better I feel.
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> In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:14:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
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> Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
> there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
> those who dare to belive differently then you do
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:11 pm (PST)
sigh and of course through a filter cause you know thing for yourself passee
:) and no media matters doesn't have an agenda... I'll watch them at home at
work now I'll probably post back the actual you know clip instead of just
the nifty pretty cut out parts
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:36 PM, <WitchToy@aol.com > wrote:
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> More proof. This time, it's a composite of his "Greatest Hits". You want
> more? Goddess Bless Media Matters For America!
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ETxEcWFMU1s
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> In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:25:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
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> all I'm asking for is proof honey, let them damn themselves in their own
> words .. they're all over the internet it's not hard to find... you guys
> want to insult peoples character because they dare to disagree with you
> prove it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@earthlink.net >wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the
>> comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are
>> getting no where with your constant asking for more and more without
>> commenting on what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get
>> back to what this site is intended for.
>>
>> "It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open
>> one's mouth and removing all doubt."
>>
>> B*B, Don
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martha Dickinson
>> Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
>> To: which_witch_is_witch@ yahoogroups. com
>> Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
>> Olbermann???
>>
>>
>>
>> Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
>> there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
>> those who dare to belive differently then you do
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers,
>>> and his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
>>>
>>> Lori B
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
>>>> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
>>>> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
>>>> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
>>>> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
>>>> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
>>>> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
>>>> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
>>>> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
>>>> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
>>>> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
>>>> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
>>>> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
>>>> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
>>>> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
>>>> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
>>>> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
>>>> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
>>>> research and make your own decisions.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>>>>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>>>>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>>>>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>>>>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>>>>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>>>>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>>>>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be
>>>>> heard. That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>>>>
>>>>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
>>>>> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
>>>>> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
>>>>> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
>>>>> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
>>>>> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
>>>>> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
>>>>> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori B
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>>>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>>>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>>>>> important
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>>>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>>>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>>>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>>>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>>>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>>>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not an
>>>>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>>>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>>>>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>>>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>>>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>>>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>>>>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary
>>>>>> channel. Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on
>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not.
>>>>>> Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs.
>>>>>> None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't
>>>>>> have a right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>>>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>>>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>>>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>>>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>>>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
>>>>>> showing another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess
>>>>>> that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and
>>>>>> non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it
>>>>>> freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total
>>>>>> and complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
>>>>>> someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make
>>>>>> silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators.
>>>>>> Those are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point
>>>>>> of view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>>>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>>>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>>>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>>>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any
>>>>>> other prime time news.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor
>>>>>> usually from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the
>>>>>> Nation and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live
>>>>>> right outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's
>>>>>> from reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed
>>>>>> minded, ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every
>>>>>> other news channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news, I
>>>>>> don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
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>>>>
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>>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:11 pm (PST)
I'll watch when I get home, but prove anything he said is factually
incorrect I honestly don't thing you'll be able to do it
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, <WitchToy@aol.com > wrote:
>
>
> Screw it, let me just post a crapload of proof that Beck is bat shit crazy
> and an instigator.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=eFWOLSIhYMg
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ppC00XhVy- Q
>
>
> In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:28:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>
> and I'm not asking for more and more I haven't received any yet, or at
> least been told specifically how the one specific thing that was referred to
> would even remotely be considered fear mongering the rest was just a vague
> generalization
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com >wrote:
>
>> all I'm asking for is proof honey, let them damn themselves in their own
>> words .. they're all over the internet it's not hard to find... you guys
>> want to insult peoples character because they dare to disagree with you
>> prove it.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@earthlink.net >wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the
>>> comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are
>>> getting no where with your constant asking for more and more without
>>> commenting on what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get
>>> back to what this site is intended for.
>>>
>>> "It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open
>>> one's mouth and removing all doubt."
