Messages In This Digest (14 Messages)
- 1a.
- Healing needed please! From: julie
- 1b.
- Re: Healing needed please! From: Trish Curtis
- 1c.
- Re: Healing needed please! From: Lady Nightshayde
- 2.
- Fun Friday, 7/29/2011, 12:00 pm From: 13Witches@yahoogroups.com
- 3a.
- Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation From: Storm Wynd
- 3b.
- Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation From: Lady Nightshayde
- 3c.
- Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation From: Sidhe Wolf
- 3d.
- Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation From: Sidhe Wolf
- 3e.
- Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation From: aprilandersoncharlotte@yahoo.com
- 4a.
- Do you do sacrifice animal? From: Wizard_of_Tacoma
- 4b.
- Re: Do you do sacrifice animal? From: Sidhe Wolf
- 4c.
- Re: Do you do sacrifice animal? From: Wizard of Tacoma
- 4d.
- Re: Do you do sacrifice animal? From: Sidhe Wolf
- 5.
- (no subject) From: Janine Gary
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Healing needed please!
Posted by: "julie" bubbleyum40@yahoo.com bubbleyum40
Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:26 am (PDT)
My nephew Charlie was riding in a car with his girlfriend Christine and his best friend Rob, Rob was driving and ran a stop sign, they were t-boned by my sister-in-law Julie and Charlie didn't make it. He was air lifted to Grand Rapids Hospital but the damage was to much! Everyone else is ok, just bumped and bruised.
Julie didn't even know who she had hit untill she was released from the hospital. Then she found out Charlie was dead.
My family is going to need a whole lot of healing for this and any good energy sent our way would help.
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Re: Healing needed please!
Posted by: "Trish Curtis" anartfullmind60@yahoo.com anartfullmind60
Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:52 am (PDT)
you have my prayers and the god and goddess is always with you. I iwll send you reiki and your faimly in your name
From: julie <bubbleyum40@yahoo.com >
To: 13Witches@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:26 AM
Subject: [13Witches] Healing needed please!
My nephew Charlie was riding in a car with his girlfriend Christine and his best friend Rob, Rob was driving and ran a stop sign, they were t-boned by my sister-in-law Julie and Charlie didn't make it. He was air lifted to Grand Rapids Hospital but the damage was to much! Everyone else is ok, just bumped and bruised.
Julie didn't even know who she had hit untill she was released from the hospital. Then she found out Charlie was dead.
My family is going to need a whole lot of healing for this and any good energy sent our way would help.
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Re: Healing needed please!
Posted by: "Lady Nightshayde" LadyNightshayde9@aol.com nightshayde99
Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:17 am (PDT)
Julie didn't even know who she had hit untill she was released from the hospital. Then she found out Charlie was dead.
My family is going to need a whole lot of healing for this and any good energy sent our way would help.
What an awful thing to happen. Healing energy being sent to your family.
The light of a hundred stars cannot equal the light of the Moon.
Love Each Day,
Lady Nightshayde
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Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Posted by: "Storm Wynd" stormwitch01@yahoo.com stormwitch01
Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:42 pm (PDT)
Lady Nighshayde,
Yet another scholarly work!
I thank you for the sharing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~
There are a few items I would like to include in this discussion which go to highlight the amazing misconceptions and hypocrisy of what we now know as the Old Testement and in the very core of the Coptic-Judeo-Christian religion.
From the time of Moses well into the reign of King David, there was a God (Jehova) and a Goddess (Ashera, Ashtoreth, The Matronit).
Ashera was the Goddess of Love, healing, female fertility, she protected women during childbirth and she comanded the elements of earth, air, fire and water. Ashera was known for her ability to walk on the waters. Ashera was the Goddess of the Witches of the time and is the Goddess I call upon most frequently.
Jehova was the God who represented the utltimate male. He was The Provider, The Judge, The Law Giver, The Warrior, he was the ruler of the hunt and represented male fertility.
Ashera was the "God" as mistranslated - it should have been "Goddess" who traveled with Moses and resided in the tent with the Arc of The Covenent. The Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem, where the Arc of the Covenent resided, was designed to represent the womb (etc) of Ashera and it was there that she resided.
One can see rather quickly that until JHWH was created and the Ashera Poles which were her outdoor temples, now known as stangs,where destroyed Witches were common within the Hebrew community of Palestine. After JHWH was created the communities who continued to worship Ashera were destroyed, everyone was murdered and the Ashera Poles with there ribbons, amulets and jewels where torn down. The Worship of the out of favor Goddess was one of the primary reasons why the JWHWists decided that a Witch should not be allowed to live. Today folks are still murderd in the Middle East for not worshipping the murder's God de jour!
After the destruction of the Temple, Jehova was believed to have departed the earth to wonder the heavens leaving Ashera alone to rule the earth as the Goddess. This is when the JHWHists decided that a new Male God was needed, the name of the new Jewish God is JHWH. The J represents Jehova, The first H represents He - the son of the Gods, the W represents the Goddess Ashera, the second H represents She - the daughter of the Gods.
Ask any Christian the name of their God and they will say God. God is his title, what is his name? is ask. They, as a rule, don't know. If you tell them it's JHWH they will get upset and stomp their feet and call you names. This can be risky!
