sâmbătă, 30 iulie 2011

[WitchesWorkshop] Digest Number 4792

Australian Pagans, Witches + Paganism

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Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Posted by: "Gary Quinton" garyq@email.com   gq_aus

Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:03 am (PDT)



What you are asking for is tantamount to the death penalty.
If you believe that this person ought never be released, then he may as well have been shot upon conviction.
The purpose of jail ought not be revenge, or the extraction of pain - but removal from society until such time as the person can be rehabilitated and re-introduced to society. If you don't believe that is possible, then the prisoner should be executed to save his anguish and our $$.

It is enlightening to read on the Foreign Policy magazine website that Americns are calling for the Norway gunman to be nailed to a wall upside down, whereas the Norwegians are saying 'sorry, nothing would make us stoop to that level, it is enough that he has been captured. In 21 years we will assess the situation again'

GaryQ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tish
Sent: 07/29/11 10:45 PM
To: witchesworkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Please tell me ........anyone..... how another 15 years would be excessive..sheesh!!! Tish Five years' control enough for paedophile, says judge Robin Fletcher is allowed into the general community only under tight supervision. Source: Herald Sun

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Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Posted by: "Tish" deborahs23@optusnet.com.au   morticia_its_me

Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:28 am (PDT)



No Gary I am simply asking that he should be simply heavily supervised
is all. Unfortunately if you read the statistics there far and few
between with pedophiles that they are ever *really* have been
rehabilitated
as they always seem to commit the same
obnoxious crime agian when released..



All I am sying is that he should be under strict supervision is all..
again this only my meek opinion is all..



Tish




-------Original Message-------

From: Gary Quinton
Date: 30/07/2011 2:03:48 AM
To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!


What you are asking for is tantamount to the death penalty.
If you believe that this person ought never be released, then he may as well
have been shot upon conviction.
The purpose of jail ought not be revenge, or the extraction of pain - but
removal from society until such time as the person can be rehabilitated and
re-introduced to society. If you don't believe that is possible, then the
prisoner should be executed to save his anguish and our $$.

It is enlightening to read on the Foreign Policy magazine website that
Americns are calling for the Norway gunman to be nailed to a wall upside
down, whereas the Norwegians are saying 'sorry, nothing would make us stoop
to that level, it is enough that he has been captured. In 21 years we will
assess the situation again'

GaryQ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tish
Sent: 07/29/11 10:45 PM
To: witchesworkshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Please tell me ........anyone..... how another 15 years would be excessive.
sheesh!!! Tish Five years' control enough for paedophile, says judge Robin
Fletcher is allowed into the general community only under tight supervision.
Source: Herald Sun

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Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:57 pm (PDT)



Greetings Gary.

Gee the old Fletcher/Ryan chestnut again! Reluctant though I am to jump on the bandwaggon; in fact I wont, I shall comment on your statements in a general sense not just regarding Fletcher.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Quinton" <garyq@...> wrote:
>
> What you are asking for is tantamount to the death penalty.
> If you believe that this person ought never be released, then he may as well have been shot upon conviction.
> The purpose of jail ought not be revenge, or the extraction of pain - but removal from society until such time as the person can be rehabilitated and re-introduced to society. If you don't believe that is possible, then the prisoner should be executed to save his anguish and our $$.

I agree in principal with the death penalty, my big reservation is the question of whether or not the criminal justice system has the capacity to decide reliably guilt or innocence. I agree with your premise about the ideal purpose of prisons...But we don't have an ideal world and rather than rehabilitate, all to often they harden the resolve of offenders to be enemies of society. (Hells Bells I guess I am an enemy of our society too.. Yet I don't feel the need to commit crimes to express this.. Have I just shot my own argument in the foot?)

Is rehabilitation possible? Yes in some cases I believe it is, but in the majority..No Usually anyone who expresses even tacit support for the concept of a death penalty is accused of all sorts of things often the least of which is being incapable of compassion. But putting myself in the shoes of a person convicted (accurately) of some really bad act, do I want a soul destroying existence in a prison for what would seem like an eternity, or a quick release from what has most likely been a pretty crap life anyway and a hellish future? I know what my choice would be.

Bill.

>
> It is enlightening to read on the Foreign Policy magazine website that Americns are calling for the Norway gunman to be nailed to a wall upside down, whereas the Norwegians are saying 'sorry, nothing would make us stoop to that level, it is enough that he has been captured. In 21 years we will assess the situation again'
>
> GaryQ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tish
> Sent: 07/29/11 10:45 PM
> To: witchesworkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!
>
> Please tell me ........anyone..... how another 15 years would be excessive..sheesh!!! Tish Five years' control enough for paedophile, says judge Robin Fletcher is allowed into the general community only under tight supervision. Source: Herald Sun
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: News article ~ supervision Robin Fletcher!!!