>>>
>>> B*B, Don
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Martha Dickinson
>>> Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
>>> To: which_witch_is_witch@ yahoogroups. com
>>> Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
>>> Olbermann???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
>>> there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
>>> those who dare to belive differently then you do
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers,
>>>> and his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
>>>>
>>>> Lori B
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
>>>>> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
>>>>> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
>>>>> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
>>>>> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
>>>>> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
>>>>> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
>>>>> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
>>>>> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
>>>>> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
>>>>> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
>>>>> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
>>>>> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
>>>>> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
>>>>> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
>>>>> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
>>>>> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
>>>>> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
>>>>> research and make your own decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>>>>>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>>>>>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>>>>>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>>>>>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>>>>>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>>>>>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>>>>>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be
>>>>>> heard. That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud Columbia
>>>>>> University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing Justice
>>>>>> Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor interesting and
>>>>>> thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor (I forget his
>>>>>> name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency to spit when
>>>>>> he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in America" who has
>>>>>> some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he is very
>>>>>> interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>>>>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>>>>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>>>>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>>>>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>>>>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>>>>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>>>>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>>>>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>>>>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and frankly
>>>>>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>>>>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>>>>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>>>>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's just
>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>>>>>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary
>>>>>>> channel. Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on
>>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not.
>>>>>>> Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs.
>>>>>>> None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't
>>>>>>> have a right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>>>>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>>>>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>>>>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>>>>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>>>>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
>>>>>>> showing another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess
>>>>>>> that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and
>>>>>>> non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it
>>>>>>> freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total
>>>>>>> and complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
>>>>>>> someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make
>>>>>>> silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators.
>>>>>>> Those are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point
>>>>>>> of view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>>>>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>>>>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>>>>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>>>>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any
>>>>>>> other prime time news.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor
>>>>>>> usually from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the
>>>>>>> Nation and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live
>>>>>>> right outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's
>>>>>>> from reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed
>>>>>>> minded, ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every
>>>>>>> other news channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news,
>>>>>>> I don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX unless
>>>>>>> football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap operas
>>>>>>> and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit myopic.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>>>> >>
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Re: Upset about our friend, Keith Olbermann???
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:14 pm (PST)
and honey disagreeing and presenting another point of view that disagrees
with you even though it's documented and factually accurate does not mean
bat shit crazy it means he has another point of view, people do have
different views they all don't have to agree with you it doesn't make the
wrong or crazy or evil it makes them different, part of being a grown up is
learning how to accept other points of views that we find oogy :)
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com >wrote:
> I'll watch when I get home, but prove anything he said is factually
> incorrect I honestly don't thing you'll be able to do it
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, <WitchToy@aol.com > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Screw it, let me just post a crapload of proof that Beck is bat shit crazy
>> and an instigator.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=eFWOLSIhYMg
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ppC00XhVy- Q
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:28:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> mensachickie@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> and I'm not asking for more and more I haven't received any yet, or at
>> least been told specifically how the one specific thing that was referred to
>> would even remotely be considered fear mongering the rest was just a vague
>> generalization
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> all I'm asking for is proof honey, let them damn themselves in their own
>>> words .. they're all over the internet it's not hard to find... you guys
>>> want to insult peoples character because they dare to disagree with you
>>> prove it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Don Wildgrube <dwildgrube@earthlink.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't agree with Lori on some things, but she is right on with the
>>>> comments about Beck. As she says, this is now a moot point. You are
>>>> getting no where with your constant asking for more and more without
>>>> commenting on what was presented. So lets bring this to a close and get
>>>> back to what this site is intended for.
>>>>
>>>> "It is wiser to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to
>>>> open one's mouth and removing all doubt."