Sadly it turns out that JHWH was a frankenstein creation from the gate and further he turned out to be a nasty old bastard. I know that I would not offer him a glass of wine if he walked up and said hello!
Another example of the falsehoods of the sanitised "Christian" Old and New Testements, as foisted on humanity by the Holy
Roman Emperor at the Counsel of Nicea, is the so called hidden years of
Jesus (properly pronounced as Yesus - J is always pronounced as a Y). Jesus' parents were descendants of King David, as such they were royals (Think of Charles & Diana - sort of). They could afford to go to the
Hebrew community in Elephantine Egypt when things got difficult with the Romans or whomever. In fact, Jesus grew up in Elehantine and in the local
history he is refered to as "The Magician". His magic is well known in
the area to this day.
Jesus was an Essene Jew who lived in Qumran and was a very talented magician. I suspect that Jesus and his first wife, Mary of Magdalla were both talented witches. Did you know that Mary had been a nun at a Pagan Temple prior to meeting Jesus and ended up in France to become know as "The Black Madonna"? (Surprise surprise - religious history is often different than the religions would like you to believe...)
Lastly, one may wonder why Christians and Muslims end their prayers with AMEN. When Moses, wich means "The Heir" was in line to become Pharoah, the Egytian God of the Rulers, Politicians, Priests and business people was AMUN. Moses hedged his bets by ending every prayer with a salutation to the Pagan God AMUN and it continues to this very day as AMEN. I use this truth to run away those "Christians" who ring my door bell wanting to save me from higher taxes our something - I always ask them "Save me from what?" But I rarely get a straight answer and when I do I ask the about Amen! It runs them off every time.
When one has eyes to see the truth, and ears to know the truth, and does the research, one is amazed to find out how Pagan and Witch-like the pre YHWH Jews where before the exterminations which took place in the name of YHWH.
I could write volumns from my research, but time and space prohibit such luxury.
If anyone would like to learn more please do let me know.
Brightest Blessings,
Stormy )O(
Life is a journey,
enjoy the ride ~
just avoid kissing the trail!
_____________________ _________ __
From: Lady Nightshayde <LadyNightshayde9@aol.com >
To: 13Witches@yahoogroups.com ; whisperingwitches@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: [13Witches] An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Thou Shalt Not Suffer a Witch to Live:
an Enquiry into Biblical Mistranslation
The light of a hundred stars cannot equal the light of the Moon.
Love Each Day,
Lady Nightshayde
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Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Posted by: "Lady Nightshayde" LadyNightshayde9@aol.com nightshayde99
Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:27 pm (PDT)
There are a few items I would like to include in this discussion which go to highlight the amazing misconceptions and hypocrisy of what we now know as the Old Testement and in the very core of the Coptic-Judeo-Christian religion.
I really liked what you wrote. I often wondered about the origins of 'Amen'; thanks for the great
info. Perhaps you can share more (Please??)
The light of a hundred stars cannot equal the light of the Moon.
Love Each Day,
Lady Nightshayde
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Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Posted by: "Sidhe Wolf" sidhefaolchu@gmail.com mikisidhewolf
Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:17 am (PDT)
It's by the late Alexei Kondratiev, who was a really great pagan scholar
IMHO.
BB,
Miki
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Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Posted by: "Sidhe Wolf" sidhefaolchu@gmail.com mikisidhewolf
Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:28 am (PDT)
MM Stormy,
So, my inference from your post is that you believe references to the Holy
Spirit or the Shekhinah are in fact references to Asherah? It is agreed
among biblical scholars that she was widely worshipped here and in fact
there is an archaeological site in my own town that had an Asherah Pole in
it that, being wood, long since disintegrated, and there are others with
stone. But what I understand from the bible is that YHVH was a jealous god
who permitted the worship of no others and no matriarchal or female-partner
figure was ever mentioned as being part of or allowed in the book
religions. It is acknowledged that many Israelites, particularly the women,
continued in goddess worship even after YHVH, but not that this was ever
sanctioned by him or the biblical authors. It is also considered that the
Virgin Mary was given such an exalted role in the original (Catholic) Church
to fill the place of a needed goddess figure without condoning pagan
versions thereof.
I would be interested in references and websites from which you drew your
information and conclusions, as it's something I'd be interested in gaining
more knowledge about.
BB,
Miki
On 30 July 2011 01:56, Storm Wynd <stormwitch01@yahoo.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
>
> There are a few items I would like to include in this discussion which go
> to highlight the amazing misconceptions and hypocrisy of what we now know as
> the Old Testement and in the very core of the Coptic-Judeo-Christian
> religion.
>
> From the time of Moses well into the reign of King David, there was a God
> (Jehova) and a Goddess (Ashera, Ashtoreth, The Matronit).
>
> Ashera was the Goddess of Love, healing, female fertility, she protected
> women during childbirth and she comanded the elements of earth, air, fire
> and water. Ashera was known for her ability to walk on the waters. Ashera
> was the Goddess of the Witches of the time and is the Goddess I call upon
> most frequently.
>
> Jehova was the God who represented the utltimate male. He was The Provider,
> The Judge, The Law Giver, The Warrior, he was the ruler of the hunt and
> represented male fertility.