Posted by: "Brock Ulfsen" brockulfsen@yahoo.com.au   brockulfsen

Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:02 am (PDT)



One advantage of keeping him alive in a box is that his mail is a
source of valuable anti- terrorist/fascist/loony intelligence for the
authorities.

...Brock.

On 30/07/2011, at 2:03 AM, Gary Quinton wrote:

> What you are asking for is tantamount to the death penalty.
> If you believe that this person ought never be released, then he may
> as well have been shot upon conviction.
> The purpose of jail ought not be revenge, or the extraction of pain
> - but removal from society until such time as the person can be
> rehabilitated and re-introduced to society. If you don't believe
> that is possible, then the prisoner should be executed to save his
> anguish and our $$.
>
> It is enlightening to read on the Foreign Policy magazine website
> that Americns are calling for the Norway gunman to be nailed to a
> wall upside down, whereas the Norwegians are saying 'sorry, nothing
> would make us stoop to that level, it is enough that he has been
> captured. In 21 years we will assess the situation again'
>
> GaryQ

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Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:13 pm (PDT)



Don't worry Graham I spend a lot of time hiding behind rocks trying to dodge the slings and arrows of those whose noses I seem to regularly put out of joint :-) Haven't resorted to a white flag yet though...Bill.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Graham <grahfurn@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reminder Bill.
>
> For anyone who is contemplating filling out a census form, just mentioning that if convenient, it can also be done online:
> http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/2011%20Census%20-%20eCensus
> and registering a pagan-specific response is worth considering I think:
> http://www.pagandash.org.au/content/
>
> Lastly, I just wuv watching these stimulating government commercials about sex'n travel...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9NdoybGJpc
>
> ... OK now it's time for me to go run and duck for cover! :)
>
> BB Graham <waving a little white flag from behind a rock>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: barbtrad <barbtrad@...>
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 29 July 2011 9:51 AM
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again
>
>
>  
> Howdy folks.
>
> Its here again. Bloody government asking impertinent questions at inconvenient times and incompetent bureaucrats threatening us with penalties should we dare to not comply. Then on top of that, we have the Pagan Dash mob thumping their drums and peddling their snake oil elixir.
>
> Be assured dear reader, the Evil Emperors that govern our sorry arses shall glean not a jot of information from any census forms visited upon the Barbarian's humble abode. As for the Pagan Dash brigade, then to them I suggest sex and travel...In short, they can rush off cavorting and rejoicing.( that's not what I really mean but I know my intemperate language upsets Tim sometimes so I shall refrain from suggesting that They (Crude word for intercourse) off.
>
> Your Jolly Old NeoPagan Friendly pal ..Bill
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again

Posted by: "barbtrad" barbtrad@yahoo.com.au   barbtrad

Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:35 pm (PDT)



Hi Simon.

Well I guess we agree on the tolerance bit. We probably all have had different experiences, but the worst intolerance I have encountered has come from neoPagans who just cannot accept the other people may identify as "Pagan" but NOT worship nature. Or adhere to any of the other newage clap trap popular with much of neopaganism. (Then to really throw them into a real tizzy, tell them you think the darling of the neo set Joseph Campbell has written the greatest load of old manure since St Thomas. Or even worse, that their revered Mr Hutton's books are no better)

When I hear the calls for acceptance and tolerance oft emerging from this or that "Pagan" organization here to lead us into the light from our world of ignorance and darkness, I often offend by suggesting they look up the definitions of these terms and ask themselves if they actually abide by them.

As for you not minding putting Pagan on the census form, hey Simon I don't have a problem with you doing that either. What I do have a big problem with is that I am told I must fill out their form or be fined. They already know who I am, where I am and a whole lot of other information about me I'm not sure I am comfortable about them having. Do they really need to have me give them that same information every few years? Yes.. thankfully the religion questions are not compulsory, neither should any of the others IMO.

Bill.