>>>>
>>>> B*B, Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Martha Dickinson
>>>> Sent: Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>> To: which_witch_is_witch@ yahoogroups. com
>>>> Subject: Re: [which_witch_is_witch] Upset about our friend, Keith
>>>> Olbermann???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those are some pretty serious, I'd say borderline slander.. prove it,
>>>> there's clips all over put up or knock it off and stop bashing and insulting
>>>> those who dare to belive differently then you do
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You just made this discussion moot. Beck is nuts, completely bonkers,
>>>>> and his self-described messianic ramblings are full of circular reasoning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I mean clips, they're all over the internet of how they're using
>>>>>> rhetoric and emotion to change folks minds instead of just doing what they
>>>>>> should be doing, what the media is supposed to do and unfortunately rarely
>>>>>> does .. giving facts with documentation... how would giving facts about
>>>>>> documentation ever be the the wrong thing to do, I think I just really don't
>>>>>> understand that point, how would that be anything other then encouraged...
>>>>>> not scary maybe uncomfortable if you disagree but where would it end it is a
>>>>>> frightening slippery slope... should teachers stop teaching about the
>>>>>> Holocaust because the facts are nauseating and uncomfortable and may turn
>>>>>> folks against nazis even though they only present facts, should the media no
>>>>>> longer investigate Jim Bob for defrauding old ladies of their life savings
>>>>>> because oh no we may not like Jim Bob any more? My main objection was to
>>>>>> your term scary and then fear mongering in differing opinions, I think these
>>>>>> are the ones that should be encouraged and shouted the loudest. O'Reilly
>>>>>> believes that Christmas is under attack in public places, he presents it
>>>>>> with back up documentation, everything Beck presents on his show is
>>>>>> documented very well, and the line he says the most is, and I paraphrase,
>>>>>> don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything anyone says do the
>>>>>> research and make your own decisions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course you are and I gave you a couple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those we mentioned are entertainers, not newsmen. Yes, O'Reilly and
>>>>>>> Olbermann may have real newsmen on the show, but like "The Daily Show" and
>>>>>>> "The Colbert Report", it is the hosts who decide whether and how the
>>>>>>> information those newsmen provide is conveyed. I never used the word
>>>>>>> "evil". I'm going to stick with scary and fearmongering because what little
>>>>>>> I have seen of both O'Reilly and Beck their form of entertainment is best
>>>>>>> described with those words. Lou Dobbs was a better conservative
>>>>>>> commentator. As was William F. Buckley.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with your statement that uncomfortable speakers should be
>>>>>>> heard. That's why I watch C-Span. Oh, and First Church every Sunday....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find Ahmadinejad disturbing and uncomfortable but I applaud
>>>>>>> Columbia University's having him to speak. I'm looking forward to hearing
>>>>>>> Justice Scalia's speeches. I found Justices Ginsberg and O'Connor
>>>>>>> interesting and thought-provoking. There is an African-American professor
>>>>>>> (I forget his name at the moment) with dark Einstein-ish hair and a tendency
>>>>>>> to spit when he speaks that is always asked on panels about "Blacks in
>>>>>>> America" who has some very uncomfortable positions on a lot of issues but he
>>>>>>> is very interesting to hear. John McCain has always had my attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to "poop head meanie faces", I have never heard the term.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lori B
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking for specifics with you made an accusation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And last time I checked giving facts backed up with proof really not
>>>>>>>> fear mongering really just presenting another side of a discussion
>>>>>>>> which I know we've ascertained is scary and confusing but rather
>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the speakers we find most troubling, most disturbing presenting
>>>>>>>> things we find uncomfortable that deserve the most protection. If
>>>>>>>> they preach neither violence or sedition I want them to speak. Nay
>>>>>>>> scream their opinions in a celebration of freedom. I'm not an
>>>>>>>> olberman fan, can't stand him actually, but I take no pleasure in
>>>>>>>> seeing him silenced though from what I've seen it's more new owners
>>>>>>>> trying to rehab a badly failing station than a conspiracy. I'm not
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> msnbc fan either I think it's more opinion than hard news and I
>>>>>>>> disagree with most of the views that I've seen from them, and
>>>>>>>> frankly
>>>>>>>> my free time is limited, so I don't watch them much. It doesnt mean
>>>>>>>> they're scary, or evil, or fear mongers, or poop head meanie faces
>>>>>>>> even it means they have a different view of things, doesn't make
>>>>>>>> either them or wrong or right it makes them different and that's
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>> Different opinions shouldn't be scary they should be celebrated
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <enigma9363@gmail.com >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > O'Reilly's yearly "War on Christmas" is one. Any of Beck's
>>>>>>>> diatribes on the blackboard.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > As I said before, I tend to turn it off or to a documentary
>>>>>>>> channel. Or watch Q & A or congress's sessions on C-span.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>> > I know the definition of fearmongering thx still waiting on
>>>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2011, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> You are focused on the mainstream media. I am not.