>
> Ashera was the "God" as mistranslated - it should have been "Goddess" who
> traveled with Moses and resided in the tent with the Arc of The Covenent.
> The Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem, where the Arc of the Covenent
> resided, was designed to represent the womb (etc) of Ashera and it was there
> that she resided.
>
> One can see rather quickly that until JHWH was created and the Ashera Poles
> which were her outdoor temples, now known as stangs,where destroyed Witches
> were common within the Hebrew community of Palestine. After JHWH was created
> the communities who continued to worship Ashera were destroyed, everyone was
> murdered and the Ashera Poles with there ribbons, amulets and jewels where
> torn down. The Worship of the out of favor Goddess was one of the primary
> reasons why the JWHWists decided that a Witch should not be allowed to live.
> Today folks are still murderd in the Middle East for not worshipping the
> murder's God de jour!
>
> After the destruction of the Temple, Jehova was believed to have departed
> the earth to wonder the heavens leaving Ashera alone to rule the earth as
> the Goddess. This is when the JHWHists decided that a new Male God was
> needed, the name of the new Jewish God is JHWH. The J represents Jehova, The
> first H represents He - the son of the Gods, the W represents the Goddess
> Ashera, the second H represents She - the daughter of the Gods.
>
> Ask any Christian the name of their God and they will say God. God is his
> title, what is his name? is ask. They, as a rule, don't know. If you tell
> them it's JHWH they will get upset and stomp their feet and call you names.
> This can be risky!
>
> Sadly it turns out that JHWH was a frankenstein creation from the gate and
> further he turned out to be a nasty old bastard. I know that I would not
> offer him a glass of wine if he walked up and said hello!
>
> Another example of the falsehoods of the sanitised "Christian" Old and New
> Testements, as foisted on humanity by the Holy Roman Emperor at the Counsel
> of Nicea, is the so called hidden years of Jesus (properly pronounced as
> Yesus - J is always pronounced as a Y). Jesus' parents were descendants of
> King David, as such they were royals (Think of Charles & Diana - sort of).
> They could afford to go to the Hebrew community in Elephantine Egypt when
> things got difficult with the Romans or whomever. In fact, Jesus grew up in
> Elehantine and in the local history he is refered to as "The Magician". His
> magic is well known in the area to this day.
>
> Jesus was an Essene Jew who lived in Qumran and was a very talented
> magician. I suspect that Jesus and his first wife, Mary of Magdalla were
> both talented witches. Did you know that Mary had been a nun at a Pagan
> Temple prior to meeting Jesus and ended up in France to become know as "The
> Black Madonna"? (Surprise surprise - religious history is often different
> than the religions would like you to believe...)
>
> Lastly, one may wonder why Christians and Muslims end their prayers with
> AMEN. When Moses, wich means "The Heir" was in line to become Pharoah, the
> Egytian God of the Rulers, Politicians, Priests and business people was
> AMUN. Moses hedged his bets by ending every prayer with a salutation to the
> Pagan God AMUN and it continues to this very day as AMEN. I use this truth
> to run away those "Christians" who ring my door bell wanting to save me from
> higher taxes our something - I always ask them "Save me from what?" But I
> rarely get a straight answer and when I do I ask the about Amen! It runs
> them off every time.
>
> When one has eyes to see the truth, and ears to know the truth, and does
> the research, one is amazed to find out how Pagan and Witch-like the pre
> YHWH Jews where before the exterminations which took place in the name of
> YHWH.
>
>
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Re: An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Posted by: "aprilandersoncharlotte@yahoo.com" aprilandersoncharlotte@yahoo.com aprilandersoncharlotte
Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:13 am (PDT)
Very interesting information. I have read quite a bit myself on the rise of this god JHWH in the Middle East. It has also been said that this god originated as a mountain/fire god of a certain tribe of nomads. It is strange to me how such an insignificant deity could arise to such prominence in the world. I believe that military and government bought him to bear in an effort of human control. And there is greed...
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Subject: Re: [13Witches] An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Lady Nighshayde,
Yet another scholarly work!
I thank you for the sharing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~
There are a few items I would like to include in this discussion which go to highlight the amazing misconceptions and hypocrisy of what we now know as the Old Testement and in the very core of the Coptic-Judeo-Christian religion.
From the time of Moses well into the reign of King David, there was a God (Jehova) and a Goddess (Ashera, Ashtoreth, The Matronit).
Ashera was the Goddess of Love, healing, female fertility, she protected women during childbirth and she comanded the elements of earth, air, fire and water. Ashera was known for her ability to walk on the waters. Ashera was the Goddess of the Witches of the time and is the Goddess I call upon most frequently.
Jehova was the God who represented the utltimate male. He was The Provider, The Judge, The Law Giver, The Warrior, he was the ruler of the hunt and represented male fertility.
Ashera was the "God" as mistranslated - it should have been "Goddess" who traveled with Moses and resided in the tent with the Arc of The Covenent. The Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem, where the Arc of the Covenent resided, was designed to represent the womb (etc) of Ashera and it was there that she resided.