--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, Simon Goodey <simonziki@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I really don't mind putting Pagan on the census form, and being counted for my basic belief system. As a comparison to the Christian belief system I once heard that they have over 100 thousand different denominations, they all call themselves Christians but when referring to "that lot down the road, well they don't quite have it right"
> Maybe our community should learn something from this and have a little tolerance and understanding of that "Pagan group down the road" who don't do things the way you would.
> I am not being critical of anyone; this is just my point of view.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Simon
>
> From: Graham <grahfurn@...>
> To: "WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com" <WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, 29 July 2011 11:57 AM
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Re: Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again
>
>
>  
> Thanks for the reminder Bill.
>
> For anyone who is contemplating filling out a census form, just mentioning that if convenient, it can also be done online:
> http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/2011%20Census%20-%20eCensus
> and registering a pagan-specific response is worth considering I think:
> http://www.pagandash.org.au/content/
>
> Lastly, I just wuv watching these stimulating government commercials about sex'n travel...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9NdoybGJpc
>
> ... OK now it's time for me to go run and duck for cover! :)
>
> BB Graham <waving a little white flag from behind a rock>
>
> ________________________________
> From: barbtrad <barbtrad@...>
> To: WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 29 July 2011 9:51 AM
> Subject: [WitchesWorkshop] Oh for joy, for joy, 'tis census time again
>
>  
> Howdy folks.
>
> Its here again. Bloody government asking impertinent questions at inconvenient times and incompetent bureaucrats threatening us with penalties should we dare to not comply. Then on top of that, we have the Pagan Dash mob thumping their drums and peddling their snake oil elixir.
>
> Be assured dear reader, the Evil Emperors that govern our sorry arses shall glean not a jot of information from any census forms visited upon the Barbarian's humble abode. As for the Pagan Dash brigade, then to them I suggest sex and travel...In short, they can rush off cavorting and rejoicing.( that's not what I really mean but I know my intemperate language upsets Tim sometimes so I shall refrain from suggesting that They (Crude word for intercourse) off.
>
> Your Jolly Old NeoPagan Friendly pal ..Bill
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Fred Nile holds NSW hostage over school Ethics classes

Posted by: "Ozpagan" ozpagan@ozpagan.com   wwwozpagancom

Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:16 am (PDT)



Fred Nile holds NSW hostage over school Ethics classes -- the following report should be of concern to Pagan Parents.

http://www.smh.com.au/action/printArticle?id=2525012

vinum sabbati,
Tim

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Re: Fred Nile holds NSW hostage over school Ethics classes

Posted by: "Iain Pick" iainpick@me.com   iainpick

Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:36 am (PDT)



Pickup the article this morning, already forward to my friends in outrange. What happen to separation of "Church & state"? May be Fred is worried that Christens will miss out on any reasonable ethics instruction. As ex RC (or as Phillip Adams refers to us, LC), I leant my ethics outside the church.

On 30/07/2011, at 5:16 PM, Ozpagan wrote:

Fred Nile holds NSW hostage over school Ethics classes -- the following report should be of concern to Pagan Parents.

http://www.smh.com.au/action/printArticle?id=2525012

vinum sabbati,
Tim

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Witchcraft Explored - Experience the Mysteries, 8/2/2011, 7:00 pm

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Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:55 am (PDT)



Reminder from: WitchesWorkshop Yahoo! Group
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Witchcraft Explored - Experience the Mysteries
Tuesday August 2, 2011
7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
(This event repeats every week until Tuesday August 30, 2011.)
Location: Dapto, NSW

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Come and explore the mysteries. Join in the ancient dance and dance the sacred spiral. Become one with nature and learn her wisdom. Hear the words of the Goddess and the thoughts of the God. Come together to celebrate the festivals and to learn about the craft of the wise.

Join us on this journey through Witchcraft, looking at the practice of magick, spell craft, incense making, ritual, the wheel of the year and much more… culminating with an ritual celebration and feasting with the Gods.

Call Ali for more details and dates of the next course, on 042 020 8879 or email megan@shamanicspirit.com.au

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Witchcraft Explored - Experience the Mysteries, 8/9/2011, 7:00 pm

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Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:55 am (PDT)



Reminder from: WitchesWorkshop Yahoo! Group
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Witchcraft Explored - Experience the Mysteries
Tuesday August 9, 2011
7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
(This event repeats every week until Tuesday August 30, 2011.)
(The next reminder for this event will be sent in 7 days, 4 minutes.)
Location: Dapto, NSW

Notes:
Come and explore the mysteries. Join in the ancient dance and dance the sacred spiral. Become one with nature and learn her wisdom. Hear the words of the Goddess and the thoughts of the God. Come together to celebrate the festivals and to learn about the craft of the wise.

Join us on this journey through Witchcraft, looking at the practice of magick, spell craft, incense making, ritual, the wheel of the year and much more… culminating with an ritual celebration and feasting with the Gods.

Call Ali for more details and dates of the next course, on 042 020 8879 or email megan@shamanicspirit.com.au

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