>>>>>>>> Conservatism isn't evil, I tend to be a bit right of center in my beliefs.
>>>>>>>> None of my comments were silly nor did I demonize. I never said they didn't
>>>>>>>> have a right to say what they do. I used the dictionary meaning of the word
>>>>>>>> fearmongering, if you were confused.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Really give me some examples please because I watch with great
>>>>>>>> regularity and I haven't seen it (as I also watch and read many other news
>>>>>>>> sources), and I'm guessing Bob Beckel, Joe Trippi, Doug Shoan, Juan Williams
>>>>>>>> and so on and so on .. you know the ones that are on Hannity and O'reilly
>>>>>>>> every day are soooo conservative.. just evil.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> So I'm guessing your definition for fear mongering is actually
>>>>>>>> showing another point of view than most of the main stream media? I guess
>>>>>>>> that's the difference would NEVER call someone legally, constitutionally and
>>>>>>>> non violently expressing another point of view fear mongering, I call it
>>>>>>>> freedom and would actively encourage it whether I thought they were total
>>>>>>>> and complete idiots or not. So excuse me if I don't fall in terror when
>>>>>>>> someone exposes another point, though I do get aggravated when folks make
>>>>>>>> silly nasty comments and demonize those that do.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> To be honest, my biggest beef is with their news commentators.
>>>>>>>> Those are the ones I find scary - Beck, O'Reilly and the like. Their "point
>>>>>>>> of view" is usually a call to arms, literally. And there is nothing on the
>>>>>>>> channel that balances the anger they project. To those who watch nothing
>>>>>>>> else it places an "us" against "them" mentality instead of encouraging folks
>>>>>>>> to think for themselves. Snide and nasty is inappropriate to apply to an
>>>>>>>> honest reaction to fearmongering.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Their regular news is usually just as innocuous and banal as any
>>>>>>>> other prime time news.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> As I said before, I don't get my news from either extreme nor
>>>>>>>> usually from tv news channels. I'd rather read The Washington Post and the
>>>>>>>> Nation and the Wall Street Journal and the Philadelphia Inquirer (I live
>>>>>>>> right outside of Philadelphia) and the Courier Press (I live in NJ). It's
>>>>>>>> from reading those that I chose 'scary'. Nothing close-minded about it.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> and I thing your comment was snide, slightly nasty and closed
>>>>>>>> minded, ooooh a channel that shows a different point of view than every
>>>>>>>> other news channel out there **shiver** scary
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lori Bauersfeld <
>>>>>>>> enigma9363@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Since both MSNBC and FOX are more entertainment than actual news,
>>>>>>>> I don't get my information from either one. They are both extremes, as
>>>>>>>> evidenced by Olbermann and Beck. To rely on either one as a source would be
>>>>>>>> as unrounded or uninformed as you stated.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Just I prefer not to watch horror films, I do not watch FOX
>>>>>>>> unless football is on. Just I also prefer not to watch 'chick flicks', soap
>>>>>>>> operas and other overdramatic venues, I do not watch MSNBC - I only watched
>>>>>>>> Olbermann because he was funny 60% of the time. When he wasn't, I changed
>>>>>>>> the channel or turned off the TV and read a book.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> So, snide comments aside, I think your assumption is a bit
>>>>>>>> myopic.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Lori B
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Martha Dickinson <
>>>>>>>> mensachickie@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
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Re: Fwd: Beck's latest brings death threats to a 78-year-old woman
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:18 pm (PST)
um honey if you actually listen to what he actually said and not what is
filtered through progressive organizations with an agenda he never
threatened her he played her own words .. .that's right HER OWN WORDS, never
said anything about violence, and decried it on many occasions
Thinking for yourself and not taking someone elses word for things without
doing the requisite research really also a sign of a grown up... now if you
just share their agenda and want to believe everything that they say without
due diligence more power to you, but don't try to pass it off as fact.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:45 PM, <WitchToy@aol.com > wrote:
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>
>
> Here's more on Glenn Beck...