One can see rather quickly that until JHWH was created and the Ashera Poles which were her outdoor temples, now known as stangs,where destroyed Witches were common within the Hebrew community of Palestine. After JHWH was created the communities who continued to worship Ashera were destroyed, everyone was murdered and the Ashera Poles with there ribbons, amulets and jewels where torn down. The Worship of the out of favor Goddess was one of the primary reasons why the JWHWists decided that a Witch should not be allowed to live. Today folks are still murderd in the Middle East for not worshipping the murder's God de jour!
After the destruction of the Temple, Jehova was believed to have departed the earth to wonder the heavens leaving Ashera alone to rule the earth as the Goddess. This is when the JHWHists decided that a new Male God was needed, the name of the new Jewish God is JHWH. The J represents Jehova, The first H represents He - the son of the Gods, the W represents the Goddess Ashera, the second H represents She - the daughter of the Gods.
Ask any Christian the name of their God and they will say God. God is his title, what is his name? is ask. They, as a rule, don't know. If you tell them it's JHWH they will get upset and stomp their feet and call you names. This can be risky!
Sadly it turns out that JHWH was a frankenstein creation from the gate and further he turned out to be a nasty old bastard. I know that I would not offer him a glass of wine if he walked up and said hello!
Another example of the falsehoods of the sanitised "Christian" Old and New Testements, as foisted on humanity by the Holy
Roman Emperor at the Counsel of Nicea, is the so called hidden years of
Jesus (properly pronounced as Yesus - J is always pronounced as a Y). Jesus' parents were descendants of King David, as such they were royals (Think of Charles & Diana - sort of). They could afford to go to the
Hebrew community in Elephantine Egypt when things got difficult with the Romans or whomever. In fact, Jesus grew up in Elehantine and in the local
history he is refered to as "The Magician". His magic is well known in
the area to this day.
Jesus was an Essene Jew who lived in Qumran and was a very talented magician. I suspect that Jesus and his first wife, Mary of Magdalla were both talented witches. Did you know that Mary had been a nun at a Pagan Temple prior to meeting Jesus and ended up in France to become know as "The Black Madonna"? (Surprise surprise - religious history is often different than the religions would like you to believe...)
Lastly, one may wonder why Christians and Muslims end their prayers with AMEN. When Moses, wich means "The Heir" was in line to become Pharoah, the Egytian God of the Rulers, Politicians, Priests and business people was AMUN. Moses hedged his bets by ending every prayer with a salutation to the Pagan God AMUN and it continues to this very day as AMEN. I use this truth to run away those "Christians" who ring my door bell wanting to save me from higher taxes our something - I always ask them "Save me from what?" But I rarely get a straight answer and when I do I ask the about Amen! It runs them off every time.
When one has eyes to see the truth, and ears to know the truth, and does the research, one is amazed to find out how Pagan and Witch-like the pre YHWH Jews where before the exterminations which took place in the name of YHWH.
I could write volumns from my research, but time and space prohibit such luxury.
If anyone would like to learn more please do let me know.
Brightest Blessings,
Stormy )O(
Life is a journey,
enjoy the ride ~
just avoid kissing the trail!
_____________________ _________ __
From: Lady Nightshayde <LadyNightshayde9@aol.com >
To: 13Witches@yahoogroups.com ; whisperingwitches@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: [13Witches] An Enquiry Into Biblical Mistranslation
Thou Shalt Not Suffer a Witch to Live:
an Enquiry into Biblical Mistranslation
The light of a hundred stars cannot equal the light of the Moon.
Love Each Day,
Lady Nightshayde
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/13Witches/
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/Whispering Witches/
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/MagickalMe als/
http://groups.yahoo/group/ NightshaydesNews
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Do you do sacrifice animal?
Posted by: "Wizard_of_Tacoma" wizard_of_tacoma@yahoo.com wizard_of_tacoma
Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:57 pm (PDT)
Do you do sacrifice animal?
Animal sacrifice
Are you a vegetarian? If you are not you practice animal sacrifice.
The question of animal sacrifice, for the people the practice of form of animal sacrifice they sacrifice the animal to the gods, then they eat the animal afterwards. If you are not a vegetarian you perform animals sacrifice every time you eat on animal.. That is where the custom of saying a prayer over meal began. We say a blessing over the food we are going to eat for the sacrifice for the life that we are going to consume. In modern society we have removed ourselves from killing the animals that we eat, by hiring others to kill the animals for us. We hire a hitman every time we go to the grocery store or restaurant to buy our meet. So the next time you eat a animal understand that you are participating in animal sacrifice.
Throughout history the temple priests ate the food offered as sacrifice to the gods. You find examples of this written in Greek and Roman mythology, in Jewish Scriptures, the Christian Bible also makes reference to food sacrifices. The temple priests and priestess relied upon food offerings for their survival. Wherever there was a priest class that devoted their time solely to the service of the people, they did not have the time to do their priestly duties and also be farmers.
Plants sacrifice
Are you a vegetarian? If you are you practice Plants sacrifice, every time you eat a vegetable you also preforming a type of living sacrifice. Do you pick flowers to put on your altar? If you do you are making a plant sacrifice. In our busy world, we lose sight of where our food comes from as we have moved away from the land. We don't see the work of the farmer and how they have to harvest our food. We don't see the slaughter of the animals that we eat. Many times we don't even know the ingredients of the food that we. It makes no difference if it's animal or vegetable a life force is given up to us every time we eat. As human beings that must eat to survive be a plant or animal there is a sacrifice made by the life that we. Some would say I'm only eat vegetarian I don't eat meat so I don't kill. But the reality is that plant gave up its life for you. The world isn't all about white light and do no harm, nature teaches us to survive death is required. I'm not a farmer, so I go to the grocery store and higher the farmer to harvest my food. I hire the butcher to be my hitman so I don't have to kill the animals. It's just that I am not a hypocrite about sacrifice. Now I'm not a vegetarian any longer. I was just trying to make a point with, I was a vegetarian for five years. So I can understand both sides of the issue. Like many things for religious reasons, or moral convictions leaking into taking a very fundamental precision. And kept the pendulum too far one way or the other. With doing so we can overlook some other things we have come to accept without totally looking at the bigger picture. The main point here that should be our focus witchcraft is the craft wise and that we respect live in all its forms. Understanding there is a time to live and the time to die, death is part of life The battle for existence is hard and unforgiving, but is the only way to maintain life. Plants have sentient spirits, no less than humans or animals. Respect is the key. Life and death are a part of the cycle but I do not think we should take it for granted either.
I also understand there are some very sick people out there that do some awful sick things to animals. I don't personally kill animals for ritual, and I cannot watch in animals suffer
When I was talking about sick people I am not talking about people, into Santeria, of Voodoo religion's that animal sacrifice practises. I am talking about people that have a psychological mental illness that take personal satisfaction out of watching for animals suffer from their torture.. Then hide their activity under the mask of being a religious sacrifice. I have a friend that practices Santeria, and animal sacrifice is part of their belief, this is a completely different practice.
In Asia ,theay sacrafice waterbuffalo by hanging it,then the village cook & eat the beast.
Voodoo practices honor the animal and use it for food, after the ritual.
Native American honor an animal for it's life and death They used every part of the animal and blessed its spirit for giving up its life.
References to animal sacrifice appear in the gospels, such as the parents of Jesus sacrificing two doves (Luke 2:24).
In Judaism, animal sacrifice was practiced up to the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 C.E.. "In the Torah there are around 200 commandments dealing with animal sacrifices,"
Animal being sacrificed in South Africa's, Christian churches the London DAILY TELEGRAPH reported these events, as well as spokesmen for the Roman Catholic church in which the animal sacrifice are taking place.
Muslims will sacrifice an animal during the Festival of Sacrifice (Eid ul-Adha). Usually a sheep or goat is sacrificed then eaten during a feast,
Aztecs god Quetzalcoatl only demanded the sacrifice of animals such as snakes and butterflies.
How do you feel about animal or blood sacrifices?
How do you feel about using your own blood as a sacred object during a spiritual working?
We should never stop asking questions for fear of what the answers, may not be politically correct or might reveal the truth to be, something that our Christian neighbors may not approve of. Many religions have their mythology, dealing with human and animal sacrifice, that are revered and ingrained into tradition.
Modern practice of these faiths often finds a way to symbolically represent those sacrifices in ritual. Christians taking communion to represents the sacrifices of human flesh and blood?
There are traditions and solitary witches who do use their own blood for rituals, spells or potions. Some women using menstrual blood for various magickal purposes.. Most witches I know find the use of herbs and other substances is more than sufficient to bring necessary power to the work.
If you don't have a moral objection to eating meat, then what is the harm in cooking meat as part of a ritual?
If I was in India and saw people starving with little to eat yet and saw a cow grazing nearby, and if it had that been me starvin, old Brahma would have been cooking over a spit with some BBQ Sauce. medium rare. Think about it for a moment it is the custom in the United States on the third Thursday of November we celebrate Thanksgiving with a very large turkey over the years this has become a ritual. The turkey becomes the Thanksgiving sacrifice, it is an offering of thanksgiving to the God of Creation Who has been so benevolent to mankind. Prayer is given over the meal to thanking God for the blessings of the year.
Blessed be Wizard
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Re: Do you do sacrifice animal?
Posted by: "Sidhe Wolf" sidhefaolchu@gmail.com mikisidhewolf
Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:48 am (PDT)
Good article, Wizard. It reminds me of a friend I had some 20 years ago.
She was a vegetarian and we were not. Unfortunately she was the
self-righteous type that gave off to us constantly about our cruelty in
eating dead animals. I'd recently read a book called The Secret Life of
Plants, so one day I turned around to her and demanded to know how she
thought, for example, that a carrot felt when it was so abruptly torn out of
its warm earthen womb, or how the tomato plants felt knowing that their
babies were going to be taken before ever 'growing up' and having the chance
to reproduce themselves.
Her response was, of course, the standard one: that plants are not sentient
or, if so (as per the book), then much less so than animals or humans. I
reminded her that we *assume* they are less so, but are limited in our means
to detect that, and rely only on limited instrumentation that measures
certain factors which may or may not adequately reflect a plant's range of
sentiency. From there I told her that *all* of life is sacred and *all* of
it deserves our respect and gratitude for giving up its life to help sustain
ours.