>
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> The latest target of Glenn Beck's paranoid conspiracy fantasies has been
> receiving death threats. Enough is enough. Make advertisers Drop Fox now.
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> Dear Amy,
>
> Glenn Beck's latest conspiracy theory target is a 78-year-old professor
> who, 45 years ago, published an article with her husband which posited that
> people overwhelming the welfare rolls could put enough stress on the system
> that it would force the need for certain reforms to help the poor.
>
> The result? City University of New York professor and longtime advocate for
> the poor and working class, Frances Fox Piven has been receiving repeated
> death threats on online message boards and has personally received angry and
> violent emails.1
>
> Beck has chosen to escalate these attacks even after the sad instance of
> political violence we recently experienced -- and are still recovering from
> -- in Arizona. Amidst calls to bring an end to incendiary, violence-causing
> rhetoric, Beck is doubling down, and if his network and advertisers simply
> sit back and watch, they must be held accountable for any violence this
> rhetoric may reap.
>
> *This is over the line, even for Beck. Tell advertisers to Drop Fox right
> now. <http://site.pfaw.org/ >site/R?i= AkQHCX_A_ MlbL-CNyXe68A. .
>
> Advertisers' sponsorship of the network that gives Beck his platform is
> unacceptable. Let these companies know that Americans are watching them and
> are ready to hold them accountable.*
>
> Beck says that the Frances Fox Piven and her now-deceased husband's goal
> was to "intentionally collapse our economic system," and he traces every
> paranoid fantasy of liberal plots to destroy America and capitalism (the
> mythical "voter fraud" by ACORN, health care and financial reform, the Obama
> presidency itself) directly to what he calls the "Cloward-Piven Strategy"
> (Cloward being Piven's late husband).
>
> In light of the escalation of violent, rage-filled comments directed at
> Piven by presumed Beck fans, groups like the Center for Constitutional
> Rights have been calling on Fox News to make Beck cease his personal
> attacks. But Fox refuses. According to the *New York Times*:
>
> Joel Cheatwood, a senior vice president, said Friday that Mr. Beck would
> not be ordered to stop talking about Ms. Piven on television. He said Mr.
> Beck had quoted her accurately and had never threatened her.
>
> "'The Glenn Beck Program,' probably above and beyond any on television, has
> denounced violence repeatedly," Mr. Cheatwood said.
>
> Mr. Cheatwood, that is simply not true. *Here's what we know:*
>
> Byron Williams, the would-be assassin of staff of the ACLU and the Tides
> Foundation in San Francisco, who was stopped by police in a shootout in July
> 2010, cited Glenn Beck as his inspiration, specifically singling out Beck
> programs from June of that year in which Williams said Beck had "been
> breaking open some of the most hideous corruption." It was on his Fox News
> show of June 10 that year that Glenn Beck said, *"You're gonna have to
> shoot them in the head,"* in reference to Democrats such as then U.S.
> House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who he described as a Marxist "revolutionary" and
> "communist."
>
> *Now this cycle is starting to repeat itself right before our very eyes!