She thought I was being 'new agey' and fanciful, and did not appreciate
having her comfort zone challenged so... end of discussion. Rather than
becoming more open minded, she later went on to become a religious fanatic
with an even greater intolerance to ideas outside a narrow range of beliefs,
so our friendship fell apart. I'd been the last of her old friends who'd
hung on as long as I did, probably because I had a bit more patience and
tolerance due to my pagan belief system, ironically enough (for her).
BB,
Miki
On 30 July 2011 08:57, Wizard_of_Tacoma <wizard_of_tacoma@yahoo.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Do you do sacrifice animal?
>
> Animal sacrifice
> Are you a vegetarian? If you are not you practice animal sacrifice.
> The question of animal sacrifice, for the people the practice of form of
> animal sacrifice they sacrifice the animal to the gods, then they eat the
> animal afterwards. If you are not a vegetarian you perform animals sacrifice
> every time you eat on animal.. That is where the custom of saying a prayer
> over meal began. We say a blessing over the food we are going to eat for the
> sacrifice for the life that we are going to consume. In modern society we
> have removed ourselves from killing the animals that we eat, by hiring
> others to kill the animals for us. We hire a hitman every time we go to the
> grocery store or restaurant to buy our meet. So the next time you eat a
> animal understand that you are participating in animal sacrifice.
>
> Throughout history the temple priests ate the food offered as sacrifice to
> the gods. You find examples of this written in Greek and Roman mythology, in
> Jewish Scriptures, the Christian Bible also makes reference to food
> sacrifices. The temple priests and priestess relied upon food offerings for
> their survival. Wherever there was a priest class that devoted their time
> solely to the service of the people, they did not have the time to do their
> priestly duties and also be farmers.
>
> Plants sacrifice
> Are you a vegetarian? If you are you practice Plants sacrifice, every time
> you eat a vegetable you also preforming a type of living sacrifice. Do you
> pick flowers to put on your altar? If you do you are making a plant
> sacrifice. In our busy world, we lose sight of where our food comes from as
> we have moved away from the land. We don't see the work of the farmer and
> how they have to harvest our food. We don't see the slaughter of the animals
> that we eat. Many times we don't even know the ingredients of the food that
> we. It makes no difference if it's animal or vegetable a life force is given
> up to us every time we eat. As human beings that must eat to survive be a
> plant or animal there is a sacrifice made by the life that we. Some would
> say I'm only eat vegetarian I don't eat meat so I don't kill. But the
> reality is that plant gave up its life for you. The world isn't all about
> white light and do no harm, nature teaches us to survive death is required.
> I'm not a farmer, so I go to the grocery store and higher the farmer to
> harvest my food. I hire the butcher to be my hitman so I don't have to kill
> the animals. It's just that I am not a hypocrite about sacrifice. Now I'm
> not a vegetarian any longer. I was just trying to make a point with, I was a
> vegetarian for five years. So I can understand both sides of the issue. Like
> many things for religious reasons, or moral convictions leaking into taking
> a very fundamental precision. And kept the pendulum too far one way or the
> other. With doing so we can overlook some other things we have come to
> accept without totally looking at the bigger picture. The main point here
> that should be our focus witchcraft is the craft wise and that we respect
> live in all its forms. Understanding there is a time to live and the time to
> die, death is part of life The battle for existence is hard and unforgiving,
> but is the only way to maintain life. Plants have sentient spirits, no less
> than humans or animals. Respect is the key. Life and death are a part of the
> cycle but I do not think we should take it for granted either.
>
> I also understand there are some very sick people out there that do some
> awful sick things to animals. I don't personally kill animals for ritual,
> and I cannot watch in animals suffer
>
> When I was talking about sick people I am not talking about people, into
> Santeria, of Voodoo religion's that animal sacrifice practises. I am talking
> about people that have a psychological mental illness that take personal
> satisfaction out of watching for animals suffer from their torture.. Then
> hide their activity under the mask of being a religious sacrifice. I have a
> friend that practices Santeria, and animal sacrifice is part of their
> belief, this is a completely different practice.
>
> In Asia ,theay sacrafice waterbuffalo by hanging it,then the village cook &
> eat the beast.
> Voodoo practices honor the animal and use it for food, after the ritual.
> Native American honor an animal for it's life and death They used every
> part of the animal and blessed its spirit for giving up its life.
>
> References to animal sacrifice appear in the gospels, such as the parents
> of Jesus sacrificing two doves (Luke 2:24).
>
> In Judaism, animal sacrifice was practiced up to the destruction of the
> Second Temple in 70 C.E.. "In the Torah there are around 200 commandments
> dealing with animal sacrifices,"
>
> Animal being sacrificed in South Africa's, Christian churches the London
> DAILY TELEGRAPH reported these events, as well as spokesmen for the Roman
> Catholic church in which the animal sacrifice are taking place.
>
> Muslims will sacrifice an animal during the Festival of Sacrifice (Eid
> ul-Adha). Usually a sheep or goat is sacrificed then eaten during a feast,
>
> Aztecs god Quetzalcoatl only demanded the sacrifice of animals such as
> snakes and butterflies.
>
> How do you feel about animal or blood sacrifices?
> How do you feel about using your own blood as a sacred object during a
> spiritual working?
>
> We should never stop asking questions for fear of what the answers, may not
> be politically correct or might reveal the truth to be, something that our
> Christian neighbors may not approve of. Many religions have their mythology,
> dealing with human and animal sacrifice, that are revered and ingrained into
> tradition.
>
> Modern practice of these faiths often finds a way to symbolically represent
> those sacrifices in ritual. Christians taking communion to represents the
> sacrifices of human flesh and blood?
>
> There are traditions and solitary witches who do use their own blood for
> rituals, spells or potions. Some women using menstrual blood for various
> magickal purposes.. Most witches I know find the use of herbs and other
> substances is more than sufficient to bring necessary power to the work.
>
> If you don't have a moral objection to eating meat, then what is the harm
> in cooking meat as part of a ritual?
> If I was in India and saw people starving with little to eat yet and saw a
> cow grazing nearby, and if it had that been me starvin, old Brahma would
> have been cooking over a spit with some BBQ Sauce. medium rare. Think about
> it for a moment it is the custom in the United States on the third Thursday
> of November we celebrate Thanksgiving with a very large turkey over the
> years this has become a ritual. The turkey becomes the Thanksgiving
> sacrifice, it is an offering of thanksgiving to the God of Creation Who has
> been so benevolent to mankind. Prayer is given over the meal to thanking God
> for the blessings of the year.
>
> Blessed be Wizard
>
>
>
- 4c.
-
Re: Do you do sacrifice animal?
Posted by: "Wizard of Tacoma" wizard_of_tacoma@yahoo.com wizard_of_tacoma
Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:06 am (PDT)
Miki I wrote this about four year ago, in response to a discussion much like the one with your friend. I posted it now as a topic of ethics.
Have a wonderful day in every way.
Blessed Be and may the Lord and Lady go with you.
A Coven devided against it self can not survive.
)0( So Mote It Be )0( Blessed be )0(
Wizard
Disclaimer:
I am dyslexic, so words can be missing or the spelling at time's can be off, in my writing. I try to keep my words and actions honest with No hidden agenda..I am one that is uncomfortable with the attention, that come from being a leader.
From: Sidhe Wolf <sidhefaolchu@gmail.com >
To: 13Witches@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [13Witches] Do you do sacrifice animal?
Good article, Wizard. It reminds me of a friend I had some 20 years ago. She was a vegetarian and we were not. Unfortunately she was the self-righteous type that gave off to us constantly about our cruelty in eating dead animals. I'd recently read a book called The Secret Life of Plants, so one day I turned around to her and demanded to know how she thought, for example, that a carrot felt when it was so abruptly torn out of its warm earthen womb, or how the tomato plants felt knowing that their babies were going to be taken before ever 'growing up' and having the chance to reproduce themselves.
Her response was, of course, the standard one: that plants are not sentient or, if so (as per the book), then much less so than animals or humans. I reminded her that we assume they are less so, but are limited in our means to detect that, and rely only on limited instrumentation that measures certain factors which may or may not adequately reflect a plant's range of sentiency. From there I told her that all of life is sacred and all of it deserves our respect and gratitude for giving up its life to help sustain ours.
She thought I was being 'new agey' and fanciful, and did not appreciate having her comfort zone challenged so... end of discussion. Rather than becoming more open minded, she later went on to become a religious fanatic with an even greater intolerance to ideas outside a narrow range of beliefs, so our friendship fell apart. I'd been the last of her old friends who'd hung on as long as I did, probably because I had a bit more patience and tolerance due to my pagan belief system, ironically enough (for her).
BB,
Miki
On 30 July 2011 08:57, Wizard_of_Tacoma <wizard_of_tacoma@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>Do you do sacrifice animal?
>
>Animal sacrifice
>Are you a vegetarian? If you are not you practice animal sacrifice.
>The question of animal sacrifice, for the people the practice of form of animal sacrifice they sacrifice the animal to the gods, then they eat the animal afterwards. If you are not a vegetarian you perform animals sacrifice every time you eat on animal.. That is where the custom of saying a prayer over meal began. We say a blessing over the food we are going to eat for the sacrifice for the life that we are going to consume. In modern society we have removed ourselves from killing the animals that we eat, by hiring others to kill the animals for us. We hire a hitman every time we go to the grocery store or restaurant to buy our meet. So the next time you eat a animal understand that you are participating in animal sacrifice.
>
>Throughout history the temple priests ate the food offered as sacrifice to the gods. You find examples of this written in Greek and Roman mythology, in Jewish Scriptures, the Christian Bible also makes reference to food sacrifices. The temple priests and priestess relied upon food offerings for their survival. Wherever there was a priest class that devoted their time solely to the service of the people, they did not have the time to do their priestly duties and also be farmers.