>
> Enough is enough. Make advertisers Drop Fox now.<http://site.pfaw.org/ >site/R?i= Cq5dWzaUYSUecnNx K_83GA..
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> It's very important that after you take action, you share this petition
> with others -- recommending it to your friends on Facebook is one great way.
> *
>
> Thanks for standing up to right-wing bullies and their dangerous attacks.
>
> -- Ben Betz, Online Communications Manager
>
> 1. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/ 01/22/business/ media/22beck. htm
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Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Don W" dwildgrube@earthlink.net dwildgrube
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:24 pm (PST)
Cher and the other moderators:
Since when did this become a political site. And when did the statement in the home page of this list, " We don't discriminate against anyones beliefs," become null and void.
From what I understand this person had been moderated on other lists for her argumentative attitude and statements. It seem that she should be moderated here.
Like I said in an earlier post, "Lets get back to what this list was intended for."
B*B, Don
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Re: Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:32 pm (PST)
I will stand up for what I believe and if that's argumentative I can live
with that. I'm sorry I seem to be on the wrong side of the isle from most
and I know that's considered evil or what ever. I have never initiated a
political discussion and will not, but I will also not stand idly by and
watch the name calling and the attacks and not say something. I'm fine
dropping this or leaving either one let me know.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Don W <dwildgrube@earthlink.net > wrote:
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>
> Cher and the other moderators:
>
> Since when did this become a political site. And when did the statement in
> the home page of this list, " We don't discriminate against anyones
> beliefs," become null and void.
>
> From what I understand this person had been moderated on other lists for
> her argumentative attitude and statements. It seem that she should be
> moderated here.
>
> Like I said in an earlier post, "Lets get back to what this list was
> intended for."
>
> B*B, Don
>
>
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Re: Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Midnightwarrior" midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com midnightwarrior13
Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:02 pm (PST)
So, Hilter just had a different point of view? Stalin? Mao Tse Tung? Timothy McVeigh?
Yes, anyone can have their own point of view. But with that comes the responsibility of tempering it with reason and diplomacy. Basically, watch what and how you say something, because it can influence other people--some reasonable and some not--into doing things that are violent and bad.
Is there anything wrong with stating an opinion? No. But, when an opinion is spewed across the airwaves with using bad wordage, then it becomes irresponsible behavior. I won't discard the victims of the Tucson shootings as not being an excellent example of what can happen when this kind of "flap jawing" is used by people who are in a position to influence others.
There is a very wide river between stating an opinion, and spewing it with hate and vigor over public airwaves in not just as undignified way, but a harmful way. And if you for one minute think that this kind of method doesn't cause others to rise up and harm others, then there is no use even opening your posts anymore.
As Lori has stated, you have made this a moot discussion because all you seem to be out for is "proving" to others that you are right and you don't even read what others have stated.
This isn't a political forum. And, since you mention it with your last sentence, you have been ask and even told to let it go and move on. That was this morning, and you are still doing your best to keep it alive and flaming. As to the last option, if you choose it, don't let the garden gate hit you in the butt on the way out, "honey".
This kind of behavior is why there is no discussion on these groups anymore. It makes for a very hostile environment.
Midnight
--- In which_witch_is_witch@ , Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@yahoogroups. com ...> wrote:
>
> I will stand up for what I believe and if that's argumentative I can live
> with that. I'm sorry I seem to be on the wrong side of the isle from most
> and I know that's considered evil or what ever. I have never initiated a
> political discussion and will not, but I will also not stand idly by and
> watch the name calling and the attacks and not say something. I'm fine
> dropping this or leaving either one let me know.
>
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Re: Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:07 pm (PST)
Beck (and I'm not a huge fan) has never called for violence or the slaughter
of millions that's kind of a HUGE difference, he presents well documented
facts I'm sorry you don't like him, I'm sorry you find him scary and
offensive but he has a right to do what he does, he does not call people to
violence and says repeatedly to handle things within the system (they dn't
show that part on media matters :( sorry) I'm trying to make a point, that
vilifying those that disagree without first hand knowlege and having it only
viewed though a filter of those who you agree with can be astonishingly
destructive
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Midnightwarrior <
midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>
> So, Hilter just had a different point of view? Stalin? Mao Tse Tung?