>
>Plants sacrifice
>Are you a vegetarian? If you are you practice Plants sacrifice, every time you eat a vegetable you also preforming a type of living sacrifice. Do you pick flowers to put on your altar? If you do you are making a plant sacrifice. In our busy world, we lose sight of where our food comes from as we have moved away from the land. We don't see the work of the farmer and how they have to harvest our food. We don't see the slaughter of the animals that we eat. Many times we don't even know the ingredients of the food that we. It makes no difference if it's animal or vegetable a life force is given up to us every time we eat. As human beings that must eat to survive be a plant or animal there is a sacrifice made by the life that we. Some would say I'm only eat vegetarian I don't eat meat so I don't kill. But the reality is that plant gave up its life for you. The world isn't all about white light and do no harm, nature teaches us to survive death is required.
I'm not a farmer, so I go to the grocery store and higher the farmer to harvest my food. I hire the butcher to be my hitman so I don't have to kill the animals. It's just that I am not a hypocrite about sacrifice. Now I'm not a vegetarian any longer. I was just trying to make a point with, I was a vegetarian for five years. So I can understand both sides of the issue. Like many things for religious reasons, or moral convictions leaking into taking a very fundamental precision. And kept the pendulum too far one way or the other. With doing so we can overlook some other things we have come to accept without totally looking at the bigger picture. The main point here that should be our focus witchcraft is the craft wise and that we respect live in all its forms. Understanding there is a time to live and the time to die, death is part of life The battle for existence is hard and unforgiving, but is the only way to maintain life. Plants have sentient spirits,
no less than humans or animals. Respect is the key. Life and death are a part of the cycle but I do not think we should take it for granted either.
>
>I also understand there are some very sick people out there that do some awful sick things to animals. I don't personally kill animals for ritual, and I cannot watch in animals suffer
>
>When I was talking about sick people I am not talking about people, into Santeria, of Voodoo religion's that animal sacrifice practises. I am talking about people that have a psychological mental illness that take personal satisfaction out of watching for animals suffer from their torture.. Then hide their activity under the mask of being a religious sacrifice. I have a friend that practices Santeria, and animal sacrifice is part of their belief, this is a completely different practice.
>
>In Asia ,theay sacrafice waterbuffalo by hanging it,then the village cook & eat the beast.
>Voodoo practices honor the animal and use it for food, after the ritual.
>Native American honor an animal for it's life and death They used every part of the animal and blessed its spirit for giving up its life.
>
>References to animal sacrifice appear in the gospels, such as the parents of Jesus sacrificing two doves (Luke 2:24).
>
>In Judaism, animal sacrifice was practiced up to the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 C.E.. "In the Torah there are around 200 commandments dealing with animal sacrifices,"
>
>Animal being sacrificed in South Africa's, Christian churches the London DAILY TELEGRAPH reported these events, as well as spokesmen for the Roman Catholic church in which the animal sacrifice are taking place.
>
>Muslims will sacrifice an animal during the Festival of Sacrifice (Eid ul-Adha). Usually a sheep or goat is sacrificed then eaten during a feast,
>
>Aztecs god Quetzalcoatl only demanded the sacrifice of animals such as snakes and butterflies.
>
>How do you feel about animal or blood sacrifices?
>How do you feel about using your own blood as a sacred object during a spiritual working?
>
>We should never stop asking questions for fear of what the answers, may not be politically correct or might reveal the truth to be, something that our Christian neighbors may not approve of. Many religions have their mythology, dealing with human and animal sacrifice, that are revered and ingrained into tradition.
>
>Modern practice of these faiths often finds a way to symbolically represent those sacrifices in ritual. Christians taking communion to represents the sacrifices of human flesh and blood?
>
>There are traditions and solitary witches who do use their own blood for rituals, spells or potions. Some women using menstrual blood for various magickal purposes.. Most witches I know find the use of herbs and other substances is more than sufficient to bring necessary power to the work.
>
>If you don't have a moral objection to eating meat, then what is the harm in cooking meat as part of a ritual?
>If I was in India and saw people starving with little to eat yet and saw a cow grazing nearby, and if it had that been me starvin, old Brahma would have been cooking over a spit with some BBQ Sauce. medium rare. Think about it for a moment it is the custom in the United States on the third Thursday of November we celebrate Thanksgiving with a very large turkey over the years this has become a ritual. The turkey becomes the Thanksgiving sacrifice, it is an offering of thanksgiving to the God of Creation Who has been so benevolent to mankind. Prayer is given over the meal to thanking God for the blessings of the year.
>
>Blessed be Wizard
>
>
- 4d.
-
Re: Do you do sacrifice animal?
Posted by: "Sidhe Wolf" sidhefaolchu@gmail.com mikisidhewolf
Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:14 am (PDT)
Thanks, Wizard. Back to you - *S*.
BB,
Miki
On 30 July 2011 12:06, Wizard of Tacoma <wizard_of_tacoma@yahoo.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Miki I wrote this about four year ago, in response to a discussion much
> like the one with your friend. I posted it now as a topic of ethics.
>
> Have a wonderful day in every way.
> Blessed Be and may the Lord and Lady go with you.
> A Coven devided against it self can not survive.
> )0( So Mote It Be )0( Blessed be )0(
> *Wizard*
>
- 5.
-
(no subject)
Posted by: "Janine Gary" j9fairiegoddess@yahoo.com j9fairiegoddess
Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:32 am (PDT)
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