> Timothy McVeigh?
>
> Yes, anyone can have their own point of view. But with that comes the
> responsibility of tempering it with reason and diplomacy. Basically, watch
> what and how you say something, because it can influence other people--some
> reasonable and some not--into doing things that are violent and bad.
>
> Is there anything wrong with stating an opinion? No. But, when an opinion
> is spewed across the airwaves with using bad wordage, then it becomes
> irresponsible behavior. I won't discard the victims of the Tucson shootings
> as not being an excellent example of what can happen when this kind of "flap
> jawing" is used by people who are in a position to influence others.
>
> There is a very wide river between stating an opinion, and spewing it with
> hate and vigor over public airwaves in not just as undignified way, but a
> harmful way. And if you for one minute think that this kind of method
> doesn't cause others to rise up and harm others, then there is no use even
> opening your posts anymore.
>
> As Lori has stated, you have made this a moot discussion because all you
> seem to be out for is "proving" to others that you are right and you don't
> even read what others have stated.
>
> This isn't a political forum. And, since you mention it with your last
> sentence, you have been ask and even told to let it go and move on. That was
> this morning, and you are still doing your best to keep it alive and
> flaming. As to the last option, if you choose it, don't let the garden gate
> hit you in the butt on the way out, "honey".
>
> This kind of behavior is why there is no discussion on these groups
> anymore. It makes for a very hostile environment.
>
> Midnight
>
> --- In which_witch_is_witch@ <which_witch_yahoogroups. com is_witch% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@...> wrote:
> >
> > I will stand up for what I believe and if that's argumentative I can live
> > with that. I'm sorry I seem to be on the wrong side of the isle from most
> > and I know that's considered evil or what ever. I have never initiated a
> > political discussion and will not, but I will also not stand idly by and
> > watch the name calling and the attacks and not say something. I'm fine
> > dropping this or leaving either one let me know.
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Midnightwarrior" midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com midnightwarrior13
Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:16 pm (PST)
Your point was made posts and posts ago!!! I never even said I have any thoughts one way or the other about Beck. You AREN'T reading the posts! I never said that he was calling for violence. I never said that he was calling for slaughter. LISTEN to what is being stated. Take a deep breath, let your self centered emotions go, and start reading the words, not what you want them to say.
And let this damn thread die. You have twisted it into a pretzel that didn't need to be done that way.
For someone who demands that others be allowed the right to state their own opinions, you sure don't give that courtesy to others. That is ALL that has been done here by Lori or I, or anyone else. Give up the vendetta and move on!!!
Midnight
--- In which_witch_is_witch@ , Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@yahoogroups. com ...> wrote:
>
> Beck (and I'm not a huge fan) has never called for violence or the slaughter
> of millions that's kind of a HUGE difference, he presents well documented
> facts I'm sorry you don't like him, I'm sorry you find him scary and
> offensive but he has a right to do what he does, he does not call people to
> violence and says repeatedly to handle things within the system (they dn't
> show that part on media matters :( sorry) I'm trying to make a point, that
> vilifying those that disagree without first hand knowlege and having it only
> viewed though a filter of those who you agree with can be astonishingly
> destructive
>
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Re: Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:19 pm (PST)
I have no issue with others stating what ever they believe it but they need
to be able to back it up, someone wants to tell me the moon is blue, and can
provide impartial evidence to same I'm cool with it, it's this name calling
nonsense that, frankly does stick in my craw
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Midnightwarrior <
midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>
> Your point was made posts and posts ago!!! I never even said I have any
> thoughts one way or the other about Beck. You AREN'T reading the posts! I
> never said that he was calling for violence. I never said that he was
> calling for slaughter. LISTEN to what is being stated. Take a deep breath,
> let your self centered emotions go, and start reading the words, not what
> you want them to say.
>
> And let this damn thread die. You have twisted it into a pretzel that
> didn't need to be done that way.
>
> For someone who demands that others be allowed the right to state their own
> opinions, you sure don't give that courtesy to others. That is ALL that has
> been done here by Lori or I, or anyone else. Give up the vendetta and move
> on!!!
>
>
> Midnight
>
> --- In which_witch_is_witch@ <which_witch_yahoogroups. com is_witch% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@...> wrote:
> >
> > Beck (and I'm not a huge fan) has never called for violence or the
> slaughter
> > of millions that's kind of a HUGE difference, he presents well documented
> > facts I'm sorry you don't like him, I'm sorry you find him scary and
> > offensive but he has a right to do what he does, he does not call people
> to
> > violence and says repeatedly to handle things within the system (they
> dn't
> > show that part on media matters :( sorry) I'm trying to make a point,
> that
> > vilifying those that disagree without first hand knowlege and having it
> only
> > viewed though a filter of those who you agree with can be astonishingly
> > destructive
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Midnightwarrior" midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com midnightwarrior13
Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:31 pm (PST)
Cher, can we please have this thread closed? Obviously, someone else can't let it die.
Thanks,
Midnight
--- In which_witch_is_witch@ , Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@yahoogroups. com ...> wrote:
>
> I have no issue with others stating what ever they believe it but they need
> to be able to back it up, someone wants to tell me the moon is blue, and can
> provide impartial evidence to same I'm cool with it, it's this name calling
> nonsense that, frankly does stick in my craw
>
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Re: Moderation needed.
Posted by: "Martha Dickinson" mensachickie@gmail.com mensachick529
Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:32 pm (PST)
Sigh
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Midnightwarrior <
midnightwarrior13@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>
> Cher, can we please have this thread closed? Obviously, someone else can't
> let it die.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Midnight
>
> --- In which_witch_is_witch@ <which_witch_yahoogroups. com is_witch% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> Martha Dickinson <mensachickie@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have no issue with others stating what ever they believe it but they
> need
> > to be able to back it up, someone wants to tell me the moon is blue, and
> can
> > provide impartial evidence to same I'm cool with it, it's this name
> calling
> > nonsense that, frankly does stick in my craw
> >
>
>
>
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DailyOM: Full Release
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:57 pm (PST)
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Fw: A New Issue of Wellbriety! Online Magazine
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Hello Brothers and Sisters in Wellbriety!
Welcome to a new year as supporters of the Wellbriety Movement. It is also the 12th year in which we are honored to be publishing Wellbriety! Online Magazine. We are grateful to all of you for looking at the magazine for however many years you've been on our e mail list. The Movement continues to grow and we look forward to reporting on events throughout 2011.
This issue announces a new book by Don Coyhis, founder of White Bison, Inc. and the inspiration behind the Wellbriety Movement. This short book is both a memoir and a capsule history of White Bison and the Wellbriety Movement from the 1970's onward. It's called,The Wellbriety Movement Comes of Age: The Fulfullment of Prophecy. You'll see more about this new addition to the Wellbriety family of resources in the magazine.
We are also delighted to offer an in-depth interview with Sharyl Whitehawk, Lac Courte Oreilles, about Native women's healing activities and status as we begin 2011. Sharyl faciltates a number of White Bison and Wellbriety Movement programs. We offer the interview in hopes that more Native women will take part in some of the women's programs we offer. It is a good way to begin 2011 -- The Year of Our Native Women in Healing.
You can download the issue at www.whitebison.org.
On behalf of Don Coyhis, President and Founder of White Bison, Inc., and the Wellbriety Movement,
In Wellbriety,
Richard Simonelli
Editor, Wellbriety Online Magazine
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